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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 07:41 PM Aug 2013

White House release: Draft legislation for Authorization for Use of US Armed Forces

Authorization for the Use of United States Armed Forces

Whereas, on August 21, 2013, the Syrian government carried out a chemical Weapons attack in the suburbs of Damascus, Syria, killing more than 1,000 innocent Syrians;

Whereas these flagrant actions were in violation of international norms and the laws of War;

Whereas the United States and 188 other countries comprising 98 percent of the World’s population are parties to the Chemical Weapons Convention, which prohibits the development, production, acquisition, stockpiling or use of chemical weapons;

Whereas, in the Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2003,
Congress found that Syria’s acquisition of weapons of mass destruction threatens the security of the Middle East and the national security interests of the United States;

Whereas the United Nations Security Council, in Resolution 1540 (2004), affirmed that the proliferation of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons constitutes a threat to international peace and Security;

Whereas, the objective of the United States’ use of military force in connection with this authorization Should be to deter, disrupt, prevent, and degrade the potential for, future uses of chemical Weapons or other Weapons of mass destruction;

Whereas, the conflict in Syria will only be resolved through a negotiated political settlement, and Congress calls on all parties to the conflict in Syria to participate urgently and constructively in the Geneva process; and

Whereas, unified action by the legislative and executive branches will send a clear signal of American resolve.

SEC. _ AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES

(a) Authorization.- The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in connection with the use of Chemical Weapons or other weapons of mass destruction in the conflict in Syria in order to:

(l) prevent or deter the use or proliferation (including the transfer to terrorist groups or other state or non-state actors), within, to or from Syria, of any Weapons of mass destruction, including chemical or biological weapons or components of or materials used in such Weapons; or

(2) protect the United States and its allies and partners against the threat posed by such Weapons.

(b) War Powers Resolution Requirements.

(1) Specific Statutory Authorization Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of the War Powers Resolution.

(2) Applicability of requirements.—Nothing in this joint resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/31/1235386/-White-House-release-Draft-legislation-for-Authorization-for-Use-of-US-Armed-Forces


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White House release: Draft legislation for Authorization for Use of US Armed Forces (Original Post) ProSense Aug 2013 OP
This text seems to give the President pretty much carte blanche in Syria PoliticAverse Aug 2013 #1
No, in this statement he is actually "cool" jazzimov Aug 2013 #9
When did the US become the enforcer of international law and this time, without the backing of the neverforget Aug 2013 #2
We are the super power. like it or not. DearAbby Aug 2013 #3
We're also part of the international community. This is international law, not American law. neverforget Aug 2013 #4
We signed the international treaty, it passed Congress DearAbby Aug 2013 #5
So we get to decide which international laws are enforced without consulting or the blessing neverforget Aug 2013 #6
It is on his authority, those countries who wish to join DearAbby Aug 2013 #7
Thank you for the response. I'm happy that Obama is going to Congress for authorization but I still neverforget Aug 2013 #8
Congress also has the authority to act. ProSense Aug 2013 #10
Tell you what. When he gets the 1% to agree to pay, I will go along. If he wants the 99% to rhett o rick Aug 2013 #12
I take it he will be the first on the ground to lead by example? idwiyo Aug 2013 #11
So how do you feel about bombing Syria? nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #13
A shot across the bow won't be enough. GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #14
I didn't notice an expiration date...does this enable US military action against Syrian 'threats' HereSince1628 Sep 2013 #15

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
1. This text seems to give the President pretty much carte blanche in Syria
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 07:48 PM
Aug 2013

"authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate
in connection with the use of Chemical Weapons or other weapons of mass destruction in the conflict in Syria"

jazzimov

(1,456 posts)
9. No, in this statement he is actually "cool"
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 08:30 PM
Aug 2013

claiming that he is following the War Powers Resolution, which has been argued in the past as being unconstitutional and ignored by several Presidents in the past, including both Reagan and Clinton, with no charges being brought against any.

Technically, for the limited action that Obama is talking about he could bypass the Congress completely, as long as he told them within 48 hours and it was as limited as he requests.

But, he is requesting Congressional approval regardless. This is actually a smart move on his part.

Obama is the one who issued the "red line" ultimatum. However, it is up to the people to decide the results and/or repercussions of crossing this red line.

