Kerry is meeting with Kissinger today for advice on Syria

[Oilwellian]

Secretary of State John Kerry will spend much of Wednesday meeting with senior members of the U.S. foreign policy establishment, as he attempts to press the case for U.S. engagement in Syria.

Kerry is scheduled to meet one-on-one with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger Wednesday afternoon, and address a meeting of the 25-member Foreign Affairs Policy Board Wednesday morning. On Wednesday evening, Kerry will host a dinner for FAPB members at the State Department, according to an official schedule.

Widely considered a godfather of U.S.-Russia relations, Kissinger served as Secretary of State under President Richard Nixon and President Gerald Ford. As the nation's top diplomat, he pioneered the idea of developing a détente, or cooperation based on shared interests, between the leaders of the world's two nuclear superpowers.

As the Obama administration seeks to work with Russia to craft a plan to rid Syria of chemical weapons, Kissinger could prove invaluable as both an adviser and a public ally.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/11/kerry-syria_n_3903888.html

Why are Democrats seeking advice from the war criminal largely responsible for Pinochet's brutal dictatorship?

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

1. .

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[The Link]

2. Oh fucking boy. Invaluable?!

What the fuck?

[Katashi_itto]

3. Kissinger: "You vant advice? I gives you advice...where u comes up vid dey Munich line?

I means seriously find better speechwriter. Dat terrible. Convinced no von "

[Enrique]

136. that could also be Sid Dithers

the real one, not the DU one.

[Katashi_itto]

164. :)

[Generic Other]

170. We only have the fake Sid Dithers?

Well hell that explains a lot.

[99th_Monkey]

4. There's that sulfur smell again. ~nt

[Junkdrawer]

211. A recent photo:

[99th_Monkey]

220. LOL - that's quite a likeness. nt

[Junkdrawer]

222. The Lasik Surgery had a few complications....n/t

[hootinholler]

5. Why would he do that instead of meeting with someone who has had some success in the middle east?

Like Mr Carter perhaps.

[Maedhros]

122. I really miss Philip Habbib [n/t]

[wandy]

6. Kissinger? Invaluable? This is a joke, right? nt

[SamKnause]

7. Meeting

Henry Kissinger !!!

Really ???

WTF

[Fuddnik]

8. He needs War Criminal lessons?

Vatch out for dat Ellzberg guy.

[QC]

9. Why hasn't the ground opened up and swallowed Kissinger yet? n/t

[kentuck]

10. Oh no!!!

What next?

[KittyWampus]

14. Why not do some research and find out who else Kerry has been conferring with over the years?

Of course, that would mean

#1. doing actual research
#2. involves actual facts
#3. might actually tear apart the infantile view of Kerry that is in vogue right now.

[kentuck]

27. bull fucking shit

Know it all

[HangOnKids]

31. Thank you

[NealK]

223. I second that emotion.

[cui bono]

37. Why not go ahead and post the info since you're taking up space anyway?

Of course, that would mean

#1. doing actual research
#2. involves actual facts
#3. might actually tear apart the infantile view of Kerry that is in vogue right now.

[NealK]

224. Roflmao!

[cali]

46. bwahahahahahaha. what the fuck ever.

Every day, the same group of DU'ers try to sound informed

and end up missing the whole elephant while they proclaim the one piece they're holding is the whole animal.

We don't have to be an unblemished beacon of morality to do something useful to stop an ugly situation from getting worse.

[cali]

53. oh do enlighten us. YOU are the only person on DU who knows why this meeting

with a war criminal is so important.

I bow to your brilliance. I await your explanation eagerly, kitt.

[HooptieWagon]

98. Kissinger is a Russia expert...

I bet he has lots of Moscow road maps to bolster the case for war with Syria.

[frylock]

128. do you even fucking know who Killinger is?!

[Aerows]

187. I'd act stunned

but we are back to the person that posted a 30 mile flight path, and defended the hell out of it as though it was a piece of brilliance.

[frylock]

194. honestly, i would've gone on hiatus after that rather than triple down on teh stupid..

some people just don't know when to put down the shovel.

[Aerows]

195. Amen

Some get a backhoe.

[NealK]

225. "posted a 30 mile flight path"

I don't understand that one. What is it about? Honest question, no snark.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

239. Why not enlighten us?

Also, I don't care if he met with the ghost of Gandhi. His meeting with a war criminal doesn't it make it okay.

[KittyWampus]

11. Wow, so finally DU'ers start realizing Kerry has been doing diplomacy for YEARS...

but of course it's only because the name Kissinger is involved.

The issue here, DU'ers ignore most of what's going on and only focus on crap that feeds their narrative of Obama and Kerry as warmongers or tools of the MIC complex/PNAC'ers or Israel.

Maybe if the DU'ers spouting ugly crap would have been paying attention, Kerry's diplomacy with Lavrov and Assad wouldn't be unknown.

[Comrade Grumpy]

23. Get off your high horse. You post consists of little more than insult.

And your subject line is bullshit.

And you didn't even address the topic of the thread; you just dropped in to lay a turd.

What do you think of Kerry meeting with Kissinger for support and advice? I think that meeting should have taken place at Kissinger's cell in the Hague. But it's not a perfect world.

[Katashi_itto]

35. Thats the usual from kitty

[frylock]

132. a virtual foreign policy and cartography expert

[Aerows]

191. LOL

It's like watching a genius in action.

I hope we get more instructions on flying a plane and people that should have been indicted long ago giving foreign policy advice.

[KittyWampus]

173. I have yet to see any informative post from you on any subject.

[Katashi_itto]

234. Not my problem if you have issues with your reading skills.

[KittyWampus]

172. What do you think of Kerry's diplomacy over the last few years and his entire career?

You don't even know.

That's the salient point.

You have no clue.

Except you see Kerry-Kissinger and jump on it.

[Comrade Grumpy]

184. You are good with the insults. Everything else, not so much.

How can you presume to know what I do or do not know? I mean, really.

I think I'm done wasting my time with you. Your posts are lucky to rise to the level of trollery. You and Cha and Whisp and the rest of your crew need to stay in the sandbox making mud pies.

