Are you in favor of banning public sector workers from wearing turbans, yarmulkes, headscarves,

[Nye Bevan]

and other religious items?

(Assume that there are no safety issues).

Personally I find it shocking that anybody would be in favor of this kind of religious bigotry.

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	Yes, it is OK to ban turbans, yarmulkes, headscarves and other religious items from public sector workplaces.
	1 (17%)
	No, it is not OK to ban these items from public sector workplaces.
	5 (83%)
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[HappyMe]

1. Oh hell no.

None of those head coverings are hurting anyone.

[ZombieHorde]

2. No, unless there was a safety issue involved. nt

[Xyzse]

12. This is where I'm at

If they are wearing a hijab while being a short order cook... I don't know if that is going to work for safety issues of course.

[Lizzie Poppet]

17. Agreed. Barring safety issues, it's just silly to ban such things.

Such personal statements of religious affiliation are just that: personal. They in no way constitute "establishment of religion."

FWIW, I'm an atheist...

[snooper2]

3. I saw something funny a little while back

Was in the parking lot at Kroger smoking a bowl before going inside...

I saw a woman putting her groceries in the back of a minivan, put the cart back, then she went back to her van with the gate still open and pulled out something and started putting in on, her burqa LOL...

Then she closed the gate hopped in and drove away


I assume she was planning on her husband being home

[HappyMe]

4. Maybe she's tired of people staring at her.

That is kind of funny.

[snooper2]

5. Or maybe it's a pain in the ass to see things when you are shopping..

Either way,

I wasn't going to interview her I only had enough smoke for myself

[HappyMe]

6. lol!

A woman in a burka getting stoned would be kind of funny too.

[The Straight Story]

7. Hmm if I say no people might call me a libertarian, if I say yes I am anti-xyz

If the turban is made somewhere that does not use slave labor and it has been tested by the cdc and other such places to prove that when it was made the factory in no way harmed the environment (2nd hand production) and/or added cancer producing chemicals to the atmosphere (unlike what our cars do, our electric use, etc) then it would be ok to issue the a permit to wear it.

I don't want to be forced to work next to someone who has no practical reason to wear a funny hat that may contain cancer causing agents. If they want to please their god to avoid eternal torment and such they can do it in their places of worship.

AND just think, those people work for the government and are therefore promoting their faith. I don't want to hear your myths about moses (some main religions share the idea that he existed so I am picking on him today), see your dangling execution device around your neck, etc....

ok, some sarcasm in all of that for the SI (sarcasm impaired). I don't think we should ban it as long as we can see the person. The it becomes more a practical concern.

[gopiscrap]

8. No but if you do then you'll need to ban crosses

Star of David and other religious apparal

[One_Life_To_Give]

9. It depends

Does the turban, headscarf or other interfere with the fire-helmet, nomex hood or affect the fit of the facemask?

there are a handful of very specific safety issues which may take precedence over religious freedom. Otherwise the Free Exercise specified in the first amendment is the law of the land, as it should be.

[Nye Bevan]

11. I will edit to say assume that there are no safety issues.

[cthulu2016]

10. Does this dress freedom apply to all choices, or only religion?

Hard to see why what one person chooses because they choose it should be any less protected than religious garb.

The double standard is a worse establishment problem than its alternative is a free exercise problem.

Guess it depends one whether one sees society as more an aggregate of individuals or an aggregate of religions.

[A HERETIC I AM]

13. Any religion that requires....

goofy headgear, goofy haircuts, goofy clothing or goofy facial hair is to be avoided.

But I defend someones right to look goofy, as long as it doesn't harm or have the potential to harm me or anyone else.

BTW, I define "goofy" as anything fucking goofy.

[Live and Learn]

14. I'm in favor of a ban on banning stuff

unless the stuff poses a real and verifiable danger to the environment or the critters inhabiting it.

[SheilaT]

15. Only if we can also ban

the backward baseball cap.

Now THAT'S a dreadful look.

[Nye Bevan]

16. To illustrate who the minority of "yes" voters are allying themselves with:

Oregon Repeals KKK Ban on Religious Clothing for Teachers

Oregon Governor Ted Kulongoski signed the repeal of a Ku Klux Klan-inspired law that forbade Oregon teachers from wearing religious dress in public schools. Under the 87-year old law, which was passed to prevent Catholic nuns from teaching in public schools, Orthodox Jewish teachers could not wear yarmulkes, Sikh teachers could not wear turbans, and Muslim women teachers could not wear headscarves.

The Oregon legislature moved to repeal the law after The Becket Fund for Religious Liberty and a coalition of interfaith, civil rights, and bar association organizations urged the immediate repeal of the discriminatory Oregon law in a letter to state legislative leaders.

”The Becket Fund was indispensable in getting this KKK law repealed, especially by discrediting some of the wilder legal claims made by opponents of the repeal,” said Rajdeep Singh, Director of Law and Policy at The Sikh Coalition, a national Sikh civil rights organization. “Sikhs across the country are thankful for The Becket Fund’s stalwart defense of religious freedom for all.”

Led by the Oregon ACLU, many supporters of the ban on religious clothing claimed that allowing public school teachers to wear religious clothing would lead to the indoctrination of children in the classroom. In her Washington Post online column, Becket Fund Legal Fellow Asma Uddin took the ACLU to task for supporting a KKK law by using KKK tactics.

http://catholicexchange.com/oregon-repeals-kkk-ban-on-religious-clothing-for-teachers/