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Excepting the occasional troll.
So if you think that there are a lot of "Obama Haters" here, here's one for you.
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NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)
The Link
(757 posts)Its an easy defense mechanism. If you don't love him, you must hate him.
QC
(26,371 posts)believe that everyone else thinks that way, too.
otohara
(24,135 posts)You've got your buzzwords down pat.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)otohara
(24,135 posts)well deserved.
thanks
bvar22
(39,909 posts)That is ALL they got left.
Somehow, it sees to make them feel better.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Maybe even angry at myself for buying into the con. But not hate.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)of those that don't reduce their work on this board into "hate" per se. It's more like gleefully rubbing their hands and waiting for failure. Twisting ations and decisions into a meme of another failed policy. I don't think that is hate .... there is another term for that.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)There might be some of that, although I'd have to judge that on a post-by-post basis. Using it as a broad-brush description of the President's critics is not warranted.
donnasgirl
(656 posts)Is a word that comes to mind.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=317019&mesg_id=317019
Edited to add: or this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1709486
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)You obviously had to dig very very deep. Anything recent? Like, say from 2013....
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)But to see how evil he is in subverting the constitution this way it's obvious he has no consoience.He is a fucking corporate sociopath.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3075930
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Yeah, that sure sounds like a mass movement.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)You'd have to be blind to miss it. That there is some nasty shit.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Think NSA.
But that is just acknowledging reality. Doesn't rise to the level of 'hate'.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)when his policies either simliar to Bush's (such as Syria, right down to the rhetoric) or to the right of Bush (such as the NSA, which has grown in power and secrecy with Obama's blessing).
On social issues obviously Obama is light years better than Vader-Shrub, but when his other policies continue to lurch to the right he deserves to be criticized.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Times, the economy is not a social issue.
But now that the entire goal of the Federal Reserve, and the Treasury is to enslave the 99% to the .01%, the economic issues and polices have become social issues as well.
Obama's appointments are directly tied into the enslavement that is dropping down upon us.
LBJ understood that poverty is a social issue. Obama's "economic policy experts' like his "good buddy" Tim Geithner, Ben Bernanke, and Larry Summers all would say that the economic issues are not tied into social ones, but should their jobs get outsourced and they are living at the local Mission, eating beans and rice or not eating, then they might get a clue.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)I was overlooking economic justice and equality as a social issue, but you are completely correct.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)and you know it.
Number23
(24,544 posts)That was from yesterday.
There are some extra special people posting here. And by "special" I mean almost completely unhinged from reality.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)it could be that some people notice that others have nothing positive to say about President Obama and seem focused on finding the negative in his positions ... even if they have to build it around pure speculation; while having nothing negative to say about republicans.
Who knows?
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)that back up what they say. They are not engaged in "pure speculation," that's just an accusation leveled with the objective of undercutting their arguments. There are certainly a number of off-the-cuff responses, but one has to allow for that in a forum discussion.
As for "having nothing negative to say about Republicans," I think that's disingenuous. For example, it doesn't make much sense to discuss Republicans in a thread analyzing John Kerry's speech. I, personally, have LOTS of negative things to say about Republicans, but posting such is preaching to the choir on this site. "Republicans = Bad" is pretty much a given. However, the real fight right now is not Democrat vs. Republican but The People vs. The Oligarchy. Politicians get my support when they line up on the left side of that battle.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)only wants to help rich people get richer and is determined to gut the social safety net and see poor people starve to death are meant with complete love.
There were Clinton haters on the left, and there are Obama haters on the left.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)joeybee12
(56,177 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)joeybee12
(56,177 posts)Comparing Dems to freepers...nice.
krawhitham
(4,644 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Who are you anyway?
snooper2
(30,151 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)"Lest woe betide you"
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)...we are the equivalent of Freepers?
You guys are truly desperate. Why don't you try debating on substance sometime instead of defaulting to personal attacks?
Summer Hathaway
(2,770 posts)I have seen Obama described, right here on good ol' DU, as a 'secret Republican', a Trojan Horse sent into the Democratic Party to do the GOP's bidding - not to mention all of the recent posts saying he's "just like Bush", and is following PNAC's agenda.
Some alleged 'dems' on this site ARE Freepers. They post here, they serve on juries, they disrupt discussions, and they spew their RW talking points on a daily basis.
You Better Believe It.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)joeybee12
(56,177 posts)referring to and its context instead of some generic rant...but it might do you a world of good. And this better believe it shit is triesome as well..it's kind of like FUX Noise has given marching orders for the day's talking point.
tblue37
(65,357 posts)
Autumn
(45,084 posts)tblue37
(65,357 posts)joeybee12
(56,177 posts)instead of going on some generic rant. and no, I don't believe it...and if you do, that's really a shame that you can't understand the meaning of the term, loyal opposition.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)accuse him of literally destroying the constitution, that's how haters talk.
People who post crap like this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=418060
No one is stupid enough to say "I hate Obama"--even Michelle Bachmann ain't that dumb.
SunSeeker
(51,557 posts)
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)
Sid
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)That has nothing to do with 'hate' but goes after his policies.
You are proving the OP correct.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)This is about good progressives and good Democrats who happen to disagree with President Obama who are flippantly called "haters." And they are not using "RW talking points." Opposing war is not a RW talking point.
Summer Hathaway
(2,770 posts)disagree with Obama all the time. And they speak out as to what they disagree with, and why.
There is a world of difference between THAT and calling Obama names (lying jackass, Manchurian Candidate, blood-thirsty warmonger, water-carrier for the 1%, etc.)
I am an Obama-supporter and, as such, I have been called a mindless cheerleader, an idol worshipper, a crazed man-fan, an ignorant idiot who can't see through a phony, and worse.
So you will pardon my lack of sympathy for people who have called myself, and others, all kinds of nasty, derogatory things, and are now squealing like stuck pigs because 'they' are now being labelled as haters.
The problem here is that the RW trolls who have infested this site, and who actually ARE Obama-haters, have their posts high-fived and rec'd by the anti-Obamans - and, well, you know the old adage about lying down with dogs, fleas, and so on.
Yes, every message board has its trolls. But on THIS message board, those trolls are serving on juries and, as such, are controlling much of what is allowed be be posted here.
In the past week or so, I have seen "news stories" from The Daily Caller and The Blaze (Tucker Carlson's and Glenn Beck's rags, respectively) posted - and REC'd. I would definitely classify that as spewing RW talking points - along with the many attempts to validate them as acceptable sources.
BTW: "Opposing war is not a RW talking point." Where did I say it was?
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Damn...it is refreshing to see some cleaning house going on around here....someone get the Clorox and the Lysol...this place is in need of disinfectant after some of the talk against the "Democratic" I remind some of you, who seem to forget what * the * name * of * this *blog * is..President of the United States.
To use your favorite smilie...
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)That could NEVER happen on DU! No one would ever say Obama is like George W. Bush. It's all lies, lies, lies, lies!
Ps-By the way have you had that certain someone call you by the wrong name lately? It just makes me snicker when I see that.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)talking about, not that other stuff.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)lot of suspicious RW people on this site posing as liberals, Democrats from the Democratic Party, progressives all the while spewing RW beckerhead, tuckshit carlson bullshit. +10000
wryter2000
(46,045 posts)Couldn't have said it better myself.
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)None of them have ever worked to get a Democrat elected.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)otohara
(24,135 posts)POTUS now get's criticized for his looks on DU.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3641907
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)You Better Believe It.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)It takes a lot of effort to get to that kind of post count and I suspect that your average run of the mill troll coming to this site to disrupt wouldn't have that kind of perseverance. And of course there are some newbies with low post counts who are fine. But again that's not what I was talking about.
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Real class act.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)implemented the emergency broadcast system, citing Vladimir Putin's mouthpiece in doing so.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3190129
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts) geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)people on the Internet can be suckered into believing" way.
Your fauxtrage really got those yokels whipped up in a lather to the point where they were talking about leaving the USA because mean ol' Obama implemented the emergency broadcast system.
Maybe a Fox news producing gig is in your future.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts) geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)...morph into insulting fellow Democrats?
Summer Hathaway
(2,770 posts)over that laughably ridiculous thread are (a) the person who posted it, and (b) the "better-informed-than-the-average-citizen" posters who swallowed it hook, line and sinker.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)I am wounded to the core...
Theres no more faith in thee than in a stewed prune...!
Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #257)
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Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)one?
But I do desire we be better strangers
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Sorry, sweetie
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3651064
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A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Wed Sep 11, 2013, 09:00 PM, and voted 4-2 to HIDE IT.
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RetroLounge
(37,250 posts)RL
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Perhaps a tourniquet would have been more useful here.