[KittyWampus]

197. I have a journal filled with news items factually backing up my claims. You and your clique

have nothing but a broken record of jabber.

[HooptieWagon]

204. And you back up your claims with a Moscow road map.

You DO have a Grand Canyonesque credibility gap.

[Aerows]

192. Kissinger

should be in jail, or even better, hung from a yardarm for war crimes. I'm not even going to apologize for that opinion.

[mike_c]

226. uh, with both feet....

He's consulting HENRY KISSINGER for fuck's sake. The only person living, I think, who makes Dick Cheney seem warm and fuzzy. The ghoul who deliberately prolonged the Vietnam War. The engineer of decades of brutal repression in the Americas. Th "serial killer of nations" as he has been described in another thread today.

Yeah, THAT Henry Kissinger.

[Oilwellian]

28. If it looks like a duck...

[cui bono]

38. To some people the name Kissinger means something.

To you apparently not. You'd have no problem with him asking Cheney for advice either then?

[cali]

49. uh, no kitty. It's who Kissinger is that's the problem

duh. but you profess to know everything.

what the fuck ever.

[KG]

72. try '#1. doing actual research' on kissinger

[grahamhgreen]

141. Maybe if Kerry had been as adamant about prosecuting crimes here, we would listen.

[cherokeeprogressive]

188. "doing diplomacy" huh...

do be telling.

[NealK]

228. Intriguing non sequitur.

[Myrina]

12. Maybe they can swap memories from the Viet Nam adventure ....

n/t

[KoKo]

47. Well...Kerry slipped yesterday and said "Assad used Napalm on his people.."

It was in his appearance before House Committee and I thought he was just tired of giving the same presentation when he said "Napalm" instead of Sarin.

He must have had Kissinger on his mind....and the meeting already scheduled to make that kind of slip...rather than just being tired.

[jakeXT]

56. The Brits confused Assad with Saddam

With David Cameron’s shock Commons defeat on Syria sending Conservatives into disarray, it’s no surprise that Defence Secretary Philip Hammond seemed flustered on Newsnight.

However, that Mr Hammond appeared to forget who Britain had intended to strike against in Syria was even more remarkable.

The Tory minister twice referred to “ Saddam Hussein” instead of Bashar al-Assad, mixing up the Syrian leader with the former Iraqi despot who was executed in 2006 . He spoke about “deterring Saddam Hussein from further use of chemical weapons” and that “Britain should not take part in any action against Saddam Hussein”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/syria-philip-hammond-confuses-saddam-hussein-with-bashar-alassad-on-newsnight-8790892.html

[KoKo]

63. I didn't know that. Is it stress or are they all just "out of touch" with

the "current" situations facing them and flubbing up like that.

[HooptieWagon]

114. Somebody did a lousy edit job...

...when they recycled the old Iraq crib sheets.

[frylock]

133. shit, maybe that's why the vote in parliament failed!

[muriel_volestrangler]

180. There was a recent report of napalm (or similar) bombs from a plane in Syria

A BBC team inside Syria filming for Panorama has witnessed the aftermath of a fresh horrific incident - an incendiary bomb dropped on to a school playground in the north of the country - which has left scores of children with napalm-like burns over their bodies.

Eyewitnesses describe a fighter jet dropping the device, a low explosion, followed by columns of fire and smoke.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-23892594

[Jefferson23]

13. INVALUABLE as an advisor and a public ally?? I don't believe this is happening..someone

wake me up.

[Oilwellian]

15. Then there's this

Chile has been holding a week of remembrances dedicated to the 40th anniversary of the coup.

[KoKo]

67. Democracy Now has given great coverage of that "9/11" event, also.

This truly is an "In Your Face" by Kerry or whoever scheduled it.

I thought it bad enough Reid was scheduling the AUMF Vote on "9/11" before he cancelled.

This is too much.

[Raksha]

169. Thank you for this link. I needed the reminder of Pinochet's reign of terror in Chile

and Kissinger's part in it. He is indeed a war criminal, and nothing will ever change that. He has blood on his hands forever.

[Capt. Obvious]

16. Is the meeting taking place here:

[Oilwellian]

25. That would be appropriate n/t

[madinmaryland]

17. I wish people would stop posting stuff from The Onion in GD.

[Comrade Grumpy]

18. I hoped this was from The Onion. Yeah, Dr. Death as an advisor, that's the ticket.

[Cleita]

26. I thought it was at first glance, it was so outrageous,

Sadly no!

[Catherina]

19. As if things aren't bad enough, now he's meeting with Kissinger for advice?

Is this the hope part or the change part?

On second thought.. .when you're setting up an illegal aggression against a sovereign state, who better to go to for advice than Kissinger?

[Cleita]

29. I'm done with this administration.

This is beyond insulting and hurtful. It's a knife in the back to everyone who lost loved ones back then and who mourn the loss of a nation that had a more vibrant democracy than this country.

[frylock]

138. it's only a two-minute consultation on bombing the shit out of a sovereign nation!

you never really lov... oh fuck it.

[n2doc]

20. Next: Obama meets with Cheney, Rumsfeld for Advice n/t

[FiveGoodMen]

70. I'm pretty sure he's already checked that off his list

[grahamhgreen]

144. Condi moves into the spare room...

[Cleita]

21. Oh my fucking God!

The pain, misery and harm he and Nixon did to the country of my birth, Chile, on another 9/11 forty years ago has gone unpunished. But for our administration, whom I voted and supported, to even think this closet Nazi has anything constructive to add to this is beyond the pale and hurts beyond words. Why don't they just crucify every Chilean for good measure?

This is the red line that has been crossed for me. I AM SO DONE WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION!!!

[MuseRider]

161. With you, this is absolutely a slap

to so many.

I am not from Chile, in fact I am not certain I even know anyone who has been there but your post caught me and I felt your pain. This post and one above I believe. I am so sorry. This really must hurt. It hurts me for other reasons less personal. because I don't have anything else, I am just so sorry.

