Going without TV for a month was an "eyeopening" event

[Peacetrain]

Yep I know that is a strange play on words.. but.. we did it.. and are the better for it no doubt! ( we have tried this before for a couple of days or a week..and you really need to cut the cord for a longer time than that to get the benefits)

Thank you thank you to the DUers who kept John and I apprised of happenings .. but I have to admit.. my blood pressure has got to be 30 points lower.

We have the TV back today.. but got rid of extended cable and have reception only which is our local stations and IPTV and a couple of other little stations..

In some ways I think I am actually better informed than I was before.. being a normal human being.. all the yelling and squawking would affect my outlook also.. it was just hard to get to the truth with all the noise.

I know a number of you have given up TV.. ( I did a thread a few weeks ago about giving it up and got lots of good advice and encouragement)

Even John is okay with it..but happy to be able to watch his sports again

But if you ever feel like everything is spinning out of control.. turn off the TV .. and do research on your own on a subject.. or ask others who have links.. it really is helpful in figuring things out..

Before someone asks.. the reason I am putting this in GD is because what was affecting our (and I am adding John to this) understanding of current events was the silliness of the group talk on TV.

It really is a worthwhile experiment.

[KG]

1. 15+ years for me...

[Peacetrain]

2. That is amazing

You are a much more disciplined person than me..that is for sure..

[KG]

7. I watch TV, but haven't had one since about '97

[Caretha]

79. Me too

It's not something I normally tell people, you get the strangest looks. When co-workers or friends start talking about tv shows, I have no idea who or what they are talking about.

[seabeyond]

3. 2004. but, my son drew me back with the big bang theory. only time i will plant in

front of the tv

[Peacetrain]

4. I have to admit.. I love B B Theory too

and the other one is Elementary..those are the two that I usually do not miss.. that was the one good thing about taking that month off in the summer.. those two shows were all repeats..

[Vashta Nerada]

36. I love that show, but the laugh track is really annoying.

[Demo_Chris]

5. We have not had TV for almost 20 years

I have my books and the internet.

[avebury]

6. Do you have a link to the thread

where other people gave you advice and encouragement? I must have missed that thread and would be interested in reading what others had to say.

Thanks!

[Peacetrain]

59. Here you go avebury

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023535447



Lots of encourgement

[sufrommich]

8. Why would TV affect your understanding

of current events? You have the same capabilities to search out differing opinions and news sources with or without television.

[KurtNYC]

16. For me, it is all the noise and fear mongering

very little real news and lots of opinion and speculation. TV pimps false values 24/7, not just the ads but many of the programs. "News" wise with TV: the more you watch, the less you know (mostly because of the bogus frames they put on issues and the total avoidance of real news). TV is a sales medium, even when what they are selling is ideas and political viewpoints.

The amount of real information delivered per hour in a passive medium like TV is very small compared to a proactive environment like the net.

[dixiegrrrrl]

31. Your last sentence.....EXACTLY!!!

99% of the info. I want and get is via computer, and e-books.

My house is blessedly silent ( cept for the dog barking at the mailman)
Hours and hours of peaceful silence enable me to focus on reading all over the net for news, opinion, humor, etc.
Did I mention the much lower cost of ISP vs. tv connection?
Plenty of tv clips all over the net.

TV is a dinosaur, IMHO.

[hunter]

70. Go without for awhile.

It's all propaganda and advertising. The core premise of the entire enterprise is false. The "news" is trying to sell you something as much as the advertisements are. Most of the programs themselves are trying to sell you something.

I often think it's the smell that's missing, that's what makes television hypnotizing... seriously. You see all this stuff: the Emergency Room, the run-down nursing home, the shootings, the crappy student housing, the bag-lady... be it news, comedy, or drama, and it all smells like your comfortable home.

A writer can convey that reality -- the smell of bowel and blood and a hundred other awful things in an ambulance taking a shooting victim to the hospital, the putrid gagging awfulness of an abandoned building used by drug addicts, or the house of an animal hoarder. But nope, on television it's all safe behind the glass, our instinctive emotional gut responses dulled.

I also think of the time involved. Other people are choosing what you see and hear on televison. But reading news, or even posts on DU, it's easy to skip over the stuff I consider "noise." When I'm forced to suffer a television news program, in the breakfast room of a chain hotel, for example, most of this news is noise. Blather.