A victory lap? Seriously?
Number23
(24,544 posts)She could have a million hidden posts and that person would have still posted that beyond moronic OP. So the "victory lap" isn't really celebrating a damn thing.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)It just stuck me funny to see someone celebrate just having their ass handed to them, use the alert system to stop the bleeding, (I'm telling!!!111) then take a bizarre victory lap.
Sometimes it's best to just walk away. This was one of those times.
Hekate
(90,686 posts)When I was a little kid in the San Fernando Valley, the authorities would test the sirens and the radio once a month to be ready in case of a nuclear attack. When the family moved to O'ahu, the authorities would test the sirens and the radio once a month to be ready in case of a tsunami. I listen to NPR when I'm in the car, and periodically they announce they are going to test the radio system for emergency broadcast readiness, so beeeeeeeeeeep. Same with my tv -- the sound on whatever show is on is overtaken by the announcement, we get captions running across the screen. "If this had been an actual emergency yadda yadda yadda."
I'm 66 years old this month. Who the hell is not aware that there has afaik always been some kind of Emergency Broadcast System using available technology? 
Oh gods what a CT 
thread emanated from that now-deleted post.
lumpy
(13,704 posts)lumpy
(13,704 posts)Those are not his words.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)post. That is against the TOS btw... but I'm not alerting anything in this thread since it's a bit hot on both sides.
lumpy
(13,704 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)It's pretty clear to me that s/he was making a direct comparison to a freeper post.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Last edited Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:06 AM - Edit history (1)
rules change. Look at their transparency page. Definition of disruptor.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)I have an inbox full of bs failed alerts to prove it.
These folks seriously need a new hobby, the spray and pray method is going to end up biting them squarely in the ass.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)conservative? Most of the DU complaints are along those lines.
Thanks in advance
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)traitor, or part of a shadowy conspiracy to subvert the constitution.
You know, stuff that all those people who don't hate him here at DU write.
quakerboy
(13,920 posts)That they can instantly quote them to fit their narrative at will.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)THAT was awesome! Clever and deceptive....I like it!
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)nt
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)nt
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)nt
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)for example a post with 48 recs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023622636
"I can't say precisely what I think of John Kerry here because someone or more than someone would alert on me, but I can say that NEVER have I regretted a vote more than the vote I cast for him for President. "
Are you really gonna say that is all about policy? There is no hatred expressed there for John Kerry himself?
And post #41 repeats one of the attacks used against him in 2004.
Nope, no freeperish hatred there.
post #80 "even my children, when they were little could lie better than John Kerry ..."
post #5 "he's a flat out liar" EOM
post #7 "Kerry is dancing so much like a puppet, I can almost see the strings"
Many posts and OPs are clearly about PEOPLE more than about policies.
At least I will be honest with myself. When I feel that Obama betrays me and proposes bad policies and lies about it, then it is pretty darned hard for me to NOT hate him for it. Heck, for a while there in January I was calling him Benedict Obama and his Vice President Traitor Joe, but quickly learned that didn't accomplish much except to piss people off.
Dumb strategy to piss people off when you want to win them to your side.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Probably still am or will be again very soon. *sigh*
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)I have yet to see Obama Hate on this site that isn't dealt with quickly.
Put up or shut up. I'm so fucking sick and tired of being sick and tired of valid criticism being labeled as hate.
So if you have an actual example of a real Obama Hater who hasn't been dealt with, now would be the time to produce the evidence.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)"Obama destroyed and called a war criminal?"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023067394
Yes, people who cheer on when Obama is "destroyed" are clearly thoughtful critics, and not typical Internet haters.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Those aren't haters.
I do see you calling a lot of people haters in that thread.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and I will call them haters, and really don't care who finds that accurate label troublesome.
cali
(114,904 posts)and I said as much at the time. I don't think most of those people hate Obama however. You apply the term waaay too liberally.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)"They express hatred towards Obama, but they don't hate him."
If people are going to use hateful rhetoric, then they can't really object when hate is attributed to them.
cali
(114,904 posts)but your larger point is something I agree with; if you use that kind of hateful rhetoric, you don't have much of an argument.]
I do want to point something out though: I don't engage in that rhetoric and I get called an Obama hater daily. In fact, I'll wager that I get called that more than practically anyone here. I don't recall if you've called me that or not so I'm not about to accuse you of doing it.
I think that running around calling everyone who criticizes Obama's policies haters, is pretty hateful in itself. And there are sure as shit people doing that here.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)You certainly get unfairly accused of it, though.
cali
(114,904 posts)It rankles because I not only don't hate Obama, I like him. I've never accused him of being a war monger or a tool of the MIC or any of that. And you know what I meant when I said there are people here who accuse everyone here who criticizes Obama "a hater".
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)"Leave Miley alone, you haters!"
heaven05
(18,124 posts)just some of his political decisions. But I've "hated" that way since Nixon. Bush is the only POTUS I was embarrassed by as an american citzen and I did DESPISE him as a person, along with cheney, rumsfeld, rice, woo, et al.
lumpy
(13,704 posts)seen others get away with stuff like that.
cali
(114,904 posts)when I have never expressed or condone that kind of rhetoric. What do you think that says about some people?
lumpy
(13,704 posts)what they write is usually nasty and untruthful and it isn't kosher. Sorry you've had to put up with that. I must admit I don't agree with some of the things you say but I wouldn't classify you as a hater.
greiner3
(5,214 posts)And you are #127?
greiner3
(5,214 posts)Me thinks there is just one in your conversation, and I don't think it's you.
Jus' saying.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Who will be his 20th!? 
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and hide it like they did earlier this year.
Rex
(65,616 posts)But 20...man even I have SOME temperance.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)When people quote articles by Holocaust deniers in a discussion of US policy during WWII, the words "fucking idiot" fly off my fingertips pretty quickly.
Should just use ignore and trash.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I've learned to bite my tongue on DU3 when I was hosting META and GD. Granted I will admit some of my hides I deserve, because I was acting like a dick. You won't like it if you get PPRd. I would dial back some.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)But, I will continue to roll the dice with "Fuck Ron Paul"
Rex
(65,616 posts)nt.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Might be the only thing we agree on...but it is a good one to agree on!
riqster
(13,986 posts)With a hardback copy of The Fountainhead.
Think that will do it!
Rex
(65,616 posts)nt.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)He was dancing with glee. 127 recs on DU. wow.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)For THIS:
I approve of that message.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)
Autumn
(45,084 posts)That was awesome.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)in a Western country, Ireland, is calling the president that. If I rec that thread it doesn't mean that I personally believe that Obama is a war criminal. It means that I bemoan the fact that his policies have led to that type of criticism.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)RetroLounge
(37,250 posts)paranoid much?
"I hold in my hand a list of communists"
RL
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)RetroLounge
(37,250 posts)was that it?
RL
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Last word is yours.
RetroLounge
(37,250 posts)how's that?
RL
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)and not because he broke the law? Seems to me that's the logic required to see a that opinion as 'hate' rather than an opinion about who is actually in the wrong in the Manning case, the treatment Manning was subjected to I personally consider amoral. You are fine with any mistreatment of prisoners, I get that, but it is more hypocrisy from 'I'm a Christian' Obama. Jesus said that any treatment given to a prisoner is given to Him, so all apologizes but Obama claims to believe that religion, which teaches that if you abuse Manning as a prisoner, that abuse is rendered directly to Jesus, if you shove a feeding tube down a prisoner's neck you are doing that to Jesus.
So apparently by saying Manning is Himself, Jesus, Jesus is committing a sin against Obama? How do you work out the contradictions?
Hate is a word most often used by people whose lives are deeply protected from hate, affluent, straight white folks by and large are the ones who scream hate at every turn. Hate is how Matthew Shepherd got killed, hate is not 'that person does not agree with my favorite politicians!'.
Pitiful and sad displays. A banquet eaten by gluttons before an audience of the starving. 'Oh, it's hate!' say people who have never faced actual hate. They love to lay on the language.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)When people say that a person who has committted no crime belongs in prison, it's an expression of intense personal animosity, not a legal or policy analysis.
But, really, just step back and look at how much of the stuff here is beyond what Bachmann, Stockman, Gohmert, etc say about the President in terms of virtrol, hyperbole, etc.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Look. Obama says he is a big Christian. That faith teaches that mistreatment of a prisoner is a great crime against God and man. Done to Jesus himself in fact.
If Obama gets to shout about what the Bible says when it suits him, then those who exploit Obama for their own personal rhetorical agenda will need to deal with the fact that the same Bible says what was done to Manning was a crime done to Jesus the Christ himself.
You say it was not a crime? The Bible Obama threw at gay people does not agree with you, Obama says he believes the Bible. I guess he just rejects the parts that might alter his own actions?