[Cleita]

163. You know how it hurts because of America's 9/11.

We Americans have some closure because Osama bin Laden is dead. I would rather have seen him put on trial at The Hague because I thought there was a lot to learn from him about his motives and maybe others involved but now we may never know. But at least there is some closure. Chilean people don't have that and Americans should be upset that his poisonous policies could continue to fester in other parts of the world.

[MuseRider]

167. I don't know how we can ever stop this

now. So many known, obvious and admitted criminals have been let to course through our government wrecking havoc wherever they wanted and then let go to be admired and sought after for advice. It shames me, it should shame us all.

What happened in Chile is one of the most vile examples and now we seek his advice?

I agree with you, I think what we did with Bin Laden took away a potential of valuable information if what we were told they did is the actual story. Who knows anymore? You have to watch us seek advice from the one who harmed your country. I really do not know what to say, it just boggles the mind and makes my heart ache. Many of those of us who were here in this country suspected and were aware and were against all they were doing but as it is now, there was little to nothing we could do. Our government has been running amok for a long time. I have a difficult time believing if we all knew what was going on we would always opt for bloodshed, perhaps I am wrong.

[Catherina]

240. Cleita

for justice

Chile and Argentina, Brazil, El Salvador, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Nicaragua, Uruguay, East Timor, Vietnam, Cambodia, Cyprus, Bangladesh, Angola, West Papua... his crimes will never be forgotten because the blood of hundreds of thousands screams from their graves, marked and unmarked.

Linked to every war or military policy since the early 60s. The world will never ever forget.

We will never forget.

[Cleita]

241. No we never will forget.

[Hydra]

22. Lol

Yet again, reaching out for Republican solutions to Republican created problems during a Dem Admin.

Makes perfect sense.

[FiveGoodMen]

171. "during a Dem Admin"

By now, I think we know better.

[Waiting For Everyman]

24. There's a swell idea.

Kissinger, the pre-Cheney. Maybe Kerry could summon up Nixon by seance, and consult him too.

Can Kerry really have forgotten that Kissinger dragged out ending the Viet Nam war? Has he had a brain transplant or something?

WTF

[HangOnKids]

55. Kerry Needs To Call Up Martha Mitchell

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She had the goods on Hank and she was smarter and funnier too! Just sayin'.

[Waiting For Everyman]

68. Good one, yes indeed!

If Martha had lived, a few bad guys might've done some time. She overheard all the "table conversation". Maybe that's what led her to drink. Certainly understandable.

I liked her too, Martha was fun!

[HangOnKids]

75. Here is classic MM and why she was spot on

"A pessimist is a man who thinks all women are bad. An optimist is a man who hopes they are."

Cheers Martha, you just got in too deep.

[KoKo]

58. Cheney probably suggested it. Saw Cheney was on some show over the

weekend and there was some snip of him carrying on about Obama having to act now...or something.

Every time Cheney appears I've noticed that Obama does something aggressive. Remember when he showed up at the Inauguration in the wheel chair with the black hat and overcoat and Michelle and Obama had to walk all the way down the Capitol steps to shake his hand as he departed in his black limo? I had a bad feeling about them having to go down there for a special "see off" of him when it was Obama's own inauguration and the protocol would have been for the handshake just after.

Cheney dressed the part that day...The Dark Shadow that would dog Obama...along with Kissinger it now seems. Maybe they were running Clinton, also. We just didn't know about it because there was so much going on during the Clinton years for distraction.

[Waiting For Everyman]

76. Dark Shadow is very apt.

I've often wondered if Poppy Bush wasn't running the whole shebang ever since he was CIA director. But Cheney, Kissinger, they are probably all on each other's "buddy list". They certainly think alike.

[Jackpine Radical]

61. You jumped me.

I was gonna suggest a seance with Rasputin.

[Waiting For Everyman]

104. Yep, each era seems to have a few of the same characters.

You'd think we should be done with Kissinger's influence by now though. If there were vampires, it would be guys like them... or maybe they share a hive mind or something.

(Now playing, "Sympathy for the Devil"... "please allow me to indtroduce myself..."

[Zorra]

30. Nobody gives better advice about engaging in a war than the devil himself. nt

[cui bono]

32. Okay, who's going to step up to the plate and try to defend this one?

[The Link]

36. Up thread. It's diplomacy.

[cui bono]

39. Yeah, just saw that. It's actually happening. Sadly, I'm not surprised.

*sigh*

[frylock]

140. been going on for a year blahblahblah

[cali]

51. we're just ignorant and intolerant. Kitty sets us straight.

[Skittles]

208. OH GIVE THEM TIME!!!!

they're awaiting their orders

[dballance]

33. Great, just freaking great.

As if Kerry hadn't already mastered the Colin Powell school of BS, now he's getting tutoring from Kissinger. Umm, Kerry was in Viet Nam as a sailor. You'd think he'd remember the illegal bombing Kissinger approved of for Cambodia and Laos.

[bullwinkle428]

34. Kissinger was the fucking "Khalid Sheik Mohammed" of Chile.

Wish I could take credit for that analogy; I have to give that to Charlie Pierce, who actually wrote that this morning, BEFORE this latest tidbit surfaced!

"Forty years ago, to stretch the metaphor, it was the United States who flew the airplanes into the country of Chile. Henry Kissinger, a terrorist if the word has any meaning whatsoever, was the Khalid Sheikh Muhammad of this production. Their towers took 17 years to fall. It can be argued that they are still falling.

Different things in different places."

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/

[malaise]

40. Let me think - Kissinger, 40th anniversary of Chile's 9/11

Now I scream!

[Oilwellian]

42. I know, it's almost too much to stomach n/t

[KoKo]

44. This is so OTT....it defies anything anyone could believe about Kerry that's positive.

Is this under Obama's advice or was this is own idea is what I wonder? Or, is it that Kissinger is always being consulted with by Obama Administration since the beginning.

Shadow Government Indeed.

[JEB]

41. Why not just go straight to the Devil.

I guess Pol Pot was not available.Fucking sick. Makes me feel like puking.

[xiamiam]

43. why isnt kissinger in jail?