Television disconnects us from the world and desensitizes us to some of the harsher realities of the world.

Other people have said it better, but my personal experience of going without television has been illuminating. I've got no cable, no satellite, and I'm not even watching broadcast television. Occasionally we'll watch a movie on DVDs we rent from the Redbox or find in thrift stores. That's it. Time I might have spent watching television I'm reading. I've got a simple e-book and there's a wealth of free material at places like gutenberg.org, more than anyone could hope to read in a lifetime. I buy books too, virtual and paper, but never spend so much as I would on basic cable service.

[Jesus Malverde]

9. Going on 3 years without the box

I hear there are TV shows of people cooking meth under domes while they hunt for ghosts but I don't see or miss them.

[TlalocW]

10. I'm closing in on 20 years

Without regular TV watching. I've never had cable. I finally bought a flat screen last year because I was tired of lugging around the old analog set. It's used for DVDs (and tapes) of movies and (mainly) tutorials for magic and balloon twisting (side business). Now I do work from home so I normally have something playing on the desktop computer (normally re-runs of Mystery Science Theater 3000 but sometimes more up-to-date stuff like Pawn Stars), and I love my Daily Show and Colbert Show clips, but I honestly feel smarter reading my news and opinions, and I try to take in what the other side is saying too, and honestly, I get more, "Huh, I never thought of that," moments reading Joe Average's take on things than the professional pundits' malarkey.

TlalocW

[Jenoch]

11. Going without TV is easy.

If you wish to attempt to make a real sacrifice, go without your cell phone and internet for say, three days.

[jollyreaper2112]

13. I'm doing it now

Been two days and....shit!

[Pretzel_Warrior]

24. Lol

Reminds me of Zach Galifiniakis' character, the forgetful vegan.

"hey guys, this meat lover's pizza is really good--awww fuck!"

[jollyreaper2112]

12. Drives me nuts when people put stuff on for no reason

Taking care of girlfriend with sprained knee this week. She's watching live commercial television.

What's on?

Futurama.

You have netflix. This TV is connected to Netflix. Futurama is on Netflix. Why aren't you watching there?

I don't know.

*brain explodes*

She works in finance and always has bloomberg on. Not much to do you substitute for live TV on in the background, even though I find the coverage repellent. But if it's a canned show that is available from a commercial-free source, WTF? Why are you not watching there?

[Blue_Adept]

20. Because...

So many people have capped internet per month for usage? And using Netflix takes that down?

[jollyreaper2112]

26. nope

she's uncapped.

[Blue_Adept]

35. Right, but...

It was phrased in a more general way as to "why do people do that?"

And if they're in the US, even uncapped has a cap and can cause problems with throttling and the like.

And just human nature to go with what's right in front of you instead of expending effort.

[REP]

39. The new Futurama episodes aren't on Netflix yet

Dammit.

[MuseRider]

14. Still have TV and enjoy it but

I stopped watching the TV for news around the time Kerry was being swift boated. It got to be too much. For a while our house guest HAD to come downstairs to watch MSNBC and my husband got hooked again. Thankfully he has come back around. I get my news here and various other places but find the TV news to be nothing but partisan hacks screaming at each other or just bending the news with opinions that I can do without. It makes me crazy. When hubby does turn it on I go to another place in the house or leave. I understand about the blood pressure, it is amazing how much better I feel. I can't watch local news because it is just stupid and silly and childish most of the time, it seems to be what the public wants around here.

There are far better ways to get news and it is so much easier to make up your own mind about things when you are not attached to a personality that you enjoy. I miss Rachael because I always loved her but....can't do it anymore.

Glad you came through this and feel better.

[dixiegrrrrl]

45. Rachel shows can be found on internet the next day

as can Daily show and others.

Mr. Dixie was raised on tv, could not imagine life wiithout it.
I made a deal with him.
We would unplug for 3 months, in the summer, and if he simply could not bear it, we could always turn it back on.

Me..I am all computer and headphones.
Him...loud blaring tv even if he was not in room.

So, 3 months later, after he realized what he could watch on the computer, we gave away the old tv sets.
Turns out the guy was getting hard of hearing, and he found HIS headphones were helful

win-win...quiet house, no cable bill.

[SheilaT]

48. Rachel actually shows up on the MSNBC website

a couple of hours after her live broadcast.