So what you call animosity many would call 'quoting Jesus'.
It sure is not 'hate'. Hate is the greatest poison on the planet, it is not political opinion about policies, it is that which causes folks like Assad to gas their peers, which causes straight folks to attack gay people for existing. Each day people die because of hate. But you claim a political disagreement is hate.
What a lush and protected life it must be to reach such conclusions.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Just disagreements, after all.
Ask Yitzhak Rabin's widow if poisonous rhetoric directed towards politicians is just policy disagreement.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Rude and dismissive yes, but in the end simply too boring to continue. Dull is just not forgivable.
Summer Hathaway
(2,770 posts)It usually gets over a hundred recs within a few hours.
I'd say that's pretty quick.
sheshe2
(83,770 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
lumpy
(13,704 posts)uponit7771
(90,339 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)
Cha
(297,234 posts)
FSogol
(45,485 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Kolesar
(31,182 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Cha
(297,234 posts)deny it and act like bully victims and offer a "big cup of shut the fuck up". 
Number23
(24,544 posts)Sums up the "new" DU better than just about anything I've seen around here for days. Truly the navel-gazing and cluelessness has finally reached its zenith (or floor) by now??
Cha
(297,234 posts)doth protest too much. lol
We're in a minority here but what a fine minority it is, 23. And, EarlG.. one of the Admin's of this site.. gets it.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)And, I have alert stalkers (I got a post hidden for saying "Fuck Ron Paul"
so even if not you . .
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Until then, you're writing fiction.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)The author repeatedly accused Obama of committing "domestic terrorism"
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3336603
So, stuff like calling Obama a domestic terrorist and dictator gets one on the greatest page but not banned (that nutjob got banned for being a bigot).
Autumn
(45,084 posts)So, stuff like calling Obama a domestic terrorist and dictator gets one banned.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Good riddance to that one. He was even more unhinged than the usual Obama hater here, even though this OP claims so prettily that these folks don't exist.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)I mean 19 is kinda racking them up.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)I've had other DU'ers personal mail me bogus alerts on my totally innocuous posts.
My Transparency page shows 5 hidden posts from me DEFENDING myself from a bunch of stalking bullies.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Maybe I just need a map to find all of these haters
lumpy
(13,704 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)
If they are hidden there are people who believe they should be hidden. Don't post posts like that then.
lumpy
(13,704 posts)This place needs to cleaned up, although it does show how many people play around with
lies and convolution to make a point and all that useless crap.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Proof in my inbox. It's like a sick game.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)I guess this evidence supporting the old saying,
"If your eyes are clouded with hate, hate is all you will see."
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I guess many are now at the point in which we encourage others to violate the terms of DU to better justify our own opinions...
(insert rationalization here)
lumpy
(13,704 posts)That is not love, respect....... or the truth. That sort of speech is hate speech, nothing less.
Insanity.
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)And if he strikes Syria he'll be giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Which just so happens to be the definition of treason.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)IMPEACH!!!!!
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)'Aiding and abetting' guy's conclusion.
The other one thinks he's a PNAC Zionist Muslim apparently. 
Cha
(297,234 posts)talking about "pinprick strikes". That's insane batshit.
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)Have you ever tried to glint? Really. Look in the mirror. Try to glint. If it works you'll be scared shitless.
glint
glint/Submit
verb
1.
give out or reflect small flashes of light.
Cha
(297,234 posts)do anything. rofl
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)Watch out, he's glinting again! Run away!!!!!
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)The endless whines that Obama is just another Bush, and that GOP nutcases like Rand Paul are heroes set my teeth on edge.
lumpy
(13,704 posts)Ron and Rand Paul put their faith in a half-baked women with some damn weird ideas. Strange that that garbage has filtered into an accepted philosophy by weird political figures such as the Pauls.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)and I've never pretended any differently, even when I was the lone wolf opposing him.
I just paid attention to what he said in the '08 primaries, and didn't get caught up in the emotional storm of saying goodbye to GWB, ushering in a black man as president, and all that stuff about "hope," because I didn't have any. I listened.
I've certainly never claimed that "he's a tyrannical warmongering tool of the plutocratic class."
War monger? Yes. Tool of the plutocratic class? He's a neo-liberal. That's a yes by definition.
That doesn't mean I hate him. I do my best not to hate. I didn't hate GWB. If I were allow myself to hate, that hate would not be directed at politicians, but at the people who elect them, thus giving them the power to harm.
I make an effort, though, to understand people's limitations, and NOT to hate.
I never much liked Clinton, either. For me, that started on that infamous 60 minutes segment before he was elected the first time; the one where HRC showed up to stand by her man while explaining that she wasn't standing by her man. I neither like nor respect cheaters. So, from that moment forward, I didn't trust Clinton. I was proved correct, of course. His cigar/blue dress/definition of is legacy certainly affected the outcome of 2000, along with election fraud. That, and his crowning legacy, which has had disastrous consequences: NAFTA.
I don't hate Clinton, either though.
Dislike is not hate. Political opposition is not hate. Putting issues before personality or party is not hate.
It takes someone who doesn't have a vested interest in hate, though, to see the difference.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)
Skraxx
(2,977 posts)Th1onein
(8,514 posts)What's authoritarian about the post? And, instead of denialist, I think it's more like defensive. People who do not support spying or wars have to defend themselves from accusations of being Obama haters.
Disrupt much?
Skraxx
(2,977 posts)Nahh, nuthin authoritarian about that.
Haters are naturally defensive.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Or was it bullshit you made up?
lumpy
(13,704 posts)poor people starve to death, only wants war for the 1%, plutocrat, shit like that. Anything nasty to downgrade Obama, why? because they hate him. Most people who oppose some of his policies don't sling crap like that around.
Skraxx
(2,977 posts)Guess not.
OP doesn't like the opinion of people who believe many here hate Obama and tells them to have a nice cup of shut the Fuck up.
Now please proceed and attempt some blathering nonsense about how it doesn't say that.
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)You're pretty new here; you'll enjoy yourself there, I'm sure. Probably not for long, though. Heh.
Hekate
(90,686 posts)I mean anything's possible, right?
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)Geezus.
Cha
(297,234 posts)a big bully cup of shut the fuck up.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)Please stop abusing them.
progressoid
(49,990 posts)Hate. No.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)toy demonstrate that their lives have been cushy and isolated, they have never had to deal with or to answer actual hate. It is a word that trips off the lips of people who sit in retirement from life in some enclave of luxury, a word bandied about by candy assed second stringers. Anyone who has seen actual hate close up thinks of the word as a curse, a nearly unspeakable creature to be avoided like the toxic prelude to murder that it so often is.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)in chocolate boxes.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)no actual meaning or real world impact, as if hate was not the leading killer of people and of cultures the world has ever known?
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)lumpy
(13,704 posts)Some sleezeball GOP Freeper ?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)
Amonester
(11,541 posts)fantasize about taking arms for leading a violent revolution, in the hopes of, one of these days, get an opportunity to target his imaginary "fucking corporate sociopath"
DU is (in part) turning into a collection of violent sh!t like that, and it's disgusting.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)but you use that sort of rhetoric, that's what this OP is about, that sort of rhetoric. It is also typical that you offer this quote without a link. It gives no context, no poster, no nothing. Some folks have been known to edit a quote to fit an agenda. Not you of course, never. But by not linking all you are doing is gossiping using insinuation. It is not fair to me, as the other half of this discussion, and it seems manipulative even if that is not the intention. These are tactics that display your lack of respect to me personally. I offer thoughts, you snark and snuffle and pass on something you say you read. It is not respectful, it does not return that which I am offering in kind. It is definitive of those who exploit the President as excuse for shitty behavior toward others.
I say those who fling the word hate around tend to have precious little actual encounter with hate. Hate kills. Hate is not a quarrel about politics, hate is 29 States that currently allow discrimination against LGBT people in housing and employment. Hate is a bloody baseball bat, a neighborhood filled with sarin. Hate is a curse only casually tossed by those who don't know the meaning of the word, and almost always by those who surround themselves with a tightly controlled group of ideological peers because hate shouters almost always travel in groups and retreat to protected clubhouses that are harshly exclusionary after running around in public calling other people names. Folks who shout 'hate' casually and tactically almost always ascribe their actions to their own super pure loyalty to a person or an idea, any criticism toward them is said to be 'because of what I believe' and any name calling or hate shouting toward others is said to be 'support of that which I believe in'. Hate shouters are nothing new. The religious right, for example, likes to claim they are hated, that liberals and gays hate family values, that we hate religion, hate America. This crap is crap I have heard my entire life from folks who wish to impose their own views as universal standards. What is sad to me is that any Democrat would engage in this crap and frankly in my eyes it is an abuse of Obama to use him as reason for these rhetorical tactics.
