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Tweets arent necessarilyendorsements, however in this case I think its safe to assume that it is given the subject matter. Theyre pro-Snowden, after all.
Either Greenwald isnt aware of who the Oath Keepers are, or he is and approves of their message.
To barely scratch the surface, the Oath Keepers are a right wing, libertarian militia that believes wild conspiracies about the president, the U.N., gun control, and FEMA concentration camps.
The quoted section of the Southern Poverty Law Center's report on the Oathkeepers is eye-opening. Sometime, Mr. Greenwald, you don't want to revel in the fact that certain groups support what you're doing.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)You know they disagree with everything Obama does!
dionysus
(26,467 posts)DevonRex
(22,541 posts)Don't blockade a US city or put civilians in a camp run by the government. Don't help a foreign force invade the US. Don't take Americans' guns away!!!!
Batshit crazy stuff. They're all birthers. Glenn really needs to understand that these yahoos all think he's a sick, unnatural, evil person just because he's gay. Or maybe he doesn't care, like he didn't care when he worked for that Neo-Nazi Hale guy, as the group's civil attorney. They hated Jews and it didn't bother Glenn to take their money, either. Even when it got to murder. Go figure.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)Bolo Boffin
(23,796 posts)just to promote an endorsement.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)But the article, rather casually, revealed that Glenn Greenwald had been a speaker on something fatuously named The Young American Liberty Tour with three civil liberties experts, titled The War on Terrorism, Civil Liberties, and the Constitution.
Thats a lot of liberty.
The other two experts were that selfsame Bruce Fein, a weird perpetual GOP sleazeball, and Jacob Hornberger, who thinks the US was better off before the Civil War.
The real 5-alarm bell-ringer, though, was the moderator, Jack Hunter, the goddamn luchador of the losers, the Southern Avenger.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/42436_The_Convergence_of_Glenn_Greenwald_and_Rand_Pauls_Southern_Avenger
dionysus
(26,467 posts)Summer Hathaway
(2,770 posts)Greenwald Derangement Syndrome would be evident if people posted completely fabricated stories about him, attributed quotes to him that he never said, or opined on behavior he never engaged in.
When people post verifiable FACTS about the man, that is not representative of any syndrome. It is, as uncomfortable as it makes his fans, simply a matter of telling the truth.
Being that GG is attempting to make a career out of the importance of truth-telling, he shouldn't be shielded from the truth of his own words and actions - especially by his "truth-seeking" followers.
Cha
(297,233 posts)Web definitions
Dirty tricks are unethical, duplicitous, slanderous or illegal tactics employed to destroy or diminish the effectiveness of political or business opponents. ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratfucker"
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)and as I posted in the other thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014592393#post5
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)rightwing astroturf cranks?
Next thing you know, he'll be working with the Koch Brothers empire . . .
Whisp
(24,096 posts)now I see.
Takes a while to identify him from the pack of jackals he consorts with, but There He Is!
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]
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KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Response to KittyWampus (Reply #12)
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zappaman
(20,606 posts)Unreal.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Hmmm.....
dionysus
(26,467 posts)of a professional fencer...
Cha
(297,233 posts)be uttered on DU when refering to him.. lol, the intials being RF.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Kind of like sexing baby chicks
Number23
(24,544 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)dionysus
(26,467 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)The anti-authoritarians show that they're actually pretty damn authoritarian given just a taste of power.
name not needed
(11,660 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)It is more about a poster's attitude, tone and lack of respect than subject matter, outside of a few verboten positions.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)With all due respect, I think that nice Mr. Greenwald is a ratfucker.
Do I get a cookie?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)to Greenwald. Funny how you all become Miss Manners when someone disagrees with you, but free speech absolutists for those with whom you agree.
It's bullying and censorship. Any claim otherwise is a lie.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)You just don't get it or you don't care.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)your nonsense about it being against site rules to call Greenwald a ratfucker.
Your essential argument is that if you personally dislike some someone's lack of respect for someone you admire, their voice should be silenced.