[Hubert Flottz]

165. The same reason bush and cheney aren't in jail...

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They are all on Poppy's and Davy Rockefeller's "New World Order"/Council On Foreign Relations team of globalist 1/2%ers. They all have sold their souls, for a spot on the kingdom of the super wealthy, elitist, globalist, "Leadership" squad. The globalist leadership has no need, or respect, for our national sovereignty, or anyone else's.

David R. is getting so old that he's really pushing all his political flunkies and stooges now, in order to see all of his decades of planning and setting up of the people and things, needed for a one world government, to finally come to fruition. Mister Rockefeller and his devoted trainees like Kissinger would be so happy to see the other 99.9% of the world's population grovel and beg him for their daily bread, in his lifetime. We are almost there. Why else would the Bush crew have tried so hard to destroy the economy? Why else would the GOP have fought so hard to derail any real chance to aid a real recovery? The powers that be want to equalize the standard of living worldwide. They want to thin out the human herd with war and starvation. The subversive movers and shakers of today, want to be the "rulers of the world," just like so many insane tyrants have, back to prehistoric mankind.

http://www.cfr.org/about/membership/

Edit to add...

[tridim]

45. It must be the botox? Eh Neo-DU?

Kerry is the SOS, he meets with lots of people, both good and bad.

Next.

[Dragonfli]

79. Yes, but one would not think he would meet with one of the notorious "bad" to ADVISE him

Are you at all familiar with the astronomical amount of butchery caused by Kissinger's "advice" in the past?

The SOS has to meet with bad people like Assad in the course of his duties, we all understand this and you are not revealing the clever truth you think eludes us, but he is not supposed to be meeting with evil war criminals like Assad OR Kissinger for advice on war.

You appear to think that taking advice from bad people is a good thing and part of his job, if you can not afford to buy a clue I'll give you one for free - he is supposed to meet with the good people to outmaneuver the bad, now write that down for future clarification of why he meets both good and bad, it's not to adopt the bad as national policy the way you believe or misinformed to learn to believe.

OK NeoLib? (oh dear, that was rude, just like that NeoDU nonsense you learned from Sid and thought was as brilliant as Kissinger's sagely words.)

Next.

[HangOnKids]

115. Well you just slam dunked, grand slammed, and hit the hail Mary pass

Good job! Well done, and thank you.

[bvar22]

242. !

[Cleita]

81. The only meeting Kerry should be having is the one where he

handcuffs and arrests Kissinger as an international, political criminal, and turns him over for trial to the ICC in The Hague.

[tridim]

82. The SOS can arrest people?

Neo-freaking-DU.

[Cleita]

84. Anybody can arrest alleged criminals. It's called citizens arrest.

I would rather shoot him in the back of his head after weeks of torture like his victims died, but as a civilized person I believe he should have his day in court so justice can be served.

[tridim]

88. So you want SOS Kerry to make a citizen's arrest of Kissenger, on live TV.

My gawd, why am I even responding to this crap?

Again, Neo-Freaking-DU.

[Cleita]

96. I don't want Kerry to meet with this criminal at all and give him

any status other than at least utter scorn and at most his most deserved and overdue one way trip to The Hague. However that subtlety in my original reply to you seems to have gone over your head.

[Cali_Democrat]

101. This place is absolutely batshit crazy. n/t

[muriel_volestrangler]

182. What are you trying to say with 'neo-DU'?

Henry Kissinger being a bit of a hero to neo-conservatives, those suggesting he should be arrested for war crimes are hardly 'neo-' anything. It's long been suggested in liberal circles:

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0611-03.htm
http://www.thenation.com/article/167809/if-charles-taylor-can-be-tried-war-crimes-why-not-kissinger#

[tridim]

193. Neo-DU, where it's fun to rip Democrat John Kerry apart because of his gawd damned face.

We used to talk about progressive ideas and issues here at DU.

[Dragonfli]

227. You have an interesting fantasy life that appears to have imposed itself on this thread

We used to talk about progressive Ideas and issues here at DU without Neo-libs (or is it Neo-Cons?) like you calling progressives silly names made up by a constipated joker in need of a colonic for discussing such issues as - The progressive view that seeking council on war issues with a criminal like Kissinger is inappropriate for a United States Secretary of State and is rather shocking.

You are the only one who brought up "his face" in this thread YOU - and noted also is your simultaneous attempt to discredit and disrupt the valid discussion of this issue with your juvenile flame bait Sid label "Neo-Du" that you project interestingly enough onto Paleo-Democrats rather than the actual Neo-Duers (the New-Democrats such as yourself) whom it would more aptly describe.

YOUR weird projections and flame bait insults are what is getting in the way of the discussion of ideas and issues in this thread.

So grow up and stop with the 3 year old hissyfit name calling or get out of the way and allow the grown ups to discuss ideas and issues, you know, the things you distract from and claim to miss around here.

Neo-DU is over to the right in the BOG with all the Neo-Democrats (by the way, Neo is a prefix meaning "new&quot , the New Democrats are the lot you druel over and praise and not the old Democrats trying in this thread to discuss the issue of Kissinger's apparent influence.

The old Democrats know who the man was, and know his history and so do not view him as a fountain of sagely wisdom but rather a sewer of murderous rationalizations glorifying a militaristic vision of a "world power" with the Divine right (or is it the "manifest" destiny?) to decide the fates of other countries to further our financial "empire".

In terms you can understand - he is a bad, bad man that has killed several hundreds of children with napalm (sort of like the gas thingy but more burny) and should be viewed as a threat to innocent life.

[Cali_Democrat]

95. Oh good lord. You want Kerry to place Kissinger under citizens arrest?

[durablend]

143. Yes, rah rah rah

Or something like that.

Kerry is CLEARLY smarter than everyone in the room, right?

[arikara]

175. I've never been good with acronyms

Saw SOS and my first thought was Son of Sam. Just sayin'.

[NealK]

229. What an odd thing to say.

[jakeXT]

48. Sounds familiar "a radical Arab world will spread over into Russia before it spills over into us"

Despite being bitter enemies during the Cold War, the United States and the Soviet Union were able to develop a kind of détente – a détente that seems to be lacking even now.

