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woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 05:28 PM Sep 2013

What's the plan for the poor and middle class?

We should stop and ask that once in a while. Right now it looks downright terrifying.

There's a malignant, predatory, deliberately-hidden-from-the-public, wage-and-job-killing "free trade" agreement on the horizon, that will hand unprecedented power to global corporations at the expense of all of us.

There's also likely a new Grand Bargain on the horizon.

The cynical might even predict a new war....but it *could* be they are just having lunch.




Yes, our middle class has been hollowed out, the poor devastated. The gap between rich and poor has never been greater....and the United States is now a corporate surveillance state, with whistleblowers and journalism under attack. Yet THESE are the plans and policies in the news. No outrage, still, no bullhorns, still, for what has been done to millions of us. Just more assaults on the horizon.

It's stunning, what they get away with. Isn't it?

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What's the plan for the poor and middle class? (Original Post) woo me with science Sep 2013 OP
The plan is continue as long as any among them has any wealth left whatsoever. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #1
Wisconsin will seek estate recovery of all medicaid benefits paid on behalf of the deceased HereSince1628 Sep 2013 #45
Hamburger is expensive. Why not just go for pure pink slime? NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #49
The 'middle class' myth is unraveling leftstreet Sep 2013 #2
This is the right answer. nt TBF Sep 2013 #52
The plan is that were screwed CanonRay Sep 2013 #3
Yeap liberalmike27 Sep 2013 #22
Nothing actually. The unemployment rolls have been culled for good reports... Safetykitten Sep 2013 #4
The guy in the photo looks like Henry Kissinger. Brigid Sep 2013 #5
Look at the image URL, it IS H. K. N/T Revanchist Sep 2013 #35
I'm keen on this issue. Phlem Sep 2013 #6
Sorry, same boat Hydra Sep 2013 #19
Thanks Hydra Phlem Sep 2013 #38
K&R forestpath Sep 2013 #7
The plan: c*a*n*n*o*n* f*o*d*d*e*r* LiberalEsto Sep 2013 #8
Yep. Myrina Sep 2013 #51
I don't know what y'all are griping about. We got our pony. Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #9
The plan is donnasgirl Sep 2013 #10
where to start? dotymed Sep 2013 #21
I could not agree more donnasgirl Sep 2013 #26
I did something about it. FiveGoodMen Sep 2013 #57
I agree donnasgirl Sep 2013 #59
Not only that they get away with it, but so many choose to assist them in getting away. raouldukelives Sep 2013 #11
The GOP says Serdom and Indentured Servitude will fit in nicely! nt Cryptoad Sep 2013 #12
It's not only the GOP donnasgirl Sep 2013 #13
Just Take a look Cryptoad Sep 2013 #15
I will say donnasgirl Sep 2013 #30
All the data Cryptoad Sep 2013 #33
I am a truck driver donnasgirl Sep 2013 #36
I have no idea WTF you are talking about. Cryptoad Sep 2013 #44
I hope you read this donnasgirl Sep 2013 #54
As a surviving (barely) FDR Democrat, I cannot believe dotymed Sep 2013 #47
I have never said I blindly aggree with everything that the D's do Cryptoad Sep 2013 #48
Just take a look quakerboy Sep 2013 #64
Yes ,,,, Cryptoad Sep 2013 #66
And when we reach a place where neither of them are "more in line"? quakerboy Sep 2013 #69
Bush tax cuts for the rich RandiFan1290 Sep 2013 #67
Many Cryptoad Sep 2013 #68
And of course diverting attention from pressing domestic issues to this debacle in Syria totodeinhere Sep 2013 #14
Simply put donnasgirl Sep 2013 #27
We don't know yet, but my guess is that any plan they come up with Autumn Sep 2013 #16
Obama's been working on that for months. He'll announce he's bombing them soon.... The Link Sep 2013 #17
"The illegal we do immediately felix_numinous Sep 2013 #18
that about sizes it up florida08 Sep 2013 #55
They Can Kill Many Of Us Off However... grilled onions Sep 2013 #20
K & R AzDar Sep 2013 #23
The TPP free-trade agreement... KansDem Sep 2013 #24
Middle Class ---- EXTINCTION etherealtruth Sep 2013 #25
Deepening poverty, continued neglect. Cannon fodder. kenny blankenship Sep 2013 #28
The plan is to minimize the cost of having them while wishing them best of luck. 1-Old-Man Sep 2013 #29
Soylent Green? n/t Alkene Sep 2013 #31
It is stunning. And saddening. Especially when the 99% can't honestly respond to hiding attackers. ancianita Sep 2013 #32
Turning more of the latter into the former eridani Sep 2013 #34
The plan: serve until you die. Or is that serf? n/t winter is coming Sep 2013 #37
Trade some lip service against the NSA for... gulliver Sep 2013 #39
Consumption. Barack_America Sep 2013 #40
I don't know but I am honestly very scared for my children's future. liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #41
The plan? For us? .... "Drop. Dead!" <-- That's the plan. n/t Triana Sep 2013 #42
"But first, fight our wars and help the rich get richer. Then drop dead." FiveGoodMen Sep 2013 #58
Yes. "When we can't gain any more profit or power from your existence, then drop dead!" n/t Triana Sep 2013 #63
The plan? Enthusiast Sep 2013 #43
It's called the Grand Bargain. GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #46
The 30-year Plan is almost complete. bvar22 Sep 2013 #50
Have the working middle class and poor keep work until they fall through the cracks and die off. haele Sep 2013 #53
I adore woo with me science..always on target on what's important florida08 Sep 2013 #56
The republicon plan is paulrandfu Sep 2013 #60
The plan is titled "Culling of the Herd" Autumn Colors Sep 2013 #61
The plan for the poor and middle class has been charging full steam ahead under the four indepat Sep 2013 #62
Republican plan = Tax cut for the rich B Calm Sep 2013 #65
Who? n/t Oilwellian Sep 2013 #70
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. The plan is continue as long as any among them has any wealth left whatsoever.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 05:34 PM
Sep 2013