By doing this, he has more or less abdicated responsibility to his threat to the US Congress, which is SUPPOSED to represent the US people.

If I had my way, I would go forward with limited strikes bearing in mind that the purpose was to keep Assad from using chemical weapons rather than regime change, itself. In other words, if he can keep his regime in power, he can do so without resorting to chemical weapons - and every time we see them used we destroy factories he likes. Not to favor one side or the other, but to tell him that the use of chemical weapons won't give him any advantage. So, don't use them!

Innocent women and children will be killed. I would prefer a more surgical strike that would eliminate this, such as an assassination drone strike. But current laws don't allow that, requiring instead that innocents be killed. Perhaps those international laws should be changed in light of new technological advancements?



neverforget

(9,436 posts)
2. When did the US become the enforcer of international law and this time, without the backing of the
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 07:49 PM
Aug 2013

international community?

DearAbby

(12,461 posts)
3. We are the super power. like it or not.
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 07:54 PM
Aug 2013

I also believe Obama is speaking to the global community as he makes his case before the people. I voted for Obama, As President, I feel he deserves the respect to make his case.

neverforget

(9,436 posts)
4. We're also part of the international community. This is international law, not American law.
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 07:58 PM
Aug 2013

If the UN gave the okay to act, then that is something different but nothing of the sort has happened nor is it likely to happen. Even our closest ally the British, said no to this. Why should we enforce international law without the backing of the international community?

DearAbby

(12,461 posts)
5. We signed the international treaty, it passed Congress
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 08:04 PM
Aug 2013

it became law, we are bound by the law, to enforce the law.

neverforget

(9,436 posts)
6. So we get to decide which international laws are enforced without consulting or the blessing
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 08:06 PM
Aug 2013

of the international community?

DearAbby

(12,461 posts)
7. It is on his authority, those countries who wish to join
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 08:15 PM
Aug 2013

are welcome, at least they should stand boldly and in public in support. Again, Obama is not only talking to the American people, he is talking to the world. Lets open up a dialog, what constitutes an atrocity, do we all together repeal the treaty that was signed nearly a century ago banning the use of chemical weapons. Do we enforce that treaty? Let's have a global dialog...communicating is never a bad thing, it could lead to peace.

neverforget

(9,436 posts)
8. Thank you for the response. I'm happy that Obama is going to Congress for authorization but I still
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 08:28 PM
Aug 2013

don't think we should act without the backing of the international community. Even then, I think it's a bad idea but that's my opinion. Did you know that after we strike Syria, they will still have chemical weapons? We are going to have a limited strike aimed at degrading the delivery systems because hitting chemical weapon stockpiles with bombs has a tendency to disperse the chemicals into the air.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/28/world/middleeast/obama-syria-strike.html?_r=1&

Another concern I have is that this could spark a wider war with retaliation by Syrian forces, terrorists, Hezbollah in Lebanon, or whoever striking Israel. Israel responds and the war heats up. It's pretty easy for wars to get out of control.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
10. Congress also has the authority to act.
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 08:36 PM
Aug 2013

The British had a vote.

The U.S. Congress will vote. The Congress has the authority to act, independent of international law, in its own interest and those of its allies. It just so happens that this action does fall under the chemical weapons treaty.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
12. Tell you what. When he gets the 1% to agree to pay, I will go along. If he wants the 99% to
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 10:13 PM
Aug 2013

pay, I say fuck that shit.

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
11. I take it he will be the first on the ground to lead by example?
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 08:54 PM
Aug 2013


Actually entire Coalition Of The Willing (tm) consisting of the 4 heads of the respective countries AND every one of 404 Chairbound Internet Marines should go in to show the world how it's done!



PS Am so looking forward to see Cameron in combat gear GWB style!

GeorgeGist

(25,320 posts)
14. A shot across the bow won't be enough.
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 07:18 AM
Sep 2013
(l) prevent or deter the use or proliferation (including the transfer to terrorist groups or other state or non-state actors), within, to or from Syria, of any Weapons of mass destruction, including chemical or biological weapons or components of or materials used in such Weapons; or

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
15. I didn't notice an expiration date...does this enable US military action against Syrian 'threats'
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 07:33 AM
Sep 2013

from chemical warfare/mass destruction devices forever?

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