“In the end, we and Russia can develop common objectives because where we clash are issues like Syria, where I believe we both should have the same objective,” Kissinger said, “which is the radicalization of the Arab world. Because a radical Arab world will spread over into Russia before it spills over into us.”

http://amanpour.blogs.cnn.com/2013/09/09/henry-kissinger-tells-cnns-christiane-amanpour-i-support-president-obama-on-syria/?hpt=hp_t2

[Cali_Democrat]

50. Where in this article does it say Kerry is specifically seeking advice on Syria from Kissinger?

[truebrit71]

54. He is meeting one-on-one with Kissinger...what are they likely to talk about? Getting new drapes?

FFS....

[Cali_Democrat]

60. There is no indication the meeting is specific to Syria. That's nothing more than an assumption.

The article also doesn't say Kerry is seeking any sort of advice on Syria

The OP is dishonest in this regard.

[truebrit71]

64. You're right the former Sec of State and the current Sec of State wouldn't talk about the NUMBER ONE

...DIPLOMATIC ISSUE...

Good grief...

[Cali_Democrat]

87. Again...

Even if they do discuss Syria, there's no indication Kerry is seeking any kind of advice on Syria from Kissinger.

This is what the OP claims.

The OP is dishonest.

[truebrit71]

89. Uh-huh...

....

[Cali_Democrat]

90. Where in the article does it say Kerry is seeking advice from Kissinger on Syria?

Nowhere.

This is dishonesty.

[truebrit71]

94. Yup, and I'm meeting with Santa Claus later on today but the subject of christmas gifts is unlikely

...to be discussed...I am much more interested in his NFL fantasy picks...

[Cali_Democrat]

105. What a terrible analogy. n/t

[truebrit71]

135. Not really. Kris Kringle is a well-known NFL fan...

....

[NealK]

232. OFFS.

You never heard about Google? Just put Kerry Kissinger (no quotes or + sign needed) and hit enter, for Christ's sake there are thousands of articles to read. Now pull that head of yours out of the sand and wake up.

[cali]

117. bwahahahahaha. yeah, that couldn't possibly be the reason

[Cali_Democrat]

127. Where in the article does it say he's seeking advice on Syria from Kissinger?

Anywhere? Anywhere? Bueller?

[cali]

157. Oy. yes, yes. with all his free time, Kerry is just getting together with

an old pal for tea crumpets.

Occam's Razor: He's meeting with the old war criminal to discuss current foreign affairs matters. Kissinger is known as a Russia expert. The day after, Kerry is due to meet with Russia's FM, Lavrov.

It's beyond ridiculous to think that he's doing anything other than discussing Syria and Russia with Kissinger.

And honestly, it's just embarrassing to see you trying to deflect.

[Cali_Democrat]

160. Says the same person who swallowed Michele Catalano's bullshit hook, line, and sinker

Again, nowhere in the article does it say Kerry is seeking advice on Syria, but YOU want me to believe it anyway?



You have absolutely no credibility. Sell that bullshit somewhere else because I ain't buying.

[cali]

196. lol you're one to talk.

You believe that the syria deal was some long strategy on the part of the admin


Not one analyst or journalist buys that.

but to believe that Kerry is meeting with Kissinger the day before he meets with Lavrov for any other reason but to discuss Russia and Syria is so batshit that you win the ODDS prize of the day.

[Cali_Democrat]

198. Michele Catalano

Hook, line, and sinker.

[cali]

200. chew on this. it's delicious.

http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10023649540

delicious. delightful. You worked hard for this, honey.

[NealK]

233. Totally agree with you, cali.

About everything you said.

[Maedhros]

123. Well, it's not a stretch to say that seeking advice from Kissinger on just about ANY topic

is a pretty damned horrific idea.

[truebrit71]

52. Okay, this has convinced me that the John Kerry we are seeing is a body-snatched pod-version of..

...the former Senator from Mass....because that guy would NEVER have said the things this guy has said, and he certainly wouldn't be getting counsel from a war criminal like Kissinger...

Talk about through the looking glass...

[avaistheone1]

109. What the hell happened to Kerry?

What a shame...

[The Link]

57. Didn't Kissinger get the Nobel Peace Prize?

[NealK]

221. Lol, yes he did and now he's wanted for war crimes in several countries!

[Jenoch]

59. Apparently I'm the only person posting here who's first reaction

at reading the headline of this thread "Kissinger? He's still alive?"

[polly7]

69. I thought he was dead too! nt.

[Catherina]

80. Dead? Clintons and Kerry just celebrated his 90th birthday calling him an "indispensable statesman”

Unfortunately, none of the dignitaries from Chile, Cambodia or East Timor could make the gala celebration.

Henry Kissinger’s 90th birthday party on Monday night at New York’s most glamorous dining room in Manhattan’s St. Regis Hotel drew an astonishing lineup of luminaries, including former secretaries of state Hillary Clinton and Condoleezza Rice, former French president Valéry Giscard D’Estaing, former chief of staff James Baker, former secretary of state Colin Powell, Gen. David Petraeus, and former defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld. Many of them, such as a visiting French dignitary fresh off a plane from Paris at the age of 103, proved that 90 is the new 30. Former president Bill Clinton, former secretary of state George Shultz, and current Secretary of State John Kerry all came to the podium to toast what Kerry called America’s “indispensable statesman,” as did as Kissinger’s two children, David and Elizabeth.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/04/john-mccain-s-surprising-toast-at-kissinger-s-90th-birthday-party.html


“Kerry,” mouthed the photographer, as a line of security guards formed a pathway under the smaller entryway. Teresa Heinz Kerry, in a white blazer, got out of a black sedan, and her husband, Secretary of State John Kerry, came around from the other side. The two walked in together with a gaggle of security and miscellaneous entourage. Just a little earlier, Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice, who once vied for the secretary-of-State gig in her own right, had arrived. Nancy Kissinger had sent the word out through her girlfriends over the weekend, “If you have jewelry, this is the night to get it out of the bank.” And they did. The Alfalfa Club dinner crowd in tiaras was the order of the night.