I don't see the 'support' offered by the hate shouting name calling routine as being anything other than their own self indulgent acting out. It does not support Obama nor does it promote the sort of communication Obama seeks to bring to our politics, respectful, honest, moderate and based on a mutual assumption of good will. No one can 'support the President' by acting out in ways he'd not endorse.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Thanks for getting it and explaining me better than I could have.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)had nothing to do with that which I wrote. This is a huge bit of disrespect, this pretense of putting words into the mouths of others then responding to them with hyperbolic intensity.
Of course you did not respond to what I actually wrote because you can't. Because I'm very right.
Silent3
(15,212 posts)One does not have to be at the edge of murderous rage (or beyond) to harbor hatred.
It's hardly a matter of cushy lifestyles to acknowledge that degrees of intensity exist, that "hate" remains a perfectly acceptable word for negative attitudes towards a particular person which fall short more than a bit short of homicidal intent.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)same dif.
riqster
(13,986 posts) 
hootinholler
(26,449 posts) riqster
(13,986 posts)Or is that a "wedge" issue?
krawhitham
(4,644 posts)They might just outnumber the non trolls
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)big sigh
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)
She could post her grocery list and it would get 100 recs.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)I also saw him called a "piece of shit" on this board, but that's a term of endearment, right?
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)For the record, I'm very much against this proposed warfare, and I'm not happy with the way the President has handled it. Calling the President a "POS" is well beyond good taste.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Because nobody here hates Obama....or something like that 
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Holding feet to fire, etc....
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)of hating Obama (and cheering on dicatators like Assad).
pkdu
(3,977 posts)lumpy
(13,704 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Understand; I believe that poster tossed his own crust, applied the toppings, and cooked the pizza he got, and deservedly so.
Here's the thing about the POS post though where my opinion diverges with yours...
I saw that post as a direct response to a post claiming that President Obama was going to launch missiles into Syria within a couple days of 8/26 absent either a Security Council OR Congressional resolution authorizing it (which of course we now know didn't happen but at the time, given the rhetoric it was anyone's guess). So rather than seeing it as a post calling President Obama a POS, I saw the back and forth something more like this, and please allow me to paraphrase:
"So President Obama is launching missiles into Syria this Thursday..."
"Mark it down as the day Obama went from medicre to POS."
To me that isn't tantamount to calling President Obama a POS because the pivotal event hadn't (and never did) happened. Much like (to me anyway) saying "X should be strung up by his thumbs" can't really be construed as a threat, even though I've seen posts in that vein directed at one politician or another called exactly that here in GD.
You've seen surveys where the range of possible responses goes from "strongly agree" to "strongly disagree". Lately, the rhetoric here has gone into orbit. "Strongly agree" has become "cheerlead" and "strongly disagree" has become "hate". When bush was in the White House, DUers were like metal shavings on top of a piece of paper and he was like a magnet. Every time he came close, DUers could be counted on to align in the same direction exactly as one would expect. Today, absent the magnet, that kind of alignment doesn't happen, and I noticed it not happening sometime in 2009. Everyone had their own pony. For me, it was gay rights, and I posted non-stop about it. For others, it was health care. For others it was war. For others it was jobs. We have been like metal shavings without a magnet to align us (that magnet being hatred for a politician) for five years. During that time, we've drifted so far apart that we've become like bad neighbors. "The water from your sprinkler is coming over my fence." "The leaves from your tree fall in my back yard when the wind blows." It's not going to end any time soon.
I don't see a lot of hate here. I don't think the word means what people think it means. I can't hate someone I don't know. If you've never kicked me in the balls, made me bleed, slept with my wife, or stolen money from me I can't hate you. Sure, there are lots of other things I could add to that list, but they'd all be PERSONAL things. You get the picture. I guess there are others for whom hatred is a more easily conjured emotion, and because they're able to feel it, they see it in others.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)However, I have to take exception to this:
Not that you are incorrect in stating this, but that it's a bad sign if the only reason we can find to motivate and unite us is "hatred for a politician."
We need to be motivated and united by what we believe to be right, not by despite for politicians.
Number23
(24,544 posts)This stupid thread has been absolutely educational!
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)
Number23
(24,544 posts) 
Cha
(297,234 posts)to him once. Admittedly I should have framed it differently.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)his eyebrows, and one ranting on about some 'glint' in his eye when he spoke of gas and drones.....that's hate, Will.
And you said nothing to them.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)on eyebrows",one of the weirdest insults I'd seen here in a while. And yeah,that thread was full of bile.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)is what ails this place. It's the internet; people are going to say stupid shit. Keeping a tally sheet and retaliating for every slight - real or perceived - is what makes DU suck.
I quit doing it years ago. You and a fair budget of others around here should do the same.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)Tell your friends. They share the same affliction.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)This is what it sounded like on DU today. An anti-antiwar DUZY day.
It's pretty predictable that certain factions will immediately assume the "no attack" side of the issue...So many failed predictions by Obama detractors it's hard to take them seriously...There is a contingent who love to see him fail and hate to see him win... It's fashionable to just hate him without looking at the facts....detractors HATE to see him succeed and refuse to give him credit. They are pathetic!
The haters are mad there will be no US attack on Syria. They desperately wanted to use it to bash Obama. When a diplomatic solution becomes reality, the haters won't know what to do. It'll be like watching chickens run around with their heads cut off.
...the holier than thou bunch...The "Obama does no right" crowd...Peace Purists... those of you who salivated that the President was nothing but a lying warmonger... knocking this country to hell.
...the doves would have done nothing and they clearly got it wrong...ignorance, isolationism...
...they are screaming so loud, waving their hands all over and using their mouth froth to put out the hair on fire... DU's Combustible Hair Club...
It was perfectly clear if you didn't have your fingers in your ears going la la la la la...I can't hear you......your defense mechanism to resist the President's reasoning...
there are many here..who would find some sick perverse pleasure from Obama going ahead with the attack plans just to confirm their claims he is a warmonger... people looking so forward for the worst to happen so they can do an "I told you so."
...it must really suck to be that full of hate and anger.
beerandjesus
(1,301 posts)Those of us who spoke out AGAINST war, in opposition to the cheerleaders who are PRO-war, are "mad that there will be no attack on Syria"??
Not to mention the condescension, addressing us as if we were baggers ("Obama Derangement Syndrome" is just the beginning), and of course, libeling our motivations. Funny, I don't recall anyone in the anti-war crowd claiming that those in the pro-war crowd wanted to drop bombs on Syria solely for the pleasure of killing children.... yet WE are the haters??
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)to being called a "hater" all day in such hateful tones.
beerandjesus
(1,301 posts)It's been a really galling combination of sanctimony and hypocrisy.
Thanks for that post. I about bust a vein reading it, but only because it was so apt.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)lumpy
(13,704 posts)
Puglover
(16,380 posts)lumpy
(13,704 posts)Amonester
(11,541 posts)Sadly.
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)These people scare me.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)I actually like the guy as a human being... But... I wanted a forceful fighter... not a negotiator.
ladyVet
(1,587 posts)Disappointed, Distrustful, Possibly Dystopian... Yeah... But Hate... Never...
I actually like the guy as a human being... But... I wanted a forceful fighter... not a negotiator.
Yep.^^^^
whistler162
(11,155 posts)to scramble to defend your failure.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)
Seriously.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Not a politician!
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)But when we criticize his actions the COP/BOG types deem it as hate because they simply cannot stand to hear one word of criticism against Obama.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)The conflation of policy disagreement with personal hate. I've never met the man, how the hell can I either love or hate him? However I can observe the policies put forth and form opinions of those.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)it's obvious that we hate the fact that there is a black man in the White House.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)have been slapped politically in the face time and time again.
The same emotional energy that was put into supporting President Obama, would naturally become anger/hate at the immense betrayal of their dreams. Assuming people have been betrayed, the reaction is natural and appropriate.
Skittles
(153,160 posts)I am SICK of them, absolutely SICK of them
ProSense
(116,464 posts)who believes he's a warmongering sellout shill for the one percent who intentionally "murders" children with drones?
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)right?
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)What do you want me to say?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Don't weasel around by saying "there is empirical evidence that he is pure evil and a babykiller but my feelings for him are neutral."
People who are pure evil babykillers--one should hate such people.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)must be or OTOH it could be that some of us do not believe that one must adore or even agree with what a POTUS even one with a D after his name does, and in the case of the POTUS having a D after his name some of us feel that we must be willing to say so when we do not agree with what he does, until now I never felt the Democratic party was a yes squad, but these past few months are changing that
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)Lots of insistence that individuals really DO hate him but just won't say so. Lol. Strange days.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Love 'em all.