There are few things that make me crazier than to visit someone who has the TV on all the time. I do understand why many like to watch it, but there's a total lack of discrimination that's disturbing.

Oh, and the fact that in most households there are TVs in almost every room. Bad idea.

[MuseRider]

55. Cool for your husband

and for you.

Ya, I know I can get Rachel on the computer but it is that kind of show I abhor. Love her, hate political shows. I was addicted, totally and completely addicted to all those shows starting early on but mainly after the selection process of Bush**. I could not turn them off then one day, when the swift boaters were being given all the credit due to a consummate truth teller I caught myself feeling really badly physically and I knew I had had enough.

I suppose if I want opinion I can always catch one or two but I don't, I have my own. It may be flawed in some people's eyes but it was come to honestly with eyes open to all sides. I just can't do the pundits anymore

[idwiyo]

15. Getting close to 20 years. :)

[catrose]

41. a little more than that for me

it's lovely.

[mike_c]

17. try it for 20+ years to really clear out the clutter and noise....

Seriously. If you went back, then you didn't turn it off for long enough. There's a point where you begin to feel like an ex-smoker, like if you ever do that again it'll make you gag.

[fadedrose]

18. I don't know if I could live that long without commericals....

[Locrian]

19. Watch about an hour of netflix (usually old movies) a day at night

with the wife. Anything else with commercials etc just drives me crazy now.

I don't know how people do it. After being away it's easy to feel the manipulation. And it's not just the commercials, it's how the shows push things and how it gets into peoples subconscious. Seems the sitcoms are the worst.

[fadedrose]

21. There used to be a law

or something that limited the number of minutes commercials are allowed, I think, anyway.

But somehow that doesn't seem to be the case, and I think that commercials now exceed the amount of program time...

[Pretzel_Warrior]

22. I have not had TV since around April

I love it. I was glad to have TV for 2012 Olympics and the presidential election cycle, but it is such a godawful waste of time and money. You can quickly lower your standards and lose perspective.

Now seeing TV's on in banks, waiting rooms, etc turns my stomach.

We watch DVD's, will watch shows on Netflix from time to time.... But I think the earliest we might get cable or satellite is 2016!

[RebelOne]

23. I couldn't do it.

In June, we had some bad storms here in Georgia. A tornado hit close by and knocked out all the power. It was almost three days before I had my power back. I was climbing the walls with no TV, no Internet and no lights. I am lucky that I have a small battery-powered DVD player. That little gadget saved my sanity.

[Rex]

25. No TVEE for about 5 years now.

Maybe longer or slightly shorter...I forget, but one thing that I do not miss is cable. The WWW has completely taken over my entertainment and news needs now.

[Egalitarian Thug]

27. If you keep it off much longer you probably won't go back, ever.

Once you've flushed the crap from your mind, being exposed to it again becomes offensive. I found I couldn't even get through a Broncos game because the commercials were so frequent and so insulting.

OTOH, you find that you often have no idea what people are talking about.

I'll bet you have already noticed how much time people spend talking about TV.

[SheilaT]

28. I'm a little over five years without TV.

This is the second time in my life without one. I didn't have one from 1972 to 1979, and the only reason I got one after that lovely time was that I moved in with the man I later married, and he had TV.

One of my friends back then assumed that I would be singularly uninformed about news events, and every time he quizzed me he was astonished to learn that I knew at least as much as he did about stuff. I read the Washington Post every day and subscribed to a weekly news magazine. Plus, I read lots of books. Lots and lots of books so I knew all sorts of stuff in reasonable depth.

This go-around started when I relocated after a divorce, didn't want to spend the money on either the screen or the cable/satellite service. I don't ever expect to have a TV again. The rare times I watch regular TV I'm astonished at how much time is lost to commercials. Thanks to the internets, I get to watch just about anything I want to. I also have Netflix. So what if I have to wait a few months for a particular series to become available?

And I'm actually less cut off from real news than I would be with regular TV. I totally miss out when, say, an over-the-hill Pop Star Pedophile dies and all stations think this is important enough to go to wall-to-wall coverage. On the other hand, when, say, a Congresswoman gets shot, the local TV stations in that city go to live streaming coverage, so I can watch as much as I care to. I don't get caught up in whatever that silliness involving Miley Cyrus was about. Whatever it was, I can't imagine it was more important than whether or not we go to war with (or over) Syria, whether or not Republicans in Congress will totally fuck up everything in sight, whether or not the wealthy pay their fair share of taxes. And so on.