I mean if we play out the trends over the last thirty years, that's where we end up.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
45. Wisconsin will seek estate recovery of all medicaid benefits paid on behalf of the deceased
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 06:42 AM
Sep 2013

When there is nothing but the body, we wonder if the state will strip it of salable organs and then turn the soft tissues over to IBP for processing into pink slime to be used to stretch hamburger for public school lunches.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
49. Hamburger is expensive. Why not just go for pure pink slime?
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 10:29 AM
Sep 2013

We've got to tighten our belt buckles so Mitt can keep his LaJolla mansion staff.

leftstreet

(36,108 posts)
2. The 'middle class' myth is unraveling
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 05:36 PM
Sep 2013

The politicians can no longer count on appealing to 'TeH MidDLe ClaSS' when there isn't one

DURec

CanonRay

(14,101 posts)
3. The plan is that were screwed
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 05:39 PM
Sep 2013

it's a very simple plan, really. Figure out whatever it is the middle class needs, then pass the opposite.

 

Safetykitten

(5,162 posts)
4. Nothing actually. The unemployment rolls have been culled for good reports...
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 05:44 PM
Sep 2013

people live with relatives, Part-time is booming. People LOVE Costco and everyone should work there. Wholefoods is wonderful I hear, and we get excellent advice from the ACA parrots that LOVE them benefits...the ones THEY don't have to get, or use, or have anything to do with.

So all in all it's a excellent day in America to be shopping, iPhone fetishing and generally living it up.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
5. The guy in the photo looks like Henry Kissinger.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 05:47 PM
Sep 2013

Not a good sign. The plan for the middle class? To screw it seven ways to Sunday. What else?

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
6. I'm keen on this issue.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 05:53 PM
Sep 2013

My position was one of the 1st waves of the technology sector during the *Bush Crime Family Reign* to be off shored. And it's gotten worse ever since. I put my self through college, dotted my I's and crossed my T's, worked plenty of overtime with no extra pay. I was taking care of a family and now I scrimp and scrounge for any work. I get mostly contract work with NO benefits and I still don't have a full time job.

I've posted my outrage here and shared it with family and friends , whom are all struggling by the way, and I'm an Obama hater immediately. I just want him to "fail" because I can't stand a day with out posting my "poutrage". Never mind the fact that we haven't seen a steady stream of good paying jobs for the last 16 years. No, it's more important to call me out, call me names, tell me I have no clue, etc.... The End.

No talk about jobs, no talk about how harmful FTA's can be to the American worker, no talk about the TTP that's about to mow us over. No, it's more important to sequestered me and labeled me an Obama hater.



Guess I have no choice but to continue being the squeaky wheel. Maybe someone one some day will listen.

-p

PS. awesome post woo!

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
19. Sorry, same boat
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 07:23 PM
Sep 2013

And I can tell you with confidence that the people who call your questioning poutrage simply haven't had their turn with the system biting a chunk out of them yet.

Stay strong, and you're not alone...sadly.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
51. Yep.
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 01:19 PM
Sep 2013

And while you're away spreading freedom around the world, your house will be re-possessed, your credit rating destroyed because your bills will go unpaid, your family will need food stamps (which won't exist anymore) and IF you get back, you'll be greeted with months-long waiting lines for medical and mental care.