Skinner
(63,645 posts)But what is the appropriate word to describe someone who always puts the worst possible spin on everything the president does?
What is the appropriate word to describe someone who criticizes the president when he changes course and does exactly what they were demanding that he do a week ago?
What is the appropriate word to describe someone who -- rather than trying to understand why he might be doing something -- always seems to assume that the president is acting out of bad faith?
To be clear: I am not referring to the vast majority of people who criticize the president. I am referring to a small sub-set of people here. I don't know what is in anyone's heart, and I have no clue whether they hate the man. Ultimately, attaching a label or claiming to understand the underlying motivation for these people is not the important part. But if the point of this post is to argue that a particular label does not apply, I am curious to know, what would you call someone who does these things?
I don't know. But I do know this: When George W. Bush was president, I DID ALL THOSE THINGS. And frankly, I HATED THE MAN.
All of it.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)The reality is that I voted for Obama twice and I have also been in the streets protesting against his policies on more than one occassion. There are some Obama policies I have supported and others that I have strongly opposed. I strongly oppose Obama's handling of the situation in Syria and for that I have been labeled a hater, but the people who call me a hater know nothing about all the times I have been on Obama's side.
I think that is the big problem with putting these labels on people based on a limited observation, we see people's posts on a given issue and we assume they must be opposed to Obama on everything. I have made this mistake myself many times, there have been a number of DUers in the past that I thought were right-wing trolls until I started to read more of their posts and realize that the reality of their positions is more complex than I initially realized.
Are there haters on this site? Well considering there are no doubt a few right-wing infiltrators here, sure there are a few. I think the only ones who truly hate Obama however are those right-wing infiltrators, the majority who are upset with him on issues like the NSA and Syria are genuinely upset with his policies but they do not hate him.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Centrist Democrats until last year opposed equal rights for gay people. They insisted that to say God does not want us to have rights was not hate. Do you think it was hate? To say we are not Sanctified as Obama did? Hate speech or political speech?
I've been told on DU in recent weeks that 'gays have plenty of rights' and that 'Latin America is but a cyst on the anus of the world' by folks who claim THAT is not hate, but it is hate to say you don't want to bomb people. A cyst on the anus of the world. But that's not hate. That's 'supporting the President'.
The standards around here are extreme, and the invective is unchecked. If it is ok to say bigoted shit and call it 'supporting the President' you are likely to get some pushback.
Puglover
(16,380 posts)post daily with apparent immunity. And admin has never said a word about it.
The fabulous jury system is the perfect excuse for "it's okay because it's your peers" Absolutely disgusting.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)They like to hurl lingo but when called out about specifics they get very shy. 'So was it hate when so many said gay people are not Sanctified by God or was that political speech?' Simple question, but to answer it would leave him in a tight spot rhetorically.
Rick Warren calling us all pedophiles was specifically called 'not hate' on DU. But if one says 'I oppose war' that's hate. Sick shit.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)My intended point is about name calling. Especially as a provocation in thread titles. I could have done something similar with Obama worshipers. Then there's throwing around of all manner of other trite phrases, plenty of examples in this thread.
Maybe it all depends on the word hater. I mean it's such a base emotion it means a lot of different things to each of us humans. To me someone who hates Obama would want him to fail completely. Someone like that generally outs themselves pretty quickly.
I will admit there could be a scant few who actually do hate The President. I will also assert there are a scant few who worship The President, after all it is the internet.
I don't know Skinner, I'm just glad I don't have your job
jazzimov
(1,456 posts)And I'm not just trying to "suck up" to the Big Guy. Once again, he proves WHY he's the "Big Guy".
I know there are a lot of people here who are disappointed with Obama for whatever reason. But I believe there a a few people who are purposely criticizing him and Democrats unfairly because they are trying to stir up dissent - many of them want us to vote for a 3rd party candidate because they support that candidate, some of them want us to vote 3rd party because they know that is a "throw-away" vote and actually gives their candidate a better chance.
Personally, I'd like to see a "run-off" vote for National Elections. But that's just me. That would also require each citizen to vote twice, and it's hard enough to get them to vote once.
Hekate
(90,686 posts)
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)because Race to the Top has him struggling and thinking he is stupid.
lumpy
(13,704 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)responsible for these educational programs. My son was forced to take grade level math during 6th, 7th, and 8th grade. He came home everyday in 6th grade depressed, feeling stupid and asking if he could skip school. We thought we had a better school district when we moved. They placed him in a proper math class. Only now his English class will be implementing Common Core Standards and his autism creates more of problem for him in English than in math. I am angry and bitter. We need to ditch Race to the Top and Common Core Standards and we need to properly fund our schools the way we did before Reagan screwed everything up.
Hekate
(90,686 posts)...of your problem with the system, I think: "his autism creates more of problem for him in English than in math" means there's a system that doesn't fit his needs and that he can't conform to.
Perhaps what you need is a conversation with his teacher, and maybe the principal. Maybe he needs tutoring one-on-one. Perhaps a support group of similar parents might help. But somehow I don't think this is President Obama's fault.
I am really sorry for his and your problems, but I went through public schools long before Reagan came in, and in my state, believe me, kids were vigorously tracked by a combination of test scores and performance, and those who could not keep up fell behind. Even the "vocational" classes were tracked. And there was little to no access or mainstreaming for those considered handicapped (old terminology befitting a discussion of former times). In my schools there was not a single blind child, nor one in a wheelchair, nor a child who was profoundly deaf, nor a Downs' child. Children with "severe behavioral problems" were ultimately expelled if they could not conform/cope/adjust. Those who were simply very withdrawn stayed because they caused no problems. Teachers were solo in their classrooms and they had to teach as many of the kids as they could reach. Funding was a perennial issue.
If you believe in mainstreaming all children into one public school system, then we have made tremendous progress. But the downside is that everything has been dumped onto the public school system with inadequate or iffy funding and resources from year to year.
And still the teachers have to teach as many kids as they can reach. Common Core may actually be reaching the majority of students, but clearly not those who for whatever reason are in the minority. No single program can reach ALL students; it can only be tailored so far to fit specific needs. But the point of the new scheme is that our schools are failing the majority, and as many as possible need to be caught up and urged to excel.
Your focus naturally is on your own child, and I share your frustration that you can't get as much help as you need. (You have no idea how much I share your frustration, but this is not about me.) However, President Obama's job is to rescue as many children as possible by casting as wide a net as possible, and he's not trying to hurt you. Please don't be bitter in the wrong direction. I hope so much for you and your son that this school year will get better.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Last edited Thu Sep 12, 2013, 11:00 AM - Edit history (1)
used to. And it's not just K-12. Why do you think universities are having to increase tuition so much and try to make their building so appealling? They do it because the government does not fund them the way they use to. Did I say I wanted to go back to the day when autistic kids were ostrisized? No I didn't. I said they needed more funding and the ability to follow their IEPs the way the ADA meant for them to be followed. By forcing these Common Core Standards on our special needs kids they are violating our ADA rights. I hear people offer me solutions on this board all the time. The one thing I never hear is support on more funding. Why is that? Why is it democrats don't support more funding for our schools? It does not matter. I have left the democratic party over this very issue. I no longer care what democrats have to say on this issue because they have no credibility with me anymore. I will continue to fight for more funding for our schools and I will keep fighting to stop Common Core Standards and Race to the Top just as many teachers and parents are now fighting to do. Many teachers are beginning to protest class sizes and standardized testing. We will do this eventually with or without the democrats help. When Bush was president I heard lots of people saying get rid of No Child Left Behind. Well Obama is doing the same thing with Race to the Top and I don't hear democrats saying get rid of Race to the Top. Why is that?
Hekate
(90,686 posts).... the entire Democratic platform would have been funded, including the Jobs Program (teachers), Infrastructure (schools), and all the rest. CONGRESS HOLDS THE MONEY.
This fundamental misunderstanding has caused you to quit being a registered Democrat ("I have left the democratic party" and "no longer care what democrats have to say on this issue because they have no credibility with me anymore". Well in that case it is difficult to have a conversation with you on this or any other issue.
Peace.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)mentioned wanting to spend some money on math and science. Geez I wonder why. Maybe because Bill Gates and Tim Cook need engineers. What about the rest of the school? Our entire system is in desperate need of funding. Chicago closed 50 schools. Philadelphia had to borrow money to start the school year. Millions are in college debt because the government doesn't fund universities the way they use to. When I went to school the special education classrooms had maybe a dozen students per teacher. My son is in special education classrooms where the student teacher ratio is the exact same as the general education classes. There is a big problem here and it is not just the repubicans' fault.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)The Democratic Party has abandoned many of its core principles. Are we allowed to be angry about that? Or are we expected to shut our mouths, clench our teeth and just take it?