Every morning I wake up to Amy Goodman. I also try to watch Rachel Maddow every night. I also listen to BBC news which comes on after Amy. People around me often ask my opinion because they consider me very well informed. Can't begin to imagine why they think that.

I would strongly encourage you to try going a lot longer than a month. Try three months, and I can almost guarantee that at the end of that time you won't go back at all.

[dixiegrrrrl]

47. You and me both...indeed.

btw...I find that Breakingnews.com keeps me up to date on almost everything that is happening, in headline style, in the country
and is easy and fast to glance at during the day.
Then I come to DU and find someone has posted the story!!!

Between the 2 sites, I don't feel I miss a lot of rapidly developing current stuff.

[zazen]

29. maybe after the series finale of Breaking Bad

I mean, what can top that?

I mute anything that remotely bills itself as "news" on the TV anyway. I use it as a device to watch streaming documentaries, films, and PBS series. Still, it's much lazier than reading, to be sure. Wish I weren't so hooked.

Maybe I'll "quit" after I watch this show called _The Wire_ everyone's been raving about. Yeah, right.

[Skittles]

30. I watch very little TV (no cable)

and when I am at a friend's and catch really popular shows I am shocked at how much they suck

[Peacetrain]

62. no kidding ..they are terrible

it is just a waste of time.. and it surprises me how easily a person can be drawn into watching the stupidest things.. so getting rid of the extended cable (we have to keep reception otherwise we would not get local stations here.. we are on a hill and the antennas do not work for us) was a piece of cake after no tv for a month..

[pinto]

32. Went TV-less for 4 years, '82 - '86. Didn't miss it much, save for baseball.

But was used to listening to play-by-play on radio, so it wasn't that big of deal. One interesting thing - I was clueless when co-workers talked or joked about a recent TV show, sitcom episode, etc. I didn't "get it". They were a bit surprised that I didn't watch TV.

[Peacetrain]

65. That was my John's biggest complaint

he missed his sports shows.. but he is good now with just the local stations.. he will get to see some of his games.. I think play by play on the radio is awesome personally..

[pinto]

67. I really like good play-by-play. Even now with TV and a gazillion channels, I'll

put on a game, sound off, with the radio feed.

[Lex]

33. No CNN, MSNBC, or the like for me.

I got really caught up in it a few years ago, hanging on to every word from Olbermann, Maddow, etc. Now I get my news online (checking a few times a day) and check in here every day. I didn't cut the cable, just no more CNN or MSNBC unless it's a major news-breaking event.

[yuiyoshida]

34. I have gone 10 years without TV

never was a fan of something I could not interact with.

[Vashta Nerada]

37. I wouldn't know what to do if I gave up television.

Seriously.

My whole outside-of-school-and-work life revolves around it.

Sigh.

However, I don't watch the major news networks. I find it to be nothing but noise.

[SheilaT]

51. There's an entire world of things to do

that aren't watching TV.

Play a sport. Read a book. Learn to play an instrument. Volunteer at a homeless shelter. Paint a picture. Knit. Crochet. Embroider. Take a class at the community college. Go for a walk. Learn to sew. Visit a National Park.

If you do nothing outside of work besides watch TV and post here on DU, you are missing out on a lot of stuff.

[mindwalker_i]

38. I've tried to set up TV

through MythTV, and by having an actual TV, and I just can't get myself to watch it. The whole way that I used to turn the thing on, look through channels, etc. is just not happening any more. Worse, when I have turned on the (real) TV, just to make sure it worked, I was astounded at the crap that was on it and quickly gave up.

In a very real sense, TV is mind control, mostly to turn you into a consumer but also, to instill values into you that are beneficial for you to have from the point of view of the rich people who own the stations.

[Blue_In_AK]

40. I'd been off TV now for about three weeks

helping with new grand baby. The kids have Netflix anyway, and we just haven't had time to watch, since everyone crashes out about 8 p.m. in anticipation of being awakened 10 or 15 times during the night. I have to admit, though, that I'll be happy to catch up on Breaking Bad and Dexter when I get home. I haven't watched cable news in months and am better for it.

[Peacetrain]

64. well now that is better than any tv news

show.. CONGRATULATIONS!!