Hillary Clinton (third from right) arrives with Oscar de la Renta (third from left) at the St. Regis hotel in New York City on June 3. (Nina Strochlic)



Inside, guests reported, a mariachi band played, and Kissinger was regaled with a slew of speeches. Kerry called him an “indispensable statesman,” and David and Elizabeth Kissinger separately paid tribute to their dad in front of an audience that included Gen. David Petraeus, former secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, Fox News president Roger Ailes, and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

...
So, who regaled Kissinger with the best speech? “Bill Clinton, as always,” former ambassador William vanden Heuveland said. The former president was the grand finale, apparently assuring the crowd, “I’m the last speaker, so you can all kind of relax.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/04/staking-out-kissinger-s-90th-birthday-party.html

More pictures here:


http://www.wwd.com/eye/parties/henry-kissinger-at-90-6967452

[KoKo]

93. Recommend! Catherina..you've outdone yourself...this is Fasinatingly Informative....

and Revealing....

[HangOnKids]

102. Wow all those well heeled folks but the stench in that room must have been unbearable

Death smells bad.

[truebrit71]

107. I remember reading about this with much disgust and contempt...

...it just convinces me that George Carlin was absolutely spot on when he said it was all a big club, and we're NOT in it...

[Jenoch]

118. My invitation must have been lost in the mail. I own a tuxedo too, Dammit.

[Catherina]

149. I know! And I removed my tiara from the vault but it just sat there all night. Dammit. n/t

[Oilwellian]

121. Unbelievable

Thanks for posting.

[DeSwiss]

124. Bullseye, as always.

- Jesus couldn't make it. Said he'd catch-up with him, later.

[frylock]

142. fab-u-lous

[Waiting For Everyman]

158. They should all be ashamed of themselves.

The boomer-aged pols should be doubly ashamed. Isn't that sweet and cozy, how Repub and Dem, they all get along so well?

I knew this of course, but it's really gross to see it.

[Catherina]

159. That's how I felt too n/t

[Hydra]

183. Well, if we wanted a list...

Talk about a grand bunch of stroking for a happy old war criminal.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

112. apparently you didn't see his cameo in Colbert's Daft Punk dance :D

you're welcome.

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/428372/august-06-2013/stephest-colbchella--013---daft-punk-d

[Junkdrawer]

62. "I've hired you to help me start a war. It's an prestigious line of work....

with a long and glorious tradition."



No one knows how to start a war while appearing to stop it like Kissinger.

He's calling for help from the right guy.

[smokey nj]

65. That's like getting advice on child-rearing from Joan Crawford.

[HangOnKids]

111. Maybe Hank will beat Kerry with a wire hanger?

[think4yourself]

116. Oh, man!

That is perfect. Thank you.

[Octafish]

66. September 11. How apropos.

"The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves... I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go Communist due to the irresponsibility of its people." -- Henry Kissinger

Substitute "Syria" or "United States" and you get an idea of where Henry the Tech Sargeant is going with democracy.

[progressoid]

71. Oh c'mon. He has a Nobel Peace Prize too!

[Jesus Malverde]

73. Lets rehabilitate and make relevant yet another discredited republican.

What next/ Legal advice from John Yoo. Terrorist briefings from condoleeza, Maybe take Bush's lapdog Petreaus and put him in charge of an intelligence agency?!?

I hope our next President has nothing to do with Harvard, Yale or any other establishment training ground. Elizabeth Warren will be more of the same. We need someone raised and educated in the rustbelt, south or west whose allegiance is to their community and not the morally bankrupt east coast establishment.

[arikara]

74. Why not make an appointment with Cheney, Condy and Rummy too

cover all his bases. Kissinger? Sweet Jesus.

Unless Kerry wants to see what Kissinger would do so that he can do the opposite. One can dream I suppose.

[ocpagu]

77. Wow...

The humanitarian, altruist "coallition of the willing" gets each time better. Bush, Dick Cheney, Al-Qaeda, Hezzbollah, jihadists and... Henry Kissinger.

Oh, I'm sure these guys will do wonders for the peace in the Middle East...

[abelenkpe]

78. Thought for sure this must be the onion. Nt

[hobbit709]

83. The irony of this on today escapes them all.

[Oilwellian]

100. It's almost in your face n/t

[Doctor_J]

237. Maybe they had a good chuckle about Allende

This is just horrifying

[Ichingcarpenter]

85. While in Brazil, Kerry praised Kissinger

and the went to talk about the Saudi Foreign minister in a prepared talk.

I thought now... why isn't he talking about great Brazilians or South americans to his US Brazilian embassy staff? Kissinger is hated in Brazil and South America by almost all Governments and people. His remarks made me cringe.

Then at the Turkish conference in Washington DC he called out Richard Armitage who was in the audience, for his honesty. The one that outed Valerie Plame



Don't believe me?

http://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2013/08/index.htm

Start reading. Its like three days of the condor.

[KoKo]

106. I didn't think it could get worse....but, it does. Thanks for this info....

I can't imagine how Kerry could deserve praise by his admirers over BCCI and RIGGS investigations when faced with all this.

Now, I have to suspect that Kerry was "put in charge" of that investigation for a purpose.
What better way to control the information than to put someone like Kerry (at that time) in charge to control what came out or was revealed from the investigation. I did read somewhere awhile back that Kerry got some criticism for not following up further on BCCI...but, I didn't pay attention to it because that was during the Campaign in '04 and I was working on the election (Anybody but Bush) and think I thought it was just some kind of Swift Boat Thing planted by the RW...so didn't pay that much attention.

[Ichingcarpenter]

146. I do know this it was a lost opportunity

to nail them all on Riggs and Iran Contra.
I don't know about the rest of your supposition but will consider it only after research.

[KoKo]

156. Agree, as I said, I thought at time it was just more Swift Boat stuff.

but now I wonder.

[ocpagu]

110. I have the feeling that Kerry was sent with the deliberate intention of picking onthe Brazilian gov.

There's no other explanation for him coming to Brazil to say, at our faces, that the US government will continue to spy on us because it is for our own good.