Yay us!?!

donnasgirl

(656 posts)
10. The plan is
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 06:35 PM
Sep 2013

For people to get off their collective asses and off our couches and do something about it, instead of sitting here and posting all is lost dam it do something about it.
I will back the people who are pro labor, Elizabeth Warren, Alan Grayson, and Bernie Sanders to name a few. STOP COMPLAINING AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
21. where to start?
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 07:38 PM
Sep 2013

We haven't made plans to do anything to guide us where we need to go. We all sit back and bitch and take it.

Let's get off the roller coaster...let us plan and follow through with a constitutional convention.
Leaders are important yet even with the few very good progressive politicians, I have not heard a "follow me," it looks like we have no choice but to bypass the system.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
57. I did something about it.
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 03:05 PM
Sep 2013

I gave money.

I talked to people.

I voted.

And the ones I gave money to, the ones I talked up, the ones I voted for, turned around and called me Professional Left, needs-to-be-drug-tested, etc, etc.

There is NOTHING we can do unless we have honest candidates to vote for.

Hint: a D by the name isn't all we need (see current White House occupant)

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
11. Not only that they get away with it, but so many choose to assist them in getting away.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 06:35 PM
Sep 2013

Instead of standing against injustice, they fund & share in the proceeds of the decimation of America as well as the world at large.
They complain "What can be done?" and then keep doing the same thing expecting different results and still refuse to accept responsibility when the same thing occurs.
The choice, the free will, is our own. For better or undeniably worse.

donnasgirl

(656 posts)
13. It's not only the GOP
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 06:57 PM
Sep 2013

Get that notion out of your head, I do not mean to be rude but it is time for some old fashioned ( Telling it like it is) if we little people do not wake up and get off the chairs all will be lost.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
15. Just Take a look
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 07:06 PM
Sep 2013

at all the policies for the last 30 years that had have raped the middle class and redistributed their wealth to the Super Rick and you find they are 99% GOP policies ... and yes we are lost until those policies are repealed and reversed , which is going to take control of Congress and the SCOTUS by the Democrats

donnasgirl

(656 posts)
30. I will say
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 08:19 PM
Sep 2013

With a certainty we will fail if we keep pointing fingers at each other, my suggestion is ( Focus) and stop being told it is one side or the other, this is why we keep losing elections and can't keep control for any length of time.

donnasgirl

(656 posts)
36. I am a truck driver
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:49 PM
Sep 2013

Here is a news flash for ya, all the data said the Democrats would win in Colorado. So much for your data.

donnasgirl

(656 posts)
54. I hope you read this
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 02:21 PM
Sep 2013

I started to say I am a truck Driver, I drive all over the country and talk to hundreds if not thousands of people every month.
I do not believe in data companies anymore and I find them to be wrong on much of their data anyway, my point is I talk to everyday people who are like me, they work for a living and are tired of being beaten down on a daily basis. The people who I speak with are Democrats, Republicans, and Independents, these same people I talk with are as sick of the crap as everybody else and want something done to straighten this mess we are in.
Cryptoad i will state for the record I am with you not against you it is just an opinion that I stated no facts or data, just what the average person is thinking and feeling, I am sick to my stomach at what people are losing, their homes their families and everything they ever worked for.
I just do not believe in either party any longer, there needs to be a new one.





















dotymed

(5,610 posts)
47. As a surviving (barely) FDR Democrat, I cannot believe
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 09:47 AM
Sep 2013

that you have not noticed that whether the politician has an "R" or "D" behind their name, doesn't matter anymore.
Yes, the Democratic platform used to be for the underprivileged.
For the last few decades, the policies that have redistributed the wealth upward has come from democrats as well as republicans. It is a corporate "I'm taking mine" ideology that knows no political boundaries.
If you haven't noticed this, them I am hard pressed to believe anything you have to say. It is very, very unfortunate but it is reality.
Even the AFL-CIO admits it as do most everyone.
Look at the "free-trade agreements of the past and the TPP currently being negotiated in secret as we speak. These were (are) not republican initiatives. They are a corporate agenda.
Sure we have the distractions of the insane tea partiers whose insanity is helping to destroy America but "our" party has been seized by the moneyed few also.
Believing(?) that it is all because of the GOP is not reality (I wish it were, it would be much easier to fight).
We often see (as is currently happening) a republican in office inventing some nasty, unconstitutional "laws". Usually after that pol is replaced by a democrat, they expand that very same law that they campaigned against.
Too bad that our dying nation is not black and white, D-vs-R, but is far from that. It is wealth-vs-every thing and everyone else.
When I read these blanket statements sometimes I want to be nasty to the poster and hopefully open their eyes. If all that has happened within the last 35 years (at least) hasn't opened your eyes, I sure can't.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
48. I have never said I blindly aggree with everything that the D's do
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 09:59 AM
Sep 2013

But I've been around long enough to look at the facts and data of the policies of the last 30 years and understand that there is one Party of our two Party System that has done more for the working folks and middle class than the other.