[Blue_In_AK]

75. Thank you. She's a beauty.

When I get back to Anchorage, I'll be posting some pics of her and her beautiful family in the Photo Group. Check them out toward the end of the month. I've got some great shots.

There's nothing better than being a grandparent.

[PowerToThePeople]

42. around 2002 for me

good job.

[MynameisBlarney]

43. Good for you!

But why go back?
I've been without tv for about 3 years.

[Peacetrain]

61. My poor husband was so good about this

he comes home from work and wants nothing more than to sit down in front of the tv and chillax .. but he loves college football and of course the world series coming up.. (to tell you the truth, I love watching the series too).. so we took back just the reception part ..

I do NOT miss the other stations at all.. not a bit.. could have watched them today.. but I am listening to Science Friday right now..

I am very impressed with everyone who does not have the all seeing eye in their house..

[MynameisBlarney]

66. I do miss watching football sometimes

but then I remember how insulting the commercials are.
What I really miss though, is my SyFy Channel Cheesy Movie Weekends.

But, I have since found other useless things to waste time on, lol.

[mick063]

44. I watch sports and Science channel

That about covers it for me. I like "In to the Wormhole", but it doesn't come close to what Carl Sagan produced with "Cosmos".

I spend a great deal more time on my computer than in front of the television. Usually, I DVR sporting events and then watch them later, skipping past advertisements.

If forced to watch advertisements, I would stop watching television altogether. I won't waste precious minutes of my life watching advertisements.

[KansDem]

46. Gave up cable in 1996

Cable provider was upping rates and cutting choices.

We still watch movies and TV shows via DVDs checked out from the library. And a few purchased over the years (like all six seasons of the Rockford Files!).

Don't miss it one bit...

[elleng]

49. Glad you enjoyed the experiment,

am going through the same thing now, but just for a few days, until I have directv connected at my new digs. Aside from Rachel and O'donnell, I use tv for entertainment, PBS largely, and not for news.

[Peacetrain]

63. I don't know how to really explain it well ellen

it really was a freeing experiment.. it had a LOT of good effects come out of it.. including getting John to agree to get rid of extended cable..

[DeSwiss]

50. I quit in 2001.

K&R

[Berlum]

52. Cut the cable & starve the corporate Beast (R)

save money, save your brain -- and starve the corporate machine spewing propaganda and spin 24/7.

You will be so glad you did.

[1-Old-Man]

53. I would not be without one. But I don't watch the News, don't watch any of the talking heads either

First off there is C-Span, and it alone is worth the price of a TV and such service as is necessary to watch it. Then there are the movie channels, cooking channels, home improvement channels, and yes, even the Military and History channels now and then.

There is nothing wrong with a television, and in fact the great shame of our times is that the TV is not used as an educational tool, a task to which is is incredibly well suited.

[RebelOne]

72. I could not be without one either.

C-Span is my go-to channel in the morning. I love Washington Journal. And I also watch the Food Network channel. Oh, and my other favorite is the Sci-Fi channel. The only news I watch is the local Atlanta news channel.

I also must have the TV for background sound even if I am not watching it. I don't feel connected unless I have my TV and Internet.

[Inkfreak]

78. Agreed. It's all in how ya use the tool.

There is a wealth of good programming on tv. I have never watched The Kardadhians or trash tv like it. I don't blame the tv for it. It doesn't affect me. Besides, I find people who swear off tv usually substitute it for Internet & netflicks. That way they get the satisfaction of looking down on
tv and still get to be entertained.

You can find a whole hell of a lot of trash on the Internet too.

[Bryn]

54. Not everyone here can hear

and be able to listen to radio. Are you listening to radio?

Also I need TV for videophone. I like watching Weather Channel, Classic movies, BCC, etc. I use my computer the most for news.

[Peacetrain]

60. I have 2 brothers who are hearing impaired

and I understand what you are saying.. CC is near and dear to their hearts.. I use interpreter services or text when talking to my brothers.. so I am hearing.. and yep listen the radio.. in fact I am listening to NPR right now..

[NRaleighLiberal]

56. we've been pretty much off it for 6 years. Last week, I stayed at a hotel -

and spent about 10 minutes spinning through the 50 channel selection. It was sickening to me - I felt like a weird voyeur into all sorts of bizarre worlds and lifestyles....not to mention the plastic talking heads and endless advertising. I turned it off.