And then, he starts praising Kissinger, who supported the Brazilian dictatorship and training Brazilian military and death squads on torture techniques... right after meeting the president of Brazil, Dilma Rousseff, who happened to be a member of the armed resistance opposing such dictatorship and was arrested and tortured by them.

Really. Either he is almost as stupid as Bush or he really intended to insult the Brazilian president.

[KoKo]

119. And...remember NSA revelations of our spying on whole Brazilian Government

that came out before the G20 and Obama had to face her questions and was late to the G20 State Dinner.

[ocpagu]

126. Yep.

Apparently, she didn't fall for that...

http://www.ebc.com.br/english/2013/09/brazil-says-us-explanations-on-espionage-are-false

[Catherina]

129. Are you serious? Unbelievable

Do you have any links please? I like to file this stuff

[ocpagu]

150. I'll look for links in English...

Meanwhile there are these:

http://ultimosegundo.ig.com.br/mundo/2013-08-13/esperamos-que-entendam-e-aceitem-disse-kerry-sobre-espionagem-dos-eua.html

"We hope that Brazil understands and accepts, says Kerry about US espionage"

http://www.vermelho.org.br/noticia.php?id_secao=1&id_noticia=221147

"John Kerry says the US will continue to spy on Brazil and the world"

http://noticias.terra.com.br/brasil/apesar-de-pedido-de-patriota-kerry-diz-que-eua-manterao-espionagem,8cf404f3a6870410VgnVCM4000009bcceb0aRCRD.html

"Despite Patriota request, Kerry says US will continue with spying programs"

http://horadopovo.com.br/2013/08Ago/3178-16-08-2013/P3/pag3a.htm

"To Kerry, Brazil should be grateful for US spying"

[Catherina]

162. Thanks, these are perfect. "Brazil should be grateful" !!

copying them to have them in my journal too

http://ultimosegundo.ig.com.br/mundo/2013-08-13/esperamos-que-entendam-e-aceitem-disse-kerry-sobre-espionagem-dos-eua.html

"We hope that Brazil understands and accepts, says Kerry about US espionage"

http://www.vermelho.org.br/noticia.php?id_secao=1&id_noticia=221147

"John Kerry says the US will continue to spy on Brazil and the world"

http://noticias.terra.com.br/brasil/apesar-de-pedido-de-patriota-kerry-diz-que-eua-manterao-espionagem,8cf404f3a6870410VgnVCM4000009bcceb0aRCRD.html

"Despite Patriota request, Kerry says US will continue with spying programs"

http://horadopovo.com.br/2013/08Ago/3178-16-08-2013/P3/pag3a.htm

"To Kerry, Brazil should be grateful for US spying"

[KoKo]

185. ...Should be Grateful...the answer of those who have "other agenda's?"

The "Interpretation is the Thing."

Native Americans in the USA...thought they should be GRATEFUL for TREATIES with USA...and on and on and on.

How did THAT work out?

[Catherina]

125. wow

[snappyturtle]

86. The soap opera from hell continues! It is the first sentence in

the OP that freaks me out:

Secretary of State John Kerry will spend much of Wednesday meeting with senior members of the U.S. foreign policy establishment, as he attempts to press the case for U.S. engagement in Syria.

By God by hook or by crook (no pun intended) TPTB are going to get their war....tick, tick, tick.....

[Jamastiene]

91. You mean this is NOT from The Onion?

[FarCenter]

92. Kerry is consulting with Kissinger on how to manage a President who's gone off the reservation

Nixon in China, Reagan in Iceland, and Obama in Russia?

Are we dealing with another president who is freelancing diplomacy at odds with the official foreign affairs establishment in Washington?

[Junkdrawer]

99. I've subscribed to the split camp theory re: Syria....

The President/Dempsey want to use covert mercenaries/cruise missiles/drones, Rice/Kerry/Powers want a full scale invasion.

[FarCenter]

134. Rice and Powers are definitely in the regime change with boots on the ground camp.

McKeon was getting a briefing from Sec. Kerry, Susan Rice, Sec. Hagel, Gen. Clapper, Gen Dempsey, all the top people, and a member asked about the Russian proposal. Susan Rice jumped on it saying I was at the UN for 2.5 years and I tried dealing with these people saying it is impossible to do and Sec. Kerry pooh-poohed it saying we will get nothing out of them. When McKeon left the meeting found out that while they were telling him that, the President was saying, “Ooh, this is a great idea!”

http://radio.foxnews.com/2013/09/11/audio-buckmckeon-putin-put-a-hook-on-a-line-obama-swallowed-it-and-now-puttin-is-jerking-him-around-syria/

McKeon said essentially the same thing when interviewed after Obama's speech -- possibly on Bloomberg TV?

I'm thinking maybe McDonough, Chief of Staff, and Brennan, Director of the CIA, are with the President?

[Egalitarian Thug]

97. This ought to fix any irony deficiencies suffered by DUers. n/t

[totodeinhere]

103. Oh great. Now we're consulting with war criminals. n/t

[a la izquierda]

108. Oh good.

On the 40th anniversary of Kissinger's triumph in Chile.

The more things change...

[truebluegreen]

113. 40 years after, this is where we are?

Another fucking war criminal wants to help.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

120. Want advice on war? Consult a war criminal? Hawks of a feather....

[Laughing Mirror]

130. The Godfather!

Where's the Exorcist when you need him?

[Owl]

131. Ugh.

[DeSwiss]

137. ''Kissinger could prove invaluable as both an adviser and a public ally.''

- He would be absolutely priceless as an inmate serving a life sentence.....

[grahamhgreen]

139. HAHAHAHAHAHA! The war hawks make me cry. Pathetic.

[Crimson76]

145. I am literally making sigh noises and having face contortions reading this.

[durablend]

147. Where's the rest of the cheerleaders?

I mean SURELY you can pat Obama on the back for this too, right?

(yeah baby, outsmarted all those unserious far left hippies!)