(I am also the parent of a special needs child, so your posts resonate with me.)
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)That's all I expect from you. He is such a people pleaser he wants to do what the teachers tell him. He wants to get good grades. The system sets him up for failure and it hurts. It's hard to raise a child to have a healthy sense of self when school makes them feel inadequate.
mick063
(2,424 posts)Some examples:
An agreement with Britain which allows the US government to adequately access Cayman Island accounts for the purpose of taxation.
The Attorney General implementing policy change with respect to federal enforcement of marijuana laws.
My post history shows that I heaped much praise for those decisions.
I don't hate the man. I hold great disdain for many of his policies and appointments. I will attack them relentlessly. I will attack them to the point of being called a "hater". I really don't give a shit if I am labeled as such. I have a running list of his policies that I frequently criticize. To his credit, he has removed two of them. The list is still long, but has been shortened.
Logical
(22,457 posts)lumpy
(13,704 posts)Makes for meaningless blabber.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts) Summer Hathaway
(2,770 posts)Generic Other
(28,979 posts)While the president has disappointed me, I do not hate him. I doubt many people on DU hate him. I voted for him twice. But his most vocal defenders seem to hate me and want to paint me as evil for even daring to be critical. I have been called a disruptor, a hater, a ron paul lover, Assad apologist, etc. Told to leave DU. If his supporters drive people like me away from the party, how does that benefit Democrats? Purging the left is not the answer. And wild accusations are not helpful.
Change has come
(2,372 posts)
How about this one?
Autumn
(45,084 posts)We didn't vote for him, we didn't support with our time and efforts. Those are things we did for Barack Obama. Yes some of us are disappointed in some of his policies and criticize him. I think that's healthy and makes for an interesting debate. Something that is desirable on a message board. But you are ignoring the fact that there is also a small sub-set of posters that go on the attack and call posters who do criticize the President Putin worshipers, Ron Paul lovers, Assad lovers, the screeching far left, delicate flowers, trolls consumed by hatred and that just a few names we are called.
Whats the appropriate word to describe people who call DUers names like that? Good DUers who are not that small sub-set of people here that you refer to?
Frankly, I still hate GWB, but I am terribly disappointed in Obama.
carolinayellowdog
(3,247 posts)Last edited Fri Sep 13, 2013, 07:21 AM - Edit history (1)
Presumably and according to all evidence from what I saw here throughout 2012, we overwhelmingly voted for Obama and Democrats, as did those of us here in 2008. Those who are disenchanted over various 2013 developments, and say so, are subject to constant scoldings and harassment as "haters" to the point that it dominates the entire discussion. And the fact that on chained CPI, on NSA surveillance, and now on Syria, the DU majority is disenchanted on three different fronts, absolutely infuriates the most dogmatic and aggressive presences on the site.The constant characterization of the most respected high-recced posters as "haters" is a disgrace. A major disincentive to participation in discussion of current events is that a faction has to make everything about how they are victimized by what someone else thinks about Obama, and mischaracterize it as feeling, and purely destructive feeling at that.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)The behavior you describe seems coordinated and constant. Many older DUers never post anymore or have left entirely because of it. It's very sad because their voices are missed. I hear from some once in a rare while on FB or Twitter and remember what a force we once were to be reckoned with. We owned the moral high ground without question during the Bush years. We didn't ever attempt to appease the right. We didn't go along with lowlife plans that hurt the poor or workers. And we didn't treat each other like we were engaged in mortal combat.
Anyway, I appreciate your words.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)Too critical? That's a legitimate thing to ask or wonder. But those who insist someone they don't know HATES someone that neither of them know is extremely inappropriate. It makes things so needlessly emotional and kills discussion. Frankly I'm disappointed you hopped in here to seemingly give ammunition to those who behave in that sort of labeling. That's how they see it anyway, from the replies you've gotten and from the positions they take in this this thread and others.
Maven
(10,533 posts)Kindly put a "positive spin" on the following:
- secretive negotiation of the TPP
- full-throated support for fracking
- encouraging the country to look at videos of children dying to beat the drums for war
- seeking immunity in court for the Bush admin war criminals
- lying about NSA spying on Americans
- aggressive prosecution of marijuana dispensaries
- aggressive prosecution of whistleblowers (oh, excuse me, "leakers"
- etc. etc.
Perhaps people have a negative view of these things under Obama for the same reasons they'd have a negative view of these things under Bush. Perhaps not everything is about personality. Perhaps?
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)It's the policies, not the person. Frankly, had Shrub-Vader done these things, this place would be raging like it was back in the day when Shrub-Vader *did* do these types of things.
Undoubtedly some minority of people focused on the person and displayed their hate and got TS'ed. But for those that get shouted down and called haters for criticizing policies that we wouldn't tolerate if a Republican was in charge is quite amazing.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)but overall you are correct. there are some people who cannot accept any criticism of him at all...and i think they far outnumber the over-the-top critics.
Gothmog
(145,242 posts)I personally think that he is doing a very good job
Change has come
(2,372 posts)I'm not happy with the crack down on Occupy, the NSA spy scandal or this bizarre rush to be the worlds policeman the past few weeks.
I'm ecstatic that DADT is done and marriage equality is getting there.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)There are DUers who will hate any democrat who can actually get elected president and see it as proof that they are tools of the MIC.
SunSeeker
(51,557 posts)They don't want to be in a party that wins.
FSogol
(45,485 posts)They also seem to always pick the most long shot people to promote, like Kucinich or Bernie Sanders. Of course if Sanders or Dennis managed to become President, they still wouldn't be happy.
Promethean
(468 posts)I honestly don't have anything I hate. I don't constantly dwell on the subject. I don't put time towards planning on how I am going to deal with the subject, with as negative a response as I can consider. Hate is just too active.
Now dislike that I do a lot of. I dislike continuation of wars. I dislike drone strikes on populations far away ensuring that those people do have a genuine hatred of me and those I care about. I dislike for profit medical systems. I dislike the power mongering and childish one-upmanship that seems to be the entirety of our political system.
iandhr
(6,852 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)I think the BOG know down deep that their hero worship is not only psychotic but misguided, so name-calling with their fingers in their ears helps them function.
Everyone at DU voted for him. Twice. Most gave him lots of money to help get elected. Twice. Some believe that their money and votes entitles them to actually be represented by the president. Others think that he has to be worshipped regardless of how far right he moves or how many Republican policies he is on board with.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)when they say "well of course I voted for him"
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)TIA
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)president being worse than Satan. Maybe your cut & paste didn't work right.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Can't you read?
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Seriously, you are wayyyy too hypersensitive to critique. I suggest you begin engaging intellectually instead of taking everything personally. Then you would rise to the level of Obama 'support' rather than just lashing out at people who disagree with him.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)proposing SS cuts, union-busting, and more tax cuts for billionaires are really Dems.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and in your fantasy world excommunicate every Democrat to the right of Bernie Sanders.
(Who, by the way, voted for Obamacare and for the fiscal cliff deal, so I guess Socialist Bernie is too rightwing for your Democratic party).
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)next to Reagan. No Union Buster is a Democrat, no matter what fucking lingo they shout.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Is that the same guy who signed legislation authorizing him to detain any American citizen anywhere for whatever reason he wants?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)of Bernie Sanders. Not sure who you are ranting about, I'm talking about your favoring Union Busters, as you just did in your post. Those who don't accept Union Busters as Democrats you say are playing 'no true Scotsman'.
I'm talking about what YOU typed. I do not agree with YOU. You seem to support a definition of Democrat that includes 'Union Buster' and I do not support such a definition.
Perhaps you did not read the other poster's comment before you typed up your response?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)That is a thoroughly dishonest comment from you.
Last word is yours, you earned it with that one.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Bernie Sanders. It is what you typed. I do not agree. I think Union Busters are Reagan like and far to the right, Republicans in fact. You seem to be saying they should be welcome in the Democratic Party. Again, I'm not sure you actually read what you respond to, and again I ask that you review what you wrote and what you were responding to. Which is why I said you 'seem to be' holding the position that to not accept Union Busters as good Democrats is the 'no true Scotsman' fallacy.
I am a Union Member. Fuck Union Busters. Is that clear enough for you? I do not welcome them to our Party. You seem to be saying that we should. I do not agree.
Marr
(20,317 posts)He's a politician, and one that sold himself as something he was not during the campaigns.
Renew Deal
(81,859 posts)
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)confronting a discussion. Labeling someone you disagree with
as a hater railroads the discussion....nobody has a chance to
get a point across unless he/she is willing first, to defend oneself
and then get back to the point.
