So far, President Obama has Managed to Disarm Syria Without a Single Shot Being Fired.

[LaydeeBug]

That doesn't make him *anything* to Putin other than his teacher.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/15/world/middleeast/syria-talks.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

[LWolf]

1. Did you think he would fire one? nt

[LaydeeBug]

3. I mean...it was a metaphor...but here, I'll change the title for you. nt

[leveymg]

18. Do you think we had nothing to do with starting and arming the civil war? We have blood on other

people's hands, but we might as well have pulled the triggers, ourselves.

[LaydeeBug]

23. "we might as well have" is NOT the same as "we did" nt

[leveymg]

35. Morally, it's probably worse. There's nothing to celebrate about this.

[LaydeeBug]

39. *probably* worse? Good *LORD* And there *is* cause to celebrate. We averted a war. nt

[leveymg]

41. We also started and fueled a civil war in which 100,000 people died that has spread in the region.

This isn't just about American lives. Wars are just as bad if its foreign people who have to die. Worse because it was entirely optional, and happened largely because some people at Foggy Bottom and Langley had an agenda to change regimes.

[orpupilofnature57]

2. Imagine our country if Shrub had done that with WMD ?

[LaydeeBug]

5. Honestly. What if W had demanded proof instead of going to war

but war crimes don't apply to the rich and famous and sociopaths can be charming.

[Uncle Joe]

4. It will take teamwork between both the Obama Administration and Putin

via the United Nations for that to become a realization.

But I defer to Yogi Berra

"It ain't over til it's over."

Thanks for the thread, LaydeeBug.

[derby378]

6. Syria is still sitting on all of those beautiful, shiny chemical warheads

So, uh, no, they're not "disarmed" yet. But let's hope this trend continues.

[LaydeeBug]

8. ...that they have to turn over in a week, as per the link in the OP

but yes, let's hope it continues

[former9thward]

14. They don't have to turn over any weapons in a week.

Try and keep up with the actual news.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

20. Actually reading the article offered up in the OP might have been a good start.

That's right, Syria MUST disarm in one week!

[former9thward]

40. I don't know where to start....

1) Syria is supposed to identify chemical weapons in a week. That has absolutely nothing to do with removing those weapons. Please try and keep up with actual news...

2) Removing chemical weapons, if it ever occurs, does not disarm a nation. How ridiculous. Which is the point the al Queda inspired rebels made opposing the settlement.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

54. Tell it to the OP.

“This situation has no precedent,” said Amy E. Smithson, an expert on chemical weapons at the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies. “They are cramming what would probably be five or six years’ worth of work into a period of several months, and they are undertaking this in an extremely difficult security environment due to the ongoing civil war.”

....

An immediate test of the viability of the accord will come within a week, when the Syrian government is to provide a “comprehensive listing” of its chemical arsenal. That list is to include the types and quantities of Syria’s poison gas, the chemical munitions it possesses, and the location of its storage, production and research sites.

....

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/15/world/middleeast/syria-talks.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

It's interesting to watch those whipped into a frenzy over chemical weapons, when over 100,000 have been killed from conventional weapons, executions, and God knows what else. And millions (per UNHCR) displaced. Where's the outrage been for the past two and a half years?

Syria Death Toll: More than 110,000 Dead In Conflict, NGO Says
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/01/syria-death-toll_n_3851982.html

The timetable seems extremely aggressive, and even if CWs are destroyed, then what?

[pkdu]

28. And your answer to the problem was what exactly?.....

....crickets ....

[former9thward]

42. Crickets?

I have a life. I don't sit at a computer waiting breathlessly for replies to my posts. Apparently others do.....

My answer is to stay out of Syria. We have no business trying to impose our will on the people of the Middle East -- or anyplace else either. Syrian chemical weapons pose no danger to the U.S. I am not terrified at the world despite attempts by various administrations, including this one, to make us afraid.

[BootinUp]

7. President Obama is doing fine. Ignore the naysaysers. nt

[Vanje]

19. Well, The wheel is still very much in spin,

but ...




Source page
http://www.pollingreport.com/obama_job.htm#ObamaJob

[Marr]

9. It's so weird to see people who were rationalizing war a few days ago, suddenly

turn around and insist it was some sort brilliant ruse on the part of the president, and he'd never, ever have actually done such a thing.



I would be very glad to see Syria give up it's chemical weapons without the US entering the Syrian civil war. I suppose it's not surprising to see politicians and their fans all rushing to claim the credit, but it seems awfully silly to anyone not caught up in the celebrity game.

[BootinUp]

12. Here's my post from 9-2 "rationalizing war"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023581071

[BumRushDaShow]

15. It's so weird to see people who were running around with their hair on fire

now insist that they must continue to do so, no matter what, because they see what Clint Eastwood saw in the empty chair. A fictional character that was the figment of their imagination.