[ocpagu]

154. They are waiting for the WH press release to find out what's their opinion on the subject. n/t

[whatchamacallit]

148. Maybe he could talk to Ollie North next. n/t

[JDPriestly]

151. Good question. I read one of Kissinger's early books long ago in college. It was so disgusting

I had trouble reading it. Uggh! I do not ordinarily use epithets like this but quite frankly in my opinion, Kissinger is a creep. An ugly toad of a creep. And his looks reflect his thoughts. What a mean, mean man. What a creep.

You won't hear that kind of thing from me very often, but I have read Kissinger's basic theories and I think they are worthless.

[indepat]

152. Just love it when the administration seeks the advice of virulent right-wing

zealots, chicken-hawks, and/or other RW chicken-shit pieces of crap.

[woo me with science]

153. "Peace brokering administration" didn't last long.

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[Skittles]

236. Kissinger is being consulted regarding Kerry's "dickish offer"

[G_j]

155. perfect

and of course Kerry is unaware of Kissinger's criminal past...

[quinnox]

166. Let me guess, he is advocating bombing

Jesus, John Kerry just sinks lower and lower. Why doesn't he just ask Condoleeza Rice what she thinks next.

[kath]

168. OMFG. Is this from The Onion??

[Marrah_G]

174. ~facepalm~

[muriel_volestrangler]

177. This is how Kissinger should be treated:

An interview by Jeremy Paxman in 1999:

He then moved in for the kill, accusing Dr Kissinger of trying to "rewrite history", deriding his claim to have helped to end the Cold War and criticising America's support for General Augusto Pinochet, the former Chilean dictator.
...
Noting that he received the Nobel peace prize for negotiating an Indo- Chinese settlement in 1973, Mr Paxman asked: "Was there any part of you that felt a fraud in accepting it?" "A what?" spluttered Dr Kissinger.

Mr Paxman referred to a huge loss of life as a result of America's subsequent bombing of Cambodia. Dr Kissinger said: "That's absolutely untrue. There's not the slightest evidence of tens of thousands of people being killed ... this is absolutely outrageous nonsense."

When Mr Paxman called the bombing campaign "a secret operation against a neutral country", Dr Kissinger lost his rag. "Come on, Mr Paxman, this is 15 years or more back, and you at least have the ability to educate yourself and not lie on your own programme," he said. "You are accusing me of a lot of things here that are simply outrageous."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/kissinger-fury-at-paxman-grilling-1103140.html

[Tveil]

214. Kissinger sucks n/t

[PoliticAverse]

178. And on the anniversary of Chile's 9/11 even... n/t

[roamer65]

179. Kissinger and Cheney

Two men who absolutely fear death.

They know what's waiting for them.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

181. Why? Wasn't Cheney available?

[2banon]

186. This is soo beyond disgusting..

It occurs to me that even Obama is too young to remember/know what evil scum Kissenger is.. but Kerry KNOWS.

[PADemD]

189. The Trials of Henry Kissinger - Documentary by Christopher Hitchens & Alex Gibney

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-trials-of-henry-kissinger/

[fujiyama]

199. Thanks for the link

I'm gonna watch that tonight.

[PADemD]

202. I watched the documentary.

Now I'm worried.

[Autumn]

190. If only Jimmy Carter were alive he could ask him for advice about the Middle East.

He had some success there.







Wait!!!! He's alive!!!!

[ProSense]

217. Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023376656

[Autumn]

219. I doubt he asked for advice on the current situation in Syria in July

[Uncle Joe]

201. I hope they don't bomb Cambodia.

Thanks for the thread,

[Safetykitten]

203. "You see, Mr. Kerry, this is how you lie. Now with me...."

[blm]

205. So all the FAPB are attending and, of course, expect the usual spin that

Kissinger is most special from corpmedia.

I'm pretty sure Kerry knows a helluva lot more than Kissinger, but, the corpmedia can't help themselves.

[Skittles]

206. OMG

I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE AN ONION ARTICLE!!!

[ancianita]

207. Kissinger should not be part of any foreign policy 'establishment.' He should be dead

to the people of this country.

[mike_c]

209. learning from the best....

Why is Kissinger still walking the planet? Is he still lucid, or do they prop him up and interpret the future from the way his drool drips?

[dotymed]

210. The system is broken.

WE must get off our asses and fix it....or continue to suffer.

IMO, we should immediately start planning what each of us will do to make America a fair "for the people" Democracy.
Capitalism (MIC) has replaced Democracy and it seems that "our" government doesn't care. WE DO.

We must mobilize. Are there any established Progressive leaders ready to head a movement?

Will Sanders, Warren, Grayson....whomever, say "follow me, we are going to fix this mess outside of this already broken system?

Working from the inside seems to corrupt more than help. I believe this is the point where we take to the streets.

Kissinger is evil incarnate but that is far from being the pressing matter we are responsible to fix if we want a world that is
just. Soon we won't even have a world.

[ProSense]

212. Putin is a huge Kissinger fan

Kerry Consults Kissinger on Getting to Yes With Russians
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023649540

[IDemo]

213. Coming up - a seance with the ghost of Milton Friedman

on how best to pursue economic development in Syria.

[HooptieWagon]

215. The only thing more disgusting than Kissinger advising Kerry...

is the DUers defending it. Seriously...are you people that ignorant of history? Try picking up a book instead of mindlessly cheering every move of the Adm.

[2naSalit]

231. OR... they could

watch this...

[NealK]

235. +1000!

[Lint Head]

216. Kissinger please disappear and you know what I mean!

[Doctor_J]

218. Seems like the admin doesn't like the advice they get from Dems

I wonder if Cheney is advising Hagel

[2naSalit]

230. Okay...

Now I know I'm not imagining things. This stinks to high heaven, wherever that is.

I suspect the agenda is back on track and we'll be headlong into another endless campaign that will ultimately finish the job of breaking this country financially and socially... just like uncle Milty mapped it out for them as author of the game plan. It's gonna take generations to bleach that stain from our carpet.

[jsr]

238. Great choice for sound advice

[woo me with science]

243. kick

[woo me with science]

244. kick