Suck up to the R's your want to... but don't try to piss down my legs and tell me its raining..


Something happen about 1980 that started this down this economic abyss we find ourselves in

You want to take a guess at what it is??




quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
64. Just take a look
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 04:55 AM
Sep 2013

At today's Democratic policies... they are the Republican policies of 30 years ago. (yes, this is an exaggeration. Mostly. But many points, particularly on economic policy seem to be coming straight from an old Republican playbook)

Like they say... Behind every Republican with a batshit crazy plan to destroy the world is a Democrat with a willingness to offer a compromise that only takes us half way to total destruction.

Everything's gonna keep getting worse until we get some honest politicians who are for the people. There's a few of them in the Democratic party. Can't find a single one in the Republican party. But we need a majority of them in all elected offices, not a minority in one party.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
66. Yes ,,,,
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 06:22 AM
Sep 2013

I can agree that we need more "Good" politicians. Kinda like saying ",,, everybody Loves Babies...." Like it or not,,, we have a two party system.....you best decide which one in more inline with your beliefs and work to elect more and better people !

quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
69. And when we reach a place where neither of them are "more in line"?
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 05:19 PM
Sep 2013

Sometimes its a bit like living in an abusive home. Dad wants to get drunk and will likely beat you. Mom will only verbally abuse you and maybe slap you around a bit.

Which do you vote for then?

If my perception is that opposing notables like Feinstein and McCain are basicaly the same on issue that I care about, and that we are in a true national crisis where anything less than a full success is going to doom our nations long term future, what do I do then?

I see it a lot like this.. Imagine that the US is a car pointed at the Grand Canyon. The republicans and the democrats are two drivers. The US people are sitting in the back seat. Now.. the Republicans propose to drive that car right off the edge at full speed, and promise that the free market will build a bridge to get us across. The Democrats as a whole(minus a few individuals) propose to slowly drive over the edge, assuring us that its better than flooring it off the edge, and the slower speed will make the landing less bumpy.

But either frikin way we are driving off the cliff into the grand canyon. Neither way is at all "in line" with me. So what do I do now?

RandiFan1290

(6,232 posts)
67. Bush tax cuts for the rich
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 08:01 AM
Sep 2013

NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT, and now TPP.

Not many "dems" fighting against these publicon policies.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
68. Many
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 10:09 AM
Sep 2013

but its hard to fight when you dont have control of Congress and you have to make deals with the Devil for anything you want!

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
14. And of course diverting attention from pressing domestic issues to this debacle in Syria
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 07:06 PM
Sep 2013

is all a part of the game plan. It has progressives bickering with each other when they should have many more pressing problems on their mind. And when this crisis of the moment finally fades I'm sure they'll come up with something else to throw us off track.

 

The Link

(757 posts)
17. Obama's been working on that for months. He'll announce he's bombing them soon....
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 07:12 PM
Sep 2013

to get things moving and people talking.

grilled onions

(1,957 posts)
20. They Can Kill Many Of Us Off However...
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 07:32 PM
Sep 2013

they have to keep a few around to clean toilets,mow lawns,wash limos, have around just for laughs and to keep boosting their morale by seeing how high up they are from the rest of civilization.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
24. The TPP free-trade agreement...
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 07:54 PM
Sep 2013
There's a malignant, predatory, deliberately-hidden-from-the-public, wage-and-job-killing "free trade" agreement on the horizon...

"Trans-Pacific w'erePhucked"

kenny blankenship

(15,689 posts)
28. Deepening poverty, continued neglect. Cannon fodder.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 08:17 PM
Sep 2013

No one up there is even talking about you. They're all too busy peddling your ass to various corporate patrons and planning their golf resort retirements.

ancianita

(36,055 posts)
32. It is stunning. And saddening. Especially when the 99% can't honestly respond to hiding attackers.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 08:34 PM
Sep 2013

"They" are always hiding behind politicians who've legislated a surveillance state, media who point to false 'enemies,' and lobbying front groups who legalize the shredding of social safety nets.

gulliver

(13,180 posts)
39. Trade some lip service against the NSA for...
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 11:56 PM
Sep 2013

...putting more education and stimulus in the budget, calling off the Drug War, and dismantling the human blight factory known as the prison system. Priorities.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
43. The plan?
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 05:36 AM
Sep 2013

The plan is to enact a new and improved "free" trade deal called the TPP.