The people accusing others of hatred have a cozy place to
hide. I suggest they use that place to get all verklempt and
give those tiptoeing around their sensibilities a little space to
seriously discuss issues important to us. imho
(This is not directed at hootinholler).
edit...to check spelling
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Disagreeing with staying out of Walker's union destruction and pension theft = hate. Being pissed that he refused to let a Public Option be part of the HC discussion = hate. Fuming about the fact that a (D) president offered to cut SS and Medicare = hate.
oh, I forgot
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bvar22
(39,909 posts)...and approve this message.
---bvar22
Anyone who can NOT distinguish between advocating FOR an issue or policy and "hate" really isn't interested in a discussion.
I strongly disagree with Obama's "Centrist" position on many issues.
I don't hate him, and helped get him elected.
Inside my home, and in our community here,
I will freely express my disappointment & opposition based on Democratic Party Principles on many issues,
and strongly disagree with the "Privatized, Free Market, Small Government, Permanent Wartime Executive Power" direction he is taking the Party.
In any local discussions and in public, I am a strong advocate FOR the Democratic Party and vocal President Obama defender against the bullshit LIES popularized by the Right Wing around here, the REAL "haters".
("Yes he has a birth certificate.
"No, he isn't a Muslim."
"No, ObamaCare is NOT a Big Government TakerOver" (how ever much I wish it was).
"No, Obama is not a "socialist" (no mater how much I wish he were).
"No, ObamaCare is NOT costing you more. It doesn't start until 2014".
"Yes. You paid LESS taxes last year thanks to Obama's Payroll Tax Holiday."
And ON and On.)
[font color=firebrick size=3][center]"If we don't fight hard enough for the things we stand for,
at some point we have to recognize that we don't really stand for them."
--- Paul Wellstone[/font][/center]
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[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center][/font]
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)I found out about it here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3637240
Rex
(65,616 posts)For pissing off all the RIGHT people!
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)"shut the fuck up...shut the fuck up..."
Cha
(297,234 posts)
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)But I won't
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)Any criticism is proof of hatred. Viewing Him as anything short of infallible means you hate Him.
You're dealing with a religion. The very existence of heretics is going to piss them off.
Edited to add: The concept of salvation is kind of a bizarre reverse of Christianity's. Any future sin wipes past good deeds away. It doesn't matter how many times you've praised him for doing something good, a single criticism annihilates that and you now hate him and always have hated him.
PragmaticLiberal
(904 posts)If you don't criticize Him at every turn, you must worship Him.
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)The worshiping doesn't come from refraining from criticism...it comes from insisting that he may not be criticized at all. Stuff like labeling anyone that does criticize haters, lacking ponies, racist, etc.
iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)that doesn't mean you cant dislike the things he does or criticize him...
as the left, its kinda our job to keep up our demands and pressure for things we fundamentally believe in...
a living wage... single payer health care... stopping big pharma from make us depend on drugs that only relieve symptoms so they can make money instead of finding a cure... getting rid of private prisons that house non-violent drug offenders that should be at the very least be sent to treatment centers instead of prison cells...
I could go on but I really need to get going....
as far as Syria is concerned.. i totally consider myself a democratic socialist (i personally think that healthcare and energy should be nationalized.. and don't get me started on the rights attempts to destroy the public school system) ... but at the same time i understand the need for the threat of force when dealing with unstable people in the world.. i wish the world was perfect.. i wish human beings had evolved enough to the point where they understood how pointless killing is.. but that's just not the world we live in. people can be evil. people can be lustful. people can greedy. people need control. that's just part of human nature that's still with us..
you can take any sociopath with genocidal and homicidal tendencies throughout the history of the world and understand that these folks only respond to one thing. its not talking.
one day we will get there. one day we'll realize how futile it all is. that possessions are a temporary thing. that we should be striving as the HUMAN RACE to advance ourselves and extend our lifespans so that we can expand our minds even more and out into the universe!
but that day is not now. its not soon. i know i wont live to see it, not at this pace.
Doh, ive gone and written way to much and now im running late.. lmao.. oops! hope i didn't make too many typos!
take care everyone!
riqster
(13,986 posts)In keeping with the tone of the OP.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)criticism as from a hater. It is so tired and pathetic. They are usually the perfect candidate for my ignore vin diagram, idiot and an asshole.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)I must have read all those Hate Post in a Dream? or maybe it was a flash back or something... Glad its all Good now!
bvar22
(39,909 posts)so they MUST be "Haters",
because what else could it be??!!!
sheshe2
(83,770 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts) Peacetrain
(22,876 posts)just saying..
They may not hate him..but the impersonation is pretty damn good.
Lets see what I have read this week..he should be impeached.. brought up on war crimes.. baby killer.. oh there was a dandy yesterday.. country killer..
so you can take that COSTFU and have a cup yourself
Martin Eden
(12,867 posts)Based on threads and posts I've read at DU, it seems apparent that some people here think Obama serves the intersts of Wall Street and the MIC. They feel betrayed by a president they voted for and in whom they invested so much hope for the future.
I don't agree with that assessment of Obama but if if someone truly believes that and feels so terribly betrayed, it would be quite natural to hate the man.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)President (we worked for) to to BETTER which is like Bullying to throw us out of Dem Party...when we have worked all our lives for Democrats.
Trolls here are swiftly dispatched.......so why go after Dems who've been around here for years to try to make it seem that if they think Obama veers off course that THEY should be Trashed or Shut out from DU or Dem Party because we hold our Elected Reps and President's FEET TO FIRE...when they don't honor their Promises to those of us who Worked for Them with Feet on the Ground...Door to Door...gave money, and went to the Polls to Cast our VOTES!
What's with this "Hater Stuff" against fellow Democrats who want Obama to at least TRY HARDER to LIVE UP TO HIS PROMISE..of WHY WE ELECTED HIM...
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)Given some of the bile spewed on here. No, not everybody who refuses to worship him and/or support all of his policies is a "hater" but some of the comments I've seen here from time to time have seemed pretty hateful.
on point
(2,506 posts)JEB
(4,748 posts)Wish we could keep the discussion centered on the issues.
Rain Mcloud
(812 posts)I even thought up some unfortunate handles to stick on him.
Mark it down to disappointment as the end result is not what we expected.
I believe i said at one point,paraphrasing here:I wish we had the Candidate Obama instead of the President we got,or something like that.
I love the President. Period. There is no but.
Some of the things he has had to do in order to get one iota of cooperation out of the rethugs,i do abhor.
The good things that he has accomplished far,far,far out way the bad.
Besides,we were just one supreme court justice vote away from being saddled with President Granddad and the Wasilla Hillbilly and dodged another bullet with Rmoney and Scumbag Ruin,per Bush vs. Gore,though the landslide proportions of the victories negated the need for the whore court to butt in and override the will of the people again.
If i offended anyone in my remarks then you have my heartfelt and sincere apologies.
Believe it or not,we are actually on the same side,just not on the same side on every issue.
CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)NOBODY means not one person.
There are some.
But it's clear that a lot of people take the claim personally for one reason or another...whatever that reason may be.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)
quinnox
(20,600 posts)maybe there are one or two who feel that way, but they are a tiny, insignificant percentage. Most of us good progressives and liberals are unhappy about Obama's policies and the political direction he set, not the man himself. I have said many times, Obama is a very charming guy and charismatic.
gulliver
(13,180 posts)No one cares about intentions.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)but I'm beginning to truly dislike his immature fanbase. Not his supporters, mind you, but his fanbase. The people running around mocking the left and our stances, before then appropriating them for themselves when Obama comes around to our preferred outcome of diplomacy. The President would shudder at the kind of "support" he gets from some of the posters here.
A lot of what they think is hate for Obama is actually just pushback against their inane and insulting commentary. They can't tell the difference because they think they own Obama and whatever criticizes him insults them, and whatever insults them must then insult him, which insults them even more.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)They have made a group with Obama's name on it that bans well over a hundred people who voted for him, placed calls, knocked on doors....they have ownership. Of course they act in ways Obama would sternly reject, he who is moderately spoken even to Republicans who shout impeachment is not represented in the invective filled personal attacks launched in Obama's name.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Posts must include something other than sneering to be meaningful. Flamewars are no fun.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)jsr
(7,712 posts)Yes, that is a stupid accusation to make.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)mostly out of fear
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)My how DU has fallen! Agree with me or shut the fuck up. Aren't we the grown ups!
I feel sorry for those who don't hate Obama but have all day to post negative stuff about him, often based on mere speculation. Then all the others who don't hate Obama but love negativity join in and it's always a big lovefest. And by "lovefest" I mean cluster-fuck.