Your argument is authoritarian gibberish.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)But, I was making the point that you don't seem to understand why things could be hidden as evidenced by your page.
I presumed it was random jurors that disliked the poster, until I saw the results. I have no problem with the term.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)But this was a horrible hide by Greeenwald fan people.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)then when on juries vote to hide anything you disagree with.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)I'm hoping it goes the Meta way some day as well because right now, and the hidden post in this thread is proof, it means shit all nothing - there is very little good faith left here. Because this place has become a nesting ground for hateful lies against the President, the creatures come slithering in from all over the freeper and ron pauler lands of cess and are welcomed with open arms. Banded together, they do this kind of jury duties.
Meta gave some people a venue to just blast off whatever they felt like, like a mud wrestling pit. It was quite popular and the sniff of that kind of blood, once tasted, is difficult to just leave behind. Now we see sprinkles and splotches and sometimes buckets of Meta in GD, because you can't unring that Frankenstein bell.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and a ratfucker, and no 'ratfucker' is not homophobic.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Why even say that?
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Wed Sep 11, 2013, 04:58 PM, an alert was sent on the following post:
Ratfucking is hard werk. Glenn has to eat, you know....nt
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3649417
REASON FOR ALERT:
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS:
Inappropriate homophobic slur. Especially given the fact the insulted public figure IS gay.
JURY RESULTS
A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Wed Sep 11, 2013, 05:06 PM, and voted 4-2 to HIDE IT.
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: "Ratfucking" is slang for political slander, sabotage and dirty tricks. Ironically, the comment left by the alerter is a good example of ratfucking. Greenwald is not immunized from all criticism because he is gay, and not every criticism of him is a homophobic slur.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I'm not seeing homophobia. AFAIK "ratfucking" refers to dirty tricks only.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)I think you can count a total one person on this board who, apparently, has... and four others agreeing just for the ratfuck of it.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)wouldn't be up to speed on slang...
Alerter and Jury FAIL
sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)I've got my jury black list filled with jurors that fit the "Oh that just don't sound right I better hide it" stereotype.
Just laziness on the part of the jurors and outright assholery (I think I made up a new word) on the part of the alerter.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)"Ratfucking is an American slang term for political sabotage or dirty tricks. It was first brought to public attention by Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein in their book All the President's Men."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratfucking
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)I see msanthrope has taken this to AtA. I hope the person who pulled this stunt is dealt with by the admins.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)4 jurors duped. Shame.
Number23
(24,544 posts)the alert.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)The term ratfucking is well known in American politics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratfucking
It's been used here for years without any dishonest claims about it being homophobic:
https://www.google.com/search?q=ratfucking+site:democraticunderground.com&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Go ahead and alert, closet authoritarians!
baldguy
(36,649 posts)are also the first people to silence posters who expose Greenwald's hypocrisies, stupidities, lies & blunders.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)They're not really anti-authoritarian, they're more or less far left wing authoritarians who believe in totalitarianism. The same people championing GG's anti-surveillance state views would defend countries like North Korea, Cuba, or even Russia while completely ignoring those states' actions. Wikileaks in particular has failed to release the Russian files. (And I wonder whatever happened to the leaker.)
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)So posters can shit all over Obama, but criticize Glen fucking Greenwald and the post gets hidden. What the actual fuck.
I didn't realize that a libertarian American, living in Brazil, writing for a British newspaper, is given protected status at this purportedly Democratic website.
Sid
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)because they don't fancy it.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Here's the jury on that post:
t Wed Sep 11, 2013, 04:58 PM, an alert was sent on the following post:
Ratfucking is hard werk. Glenn has to eat, you know....nt
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3649417
REASON FOR ALERT:
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS:
Inappropriate homophobic slur. Especially given the fact the insulted public figure IS gay.
JURY RESULTS
A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Wed Sep 11, 2013, 05:06 PM, and voted 4-2 to HIDE IT.