Six years ago, when I "was retired", we decided to get rid of all but basic cable. And that means essentially turning off TV because there isn't much of anything on basic cable (less than 20 channels).

We feel as if our quality of life has improved significantly, that there is more meaning, that we engage our brains more, engage each other more, engage in the world more.

Once you leave TV, you become aware of how manipulating and distorting it is; how much of a tool to get people to think, buy, fall in line with whatever is being shown - if you take a peek back at it years later. In that 10 minutes in the hotel room, I felt like I was fouled. It was a relief to turn it off again.

[MoreGOPoop]

57. Two years for me without

the "slime from the video, oozing along
on my living-room floor".

Viva Zappa!

[AlbertCat]

58. Listen to music! rather than watch TV.

I don't know hardly anyone who LISTENS to music. Oh it's on in the background 24/7.... but that's not listening.

I mean sit down and listen to the music. Not while doing the dishes or driving or playing Angry Birds.

Just sit in a chair and listen.

Of course this tends to work best with Classical or Jazz.... two genres about theme and variation, harmony and changing forms (as opposed to a lot of lyrics).... but I love R&R and Reggae and am getting into Blues....because I sat down and started LISTENING to the Blues.

Then you can watch a hour or two of TV..... (if you've finished your homework)

P.S. I often get, when listening to classical especially, "I don't want to analyze the music... I just like to listen." But listening IS analyzing the music! If you noticed when AFI sings the second verse there's some vocal variation or they are repeating the chorus again.... you just analyzed the music.

[Coyotl]

68. Nothing compared to watching it again after 17 years without seeing a show.

Everything seemed like social conditioning propaganda and suddenly you realize why people behave as they do.

While deep in the Amazon far from roads, etc., I went without newspapers (not to mention shoes), just a few radio stations with news. One time I disboarded the small plane that had lifted me to the nearest town with a road. A kid offered me a newspaper for sale with a headline, "War Ends, 70,000 Dead." I bought it to find out who had a war.

[avebury]

69. I have found myself weaning off TV more

and more. I used to have a long list of shows that I watch but have really started cutting back. I just don't want to spend all my time in front of the TV.

My furbaby family has been declining and I am left with one cat and one dog. The dog doesn't want to be outside by himself anymore and since his sister passed away I take him on a lot more walks (which is good for both of us). I spend more time working in the backyard so that Toby and get more outdoor time. I read or listen to a lot more books. I can see myself heading towards a TVless life some day.

[greendog]

71. 38 years for me.

Gave it up in high school when one of my teachers mentioned that she didn't watch.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

73. Good for you!

Cutting the cord is the first step for a society that wants to be unbiasedly informed, discuss, make its own decisions, and then Tell our politicians exactly how we want things done. TV enables the reverse of this process, and as a whole we've come to accept it. Its not healthy.

Besides, if there is one or two shows that you really enjoy there are ways around it. Simply only watch those shows and thats it. Or find them on the internet (though not always legal). Or go over to a friends house to watch it, or go to a sports bar to watch the game and socialize with others.

[gopiscrap]

74. That would be tough however I went with out tv from

November 76 to January 77 and January 77 to August 77

[Cha]

76. What's a tv?

I haven't had one for 3 years. My laptop does everything.

Peacetrain~

[Peacetrain]

77. Good morning Cha!

That is my son.. he does not own a tv either.. that is exactly what he says.. if he needs to see anything he can do it with his computer..

[Johnny Ready]

80. Amazing What You Can Create Without TV on Your Mind

I gave up tv in 2009. I suggest to all of my creative friends they should do the same. Nice to hear I am not the only one who notices the difference.

I seem to learn more by doing my own research on the net, that was a good point.

[Peacetrain]

81. could not agree more about the impact on the creative

side.

[PotatoChip]

82. Just basic cable here for the past several years.

A $19/month package. I'm thinking of getting rid of it, though.

If the tv is on at all, it's usually just for CSpan Book TV (airs on weekends). And PBS 'World' which often has some good documentaries.

[Peacetrain]

83. that is where we are at PotatoChip

the basic.. they call it reception only around here.. not missing that extended at all.. there was nothing on it to be honest with you..

[riderinthestorm]

84. 22 years for this family. Lots more time for reading and thinking. Love it nt