[LaydeeBug]

26. LOL! nt

[fascisthunter]

21. haha... no shit

[Skittles]

22. yup

they were willing to support him going to war

[LaydeeBug]

24. It's so weird to see people MAKE SHIT UP and project it onto you because they feel entitled.

nt

[Number23]

59. Plus a billion.

[treestar]

53. I don't see the disconnect

Since the threat of war turned out to be too much for Pooty-Poot. He figured he didn't want the US striking his client state after all and so pressured them to behave in a more civilized manner. At first he was going to be OK with Assad using chemical weapons.

[JEFF9K]

10. Conservative ...

... posters are very upset about this. They will have to come up with some new fake scandals.

[SidDithers]

11. That can't be true...

because DUers have been calling him a warmonger for weeks now.

Surely, such a smart bunch of DUers couldn't have been wrong about Obama?

Sid

[bowens43]

30. We weren't wrong.

[SidDithers]

32. Yes you were. And you are...nt

Sid

[former9thward]

13. Syria has not been disarmed.

Although supporters of the al Queda led rebels would like that.

[Cha]

16. "Putin was part of the problem and PBO forced him to be part of the solution.."

Donna NoShock @NoShock

Pootin' was part of the problem & now PBO has forced him to be part of the solution & our media calls our Prez. weak. Our #MSM is a joke.4:52 AM - 14 Sep 2013

80 Retweets 28 favorites Reply

http://theobamadiary.com/2013/09/14/a-tweet-or-two-2/

thanks LaydeeBug

[LaydeeBug]

25. Hey you're welcome, and it your sig line your page on FB?

I am sooo subscribed.

[Cha]

27. No, I stole it from a DUer who posted here

from FB right after the election.

[LaydeeBug]

36. Itis one of my all time faves on FB. I love their updates in my newsfeed. nt

[Thinkingabout]

17. It is obvious Assad thought the oder for a strike was coming, Assad wanted to give credit to the

Rebels. If the story was true some of the military was defecting and probably more was going to join the early ones, Assad was in a very bad position and needed to get a deal completed. Putin wants a pipeline across Syria and if the civil war does not stop the pipeline would be in danger. Time will tell on this, I still see the naysayers posting and time will cure this also. If we would get behind Obama great things could happen, the GOP could begin to sound great again and I know the Democrats would be great.

[bowens43]

29. Obama has done nothing but make dumb ass remarks.

Putin pulled Obama's ass out of the fire. Obama owes him big time.

[LaydeeBug]

37. He has done *nothing*, eh?

wow. just. fucking. wow.

[BlueStreak]

31. I'm having a bit of "tense anxiety". All these past tense references to things that won't happen

until mid-2014 is a bit unsettling. Verbal vertigo.

And while we're at it, when is the USA going to get rid of OUR stockpile of chemical WMDs? It is OK if I talk about that in the past tense too?

It is great that Obama got rid of chemical WMDs from both Syria and the USA without firing a shot. That was masterful.

[grahamhgreen]

33. Now if he would only listen to us about the drones, too.

[Liberal_in_LA]

34. good job obama

[cali]

38. revisionist history a la LaydeeBug

[LaydeeBug]

45. projectionist chronicling a la cali

[PowerToThePeople]

52. ^^^ this. cali tells the truth. n/t

[hobbit709]

43. Don't be counting chickens before the eggs hatch.

[LaydeeBug]

47. I said, "So far..." and so far it's true, and that's awesome. nt

[hobbit709]

48. you counting shots or disarmament?

[woo me with science]

44. Pentagon: "Boots on the ground" may be needed in Syria after all.

Please. You think we don't know this script by now?


Securing Syria's Weapons May Require US Troops
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023670821

[LaydeeBug]

46. "maybe", "maybe NOT", but you knew this.

[woo me with science]

49. ...

[Bluenorthwest]

50. Never toast the deal until the check clears, and it is a questionable thing to claim that

Syria has been disarmed while people are dying there every day. I just read about hospitals being bombed, and this OP says they have been disarmed without a shot fired. This is an interesting way to respect the victims of the conflict. By exploiting them for political fodder. Cool stuff.

[treestar]

51. Learn Pooty Poot!

[URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

Maybe the Pres will teach you to swim too!

[LaydeeBug]

57. can't you just see his soul behind his eyes? you know, like w did?

[Scurrilous]

55. And he did it with a glint in his eye.

[Liberal_Dog]

56. Well, I Am Glad That John Boehner Isn't President Of Russia

and Mitch McConnell isn't ruling Syria because then Obama would have been totally helpless because "He's not a King, you know".

[Cha]

58. Kick!