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: "Ratfucking" is slang for political slander, sabotage and dirty tricks. Ironically, the comment left by the alerter is a good example of ratfucking. Greenwald is not immunized from all criticism because he is gay, and not every criticism of him is a homophobic slur.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I'm not seeing homophobia. AFAIK "ratfucking" refers to dirty tricks only.
I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks the term "ratfucking", posted on a political messageboard, is an homophobic slur needs to get their head out of their ass, and learn some political history.
Sid
name not needed
(11,660 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)I think it has more to do with the poster and the randomly selected jury than the actual post. Jurors can vote to hide for any or no reason, including not liking a poster.
I don't think it had anything to do with Greenwald or any protected status. I'd be curious to see the results.
treestar
(82,383 posts)That shows how juvenile the jury pool has become then.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)it is that juvenile.
But it occasionally works in getting posts hidden.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)In one thread I was getting perfectly calm mannered posts hidden because of other posts that got hidden. It was a gang up. Dozens of alerts in the same thread.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)system is a complete joke--a complete lack of good faith by jurors.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)being on the receiving end of jury verdicts. Lol. New rules are coming.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Eventually I'll get to be back on juries and be free to base my vote on my feelings re: the poster and ignore the content of the actual post being alerted on.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Did you volunteer to be hall monitor in school?
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Good luck with that.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Seems clear.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)maddezmom
(135,060 posts)maddezmom
(135,060 posts)Oath Keepers and the Age of Treason
Glenn Beck loves them. Tea Partiers court them. Congressmen listen to them. Meet the fast-growing "patriot" group that's recruiting soldiers to resist the Obama administration.
Photos by Lucian Read.
Keep your New Year's resolution to learn something new; read the story below. To see more of 2010's best long-form magazine pieces, click here.
THE .50 CALIBER Bushmaster bolt action rifle is a serious weapon. The model that Pvt. 1st Class Lee Pray is saving up for has a 2,500-yard range and comes with a Mark IV scope and an easy-load magazine. When the 25-year-old drove me to a mall in Watertown, New York, near the Fort Drum Army base, he brought me to see it in its glass casehe visits it periodically, like a kid coveting something at the toy store. It'll take plenty of military paychecks to cover the $5,600 price tag, but he considers the Bushmaster essential in his preparations to take on the US government when it declares martial law.
His belief that that day is imminent has led Pray to a group called Oath Keepers, one of the fastest-growing "patriot" organizations on the right. Founded last April by Yale-educated lawyer and ex-Ron Paul aide Stewart Rhodes, the group has established itself as a hub in the sprawling anti-Obama movement that includes Tea Partiers, Birthers, and 912ers. Glenn Beck, Lou Dobbs, and Pat Buchanan have all sung its praises, and in December, a grassroots summit it helped organize drew such prominent guests as representatives Phil Gingrey and Paul Broun, both Georgia Republicans.
There are scores of patriot groups, but what makes Oath Keepers unique is that its core membership consists of men and women in uniform, including soldiers, police, and veterans. At regular ceremonies in every state, members reaffirm their official oaths of service, pledging to protect the Constitutionbut then they go a step further, vowing to disobey "unconstitutional" orders from what they view as an increasingly tyrannical government.
More:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/03/oath-keepers
Cha
(297,233 posts)uhnope
(6,419 posts)or at least clarified it?
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Bolo Boffin
(23,796 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)His courage for telling ugly truths.
But the amount of sauce poured over him by some at DU is DISGUSTING. When Assange, GG, and medea Benjamin praise Ron Paul, their credibility goes down the tubes.
UTUSN
(70,695 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Greenwald is a clown.
Sid
struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Is he telling the truth?
struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)the NSA recorded all phone calls; at the end of July, he was still claiming that low-level NSA analysts could wiretap anybody without a warrant
The problem is that Greenwald's ideological motives greatly affect the accuracy of his "reporting"
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)the NSA denies it?
Sorry, but the government doesn't have any credibility on this issue, whatever Greenwald's ideological motives.
struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)And I totally believe them. Except I don't. I don't mean to be difficult, but those companies have skin in the game. I trust them only marginally more than I trust the government on this. "Granting" may be the operative word here.