But at least these non-haters aren't bullies about it or anything. I mean, telling others to stfu isn't immature, bullying or assholish in any way so stop saying that!1!
Julie--who is sad to see DU devolve as it has
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)and other anti gay activists. Too bad you have so much empathy for Perkins that you can not find for DUers with whom you do not agree....
"It's so easy to demonize various people one disagrees with in one's own head. Such things are not so easy to maintain when you actually spend time with some who is different from you and come away realizing that they are just people like everyone else.
Here's hoping this meeting has such an effect.
Julie"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113714819
So much understanding for Perkins, of all people, along with the venom and negative framing of other DUers. Strikes me as odd.
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)I take issue with DUers who CONSTANTLY spew negativity toward Obama no matter what he does. But to say they hate the guy, well damn that's just not right. In fact, by using your gymnastic type reasoning...it makes me a homophobe??
OMG.
Julie
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)voted for him twice.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)
This was an interesting thread to read through.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)When they are no longer able to debate on any intellectual level. It's called, "Bottom Feeding."
Phlem
(6,323 posts)-p
Democat
(11,617 posts)Click a few threads.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)explain that!!
tblue
(16,350 posts)I spend 0 seconds even thinking about it. You're entitled. You don't need my blessing. I don't need to change your heart's desire like some kind of control freak. Why can't we just discuss issues like grownups and stop demeaning people?
Not picking on you, hootnholler. I mean everybody.
RitchieRich
(292 posts)I am on this site to interact with with people who are well informed, to raise up my own level of knowledge.
I turned my girlfriend on to this site. She used to lobby for Planned Parenthood in DC, and has zero interest in engaging with this community because of the school yard name calling and childish behavior. When I tell my politically active friends about this site now, it is with the disclaimer that they should just use it to view news and not engage.
beerandjesus
(1,301 posts)...it's just a bit of catharsis for those of us who are a bit sick of being accused of hating babies and loving Hitler.
RitchieRich
(292 posts)...as someone who only voted for him once, and isn't shy about speaking against his policies and the associated sense of betrayal.
Though I agree with the post in spirit, it seemed not to be starting a conversation/ debate, but a face punching contest.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)
I admit the graphic accompanying this OP is a bit over the top, but at least it adds some spice and zest to the message!
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)If Obama does something stupid I'm going to call him out on it. What others say won't change how I feel.
If he does something right and I support it then those that disagree will call me an apologist. Still won't change how I feel.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Spot-on regarding your messages.
Fascinating to see its meaning expressed so, uh, eloquently in the responses.
My 2-cents: I don't hate President Obama. I hate many of his policies.
It's been five years and the wars for profit continue to expand, the economy is still based on trickle-down, and the laws are enforced on a just-us basis.
I voted for the guy in order to bring change. There hasn't been much of it.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)I got tripped up by yet another thread addressed to the Obama Haters by one of the ultra-fans and it sort of blossomed.
I have to agree that is has become rather informative.
I didn't realize the campaign slogan was to be taken literally and we were voting for Hope of Change.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Not my hate:
Is This Barack Obama's 2nd Term? Is it Bill Clinton's 3rd? Or Is It Ronald Reagan's 9th?
They say that elections do matter, and that there are real differences between Republican and Democratic presidents. But backing up the view to 30 years, that difference looks a lot more like continuity, both at home and in America's global empire.
By Bruce A. Dixon
Black Agenda Report managing editor
The answer is yes to all three. Ronald Reagan hasn't darkened the White House door in decades. But his policy objectives have been what every president, Democrat and Republican have pursued relentlessly ever since. Barack Obama is only the latest and most successful of Reagan's disciples.
SNIP...
In Barack Obama's case all he had to say was that he wasn't necessarily against wars, just against what he called “stupid wars.” Corporate media and “liberal” shills morphed that lone statement into a false narrative that Barack Obama opposed the war in Iraq, making him an instantly viable presidential candidate at a time when the American people overwhelmingly opposed that war. Once in office, Barack Obama strove mightily to abrogate the Status of Forces Agreement with Iraq which would have allowed US forces to remain there indefinitely. But when the Iraqi puppet government, faced with a near revolt on the part of what remained of Iraqi civil society, dared not do his bidding, insisting that uniformed US troops (but not the American and multinational mercenaries we pay to remain there) stick to the withdrawal timetable agreed upon under Bush, liberal shills and corporate media hailed the withdrawal from Iraq as Obama's “victory.”
Barack Obama doubled down on the invasion and occupation of large areas of Afghanistan, and increased the size of the army and marines, which in fact he pledged to do during his presidential campaign. Presidential candidate Obama promised to end secret imprisonment and torture. The best one can say about President Obama on this score is that he seems to prefer murderous and indiscriminate drone attacks, in many cases, over the Bush policy of international kidnapping secret imprisonment and torture. The Obama administration's reliance on drones combined with US penetration of the African continent, means that a Democratic, ostensibly “antiwar” president has been able to openly deploy US troops to every part of that continent in support of its drive to control the oil, water, and other resources there.
The objectives President Obama's Africa policies fulfill today were put down on paper by the Bush administration, pursued by Bill Clinton before that, and still earlier pursued by Ronald Reagan, when it funded murderous contra armies of UNITA in Angola and RENAMO in Mozambque. It was UNITA and RENAMO's campaigns, assisted by the apartheid regimes of Israel and South Africa that pioneered the genocidal use of child soldiers. Today, cruise missile liberals hail the Obama administration's use of pit bull puppet regimes like Uganda, Burundi and Rwanda, all of which shot their way into power with child soldiers, to invade Somalia and Congo, sometimes ostensibly to go after other bad actors on the grounds that they are using child soldiers.
CONTINUED...
http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/barack-obamas-2nd-term-it-bill-clintons-3rd-or-it-ronald-reagans-9th
Never give up, Hoot! The real haters may have the money and the guns on their side. We've got the truth.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Reagan is still president because his policies are intractably ingrained in our policies.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)We have a number of high post count DUers who literally have nothing positive to say about Obama EVER, and usually many negative things.
I'm not sure whether they are bitter about him defeating Hillary in the primary still, or they are closet racists, or they are deep undercover RW trolls. But we do have them.
6000eliot
(5,643 posts)Response to hootinholler (Original post)
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OregonBlue
(7,754 posts)walking the fine line that keeps them from getting banned but rest assured, there are Obama haters on DU.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)and no one thought zimpig was innocent on this site either.
polichick
(37,152 posts)and don't like his pro-corporate policies every bit as much as his pro-people policies, and if we don't think he's the smartest, most wonderful, coolest, most handsome, nicest, kindest, purest person in ANY room EVER - then we fucking hate him.
That's how a lot of DUers roll. So bizarre.
paulrandfu
(35 posts)Obama really hasn't done much for the average joe or jane but wall street and the filthy rich are doing great.
Hekate
(90,686 posts)truedelphi
(32,324 posts)
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)I'm in MIRT, and I've seen a great deal of hatred for Obama. If people don't hate him, they sure are doing a good imitation of it. If anyone called me the names that have been levied against the President, I would have nothing to do with them as long as I lived. What's most astounding is that people felt that was necessary to buttress their anti-war position.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)
Nice post, Hitler!
beerandjesus
(1,301 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)e.g. authoritarian defenders engage in a quite juvenile manner..name calling, deliberately (it would seem to me) deflecting from the actual topic at hand, and so forth.
But this is nothing new on the internet, unfortunately.
wryter2000
(46,045 posts)Because some folks here say Obama's worse than Bush. I don't know about you, but I hate Bush.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Much an exercise in futility.
The Powers that Be are who I hate. And they will utilize whomever is necessary to serve as the epitome of the "gestalt" of the times.
Colbert suggested that in the not so distant future that person will be Pres. Honey Boo Boo, and I am sure if I live that long, I will then look back with fondness on Pres. Obama.
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)You don't have to continue and put a better point on it. It would be best.
Response to hootinholler (Original post)
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Kolesar
(31,182 posts)welcome to DU!
leftstreet
(36,108 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)It's what makes DU so special.
Hekate
(90,686 posts) 
grantcart
(53,061 posts)with one or another of the things that the President has done and do not hate the President it is not true that there are not many people posting here who despise the President and accuse him of not simply bad policy but being dishonest and a 'sell out'.
This animus is ubiquitous and is seen in many forms, not the least of which is the constant ridiculing and hatred of those that admire the personal qualities of the President and to suggest otherwise is absurd but I understand that many don't want to be associated with that group.
I will say that the "shut the fuck up comment" is typical of the type derogatory condescending adolescent content free type of boosterism that is becoming increasing fashionable at DU, much to its detriment.
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