There are other plans in the works. Lower corporate taxes because the US has the highest corporate taxes in the world (pffft). Reduce the regulatory burden on corporations because it stifles job creation. Lower taxes on the highest income earners because they are the job creators. Cut entitlements.

Those are a few of the plans.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
50. The 30-year Plan is almost complete.
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 01:06 PM
Sep 2013

There are just a couple of Finishing Touches left to add:

1)The Ring-to-Bind-Them, or the TPP (NAFTA on Steroids)
which is being forged "in secret" as we speak by the Representatives of the Global 1%.
NO representatives from Organized LABOR, Human Rights, Environmental Protections, Consumer Rights, Worker Protections, or Concerned Citizen Groups are "allowed" at these "secret" meetings.
President Obama is "asking" for Fast Track Authority to have this Treaty passed by an Up or Down vote with NO Amendments and NO debate,
probably after mid-night on a Friday so the betrayers of American's Working Class can slink off and hide before the sun rises.

2)The dismantling and privatizing of Social Security,
and THAT is NOW a Chip-On-the-Table for any future discussion of Budgets.

So, it is almost MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
Welcome to the New & Improved Gilded Age 2.0,
brought to you by The Republicans, and their friends and Co-Conspirators, the "Centrist" Democrats.

....because some things, only a "Democrat" can do!



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I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
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haele

(12,654 posts)
53. Have the working middle class and poor keep work until they fall through the cracks and die off.
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 02:18 PM
Sep 2013

The plan of the Plutocrats is to keep a comfortable standard of living that gives people time to expand their horizons or pursue interests other than working out of reach for anyone who has to spend more than 1/6 of their income, however great, on "bills and taxes". The idea to promote is a harsh Calvinistic view; if you work for a paycheck, you are obviously lazy or a moron, and the less you make, the less human consideration you should get. God only rewards by prosperity and power. Especially those who cheat, and live off shuffling other people's money around and taking fees off the top.
It's hard work to network and convince people to trust you to manipulate numbers and formulas with their money, you know...obviously much harder to make something appear out of thin air rather than doing something that has a physical, tangible result, because the numbers of decimals on the bottom line of the final column are so much larger than if you're making a tangible object or doing physical work.

So, the plan is to encourage workers to go into debt if they want even a little bit of modern social interaction or happiness in their lives, to make a home and have children to keep them in debt, and to work until they get sick and die. Wages are loans that need to be worked off, after all.

The cynic in me is convinced that to most of those who play in the monied circles now-a-days, workers are like any other tool - they're disposable and fungible.

Haele

florida08

(4,106 posts)
56. I adore woo with me science..always on target on what's important
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 03:02 PM
Sep 2013

Well I'll tell you the plan woo

"Don't get sick..but if you do die quickly"

But we already know this and I believe the country is coming alive. Was quite surprised to see the polls on the latest with Syria

Hope is slow but it's alive! We keep fighting the good fight. I ain't going down willingly and I know you aren't.

 

Autumn Colors

(2,379 posts)
61. The plan is titled "Culling of the Herd"
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 04:16 PM
Sep 2013

Until just enough serfs are left that are needed to serve the 1% and their interests.

Death by ....

Lack of insurance to treat illnesses
Starvation
Long-term diet of foods including GMO, meat filled with hormones and who knows what else
Reduction of regulations causing increase in air and water pollution as well as soil contamination leading to diseases ... results sped up by lack of insurance
accidental drug overdoses by destitute people trying to escape from reality
suicide by the desperate
wars created by the MIC for profit as well as culling the herd

feel free to add your own

indepat

(20,899 posts)
62. The plan for the poor and middle class has been charging full steam ahead under the four
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 04:39 PM
Sep 2013

successive administrations since the gipper foisted his voodoo economics upon us: yes, WJC's deregulation of banking et al and BHO's pending "free trade agreement," virtually unchanged tax policies, et al virtually assure full fruition of this plan and, one of these days, our society is likely to pass the tipping point and implode, perhaps never to return to a well-off and productive society. The mounting societal ills caused by this plan are rampant and clearly depicted in every measurement of quality-of-life factors due to virtually everything government should be doing to promote the general welfare is being sacrificed to feed a national security state by gorging the MIC and to enrich large corporations and the uber-wealthy at the expense of virtually all else. Only time will tell if and when our society does indeed implode. Ah, the infinite joys of living in a right-wing soused society perpetuated by a largely willfully ignorant electorate.

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