We will have to agree to disagree.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)I've retweeted people who I am ideologically opposed to regularly. Julian Sanchez of the Cato institute does great NSA research and blogging. I'm not going to ignore that merely because I am ideologically opposed to much of the Cato Institutes analysis. Joshua Foust, who I think is a total asshole is willing to engage in a reasonable discussion. The Rancid Honeytrap @RancidTarzie, an anarchist, is a scathing critic of Greenwald's NSA reporting (he thinks Glenn should dump it all) and Glenn engages with him and encourages his blog writing. In fact, he just did it today.
Retweet ≠ endorsement means something.
It's one of the reasons why I like twitter far more than DU.
The world is not made up of black hats and white hats.
Bolo Boffin
(23,796 posts)@BoloBoffin as a matter of fact.
I'm well aware that retweets don't equal endorsements. I usually retweet things for the WTF factor.
But this wasn't a retweet. Greenwood composed this tweet himself. He's the one that glossed over how rancid this group is. So you'll have to find another excuse for him.
QC
(26,371 posts)CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)on priniciples, ya know.
But I'm sure someone will say this 'endorsement' is only with the purest of intentions.
Cha
(297,233 posts)give shit. Why should he? His followers eat everything up he serves.
GG's all fucking excited..
Glenn Greenwald ✔ @ggreenwald
A coalition of current and former military, police, and other public officials place huge pro-Snowden ad in Metro http://reason.com/blog/2013/07/24/oath-keepers-place-massive-pro-snowden-a
3:36 AM - 11 Sep 2013
297 Retweets 90 favorites Reply
"Who is this coalition of current and former military, police, and other public officials Greenwald is promoting?"
Its the Oathkeepers, one of the most extreme right wing militia groups in the US, and one of many offshoots of the Patriot movement, with numerous ties to white nationalist and xenophobic anti-immigrant groups. Their founder, Stewart Rhodes, believes Barack Obama is plotting to disarm American citizens and turn US cities into giant concentration camps. He explained the goals of the group like this:
"And what does the ad Greenwalds promoting look like? (h/t: SmartyPants.)"
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/42504_Why_Is_Glenn_Greenwald_Promoting_an_Extreme_Right_Wing_Militia
Fuck them all.. assholes.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)Greenwald is a libertarian, not a progressive. Lots of libertarians in OathKeepers.
My question: Why give Glenn Greenwald any further publicity? It is what he lives for.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)maddezmom
(135,060 posts)Not exact words but close enough.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)So desperate, so ineffective, so bolo...
uhnope
(6,419 posts)It is no shock then that someone like Glenn Greenwald - a worshiper of Rand and Ron Paul (both racists) and a nasty Obama basher - would promote this hate group. No surprise at all.
But but. He only pointed it out because it talked about an ad praising Ed Snowden (the object of Greenwald's current anti-government fascination) and bringing awareness to NSA spying! No, it's not. As we have pointed out on multiple occasions, Snowden's "revelations" of perfectly legal, privacy protected activity is not in "keeping" with any oath of public service, and peddling paranoia is no way to have a national debate on privacy and security.
And the choice of the delivery vehicle matters. When a hate group holds up Snowden's work, Greenwald should be worried about the connection of Snowden to the real, radical, racist, anarchist agenda of this hate group. He would be, if he believed Snowden has done anything patriotic beyond lining the pockets of Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras. But he is simply their cash cow, so pimping this to stir up hate is just fine by them.
When the interests of a supposed civil libertarian aligns with that of a racist militant hate group, one of them is not authentic about their beliefs. And in this case, the hate group, unfortunately, is the authentic one.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)bobclark86
(1,415 posts)a group called the "Oath Keepers" are promoting a dude who, by doing what he is famous for ...
<drumroll please>
Did not keep his oath to the same document the Oath Keepers swore to uphold?
Oh, wait. There's a black Kenyan commie Muslim involved, so it's ok...
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
great white snark
(2,646 posts)That ratfucking fuckstick.