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MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 03:23 PM Sep 2013

Are You A Journalist? If You Say You Are, You Are...but...

Self-identification only goes so far. Getting others to agree with your self-declared status is a different thing.

Maybe you have a blog on some topic. You may consider yourself a journalist, but getting into the press room at a trade show or conference may not be so easy. Every such event has rules for admission as media. Unless your blog is a prominent one in that particular field, you're unlikely to get a press pass for the event. Space is limited, and the people paying to be there want to talk to journalists who might write about them in a publication with a wide circulation. They don't really want to talk to people with blogs that get 100 visits a day.

You may write frequently on some website, but that also may not qualify you for status as a journalist, either, depending on the website, what you write there, and on the requirements of whatever organization or person you encounter. Often, you won't qualify for the benefits accruing to journalists in that area. If your journalism is done on discussion forums, rather than on recognized news websites, it's unlikely that you'll be recognized as a journalist.

You may want to get a press pass from your local authorities that allows you past police lines, etc. Unless you write for a recognized publication, either locally or on a broader basis, you're going to have difficulty getting those credentials. Every jurisdiction has its own criteria for issuing press credentials, and you have to meet those criteria to get that press pass. Law enforcement and government agencies have press relations staffs, and they're not interested in repeating themselves to self-styled journalists who don't write for recognized media outlets, either local, regional, or on a larger scale. No press pass; no access.

Membership in some organization of journalists can help establish your identity as a journalist, but most such organizations have their own criteria for membership. If you don't meet those criteria, you won't be considered a journalist by that organization, and won't be given membership. Journalism organizations come in a variety of forms, and some are widely recognized. Others, that admit anyone who claims to be a journalist, are recognized for what they are, as well.

Bottom line is that anyone can call himself or herself a journalist. Anyone can do that. You can have business cards or some generic press pass printed from some website. But, getting others to recognize that identification is the real issue, and it's the critical issue for things like access, protection of sources, and more. For most bloggers and website writers, along with people who don't deal with collecting hard news, those issues are rarely pertinent, anyhow. You may see yourself as a journalist but, if nobody else recognizes that status, it's hard to maintain the illusion.

So, if you think you are a journalist, then you are a journalist. But, don't expect everyone else to recognize that status, automatically. They won't, necessarily. And journalists who do journalism as a paid profession are unlikely to recognize you as being in their profession. They make their living as journalists, and don't have time to validate your own opinion of your status.

N.B. - I used to work as a journalist. My career spans 3 decades. I'm not doing that any more. Today, I'm not a journalist, but I was a journalist. Now, I'm just a writer.

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Are You A Journalist? If You Say You Are, You Are...but... (Original Post) MineralMan Sep 2013 OP
The first step to the title "journalist" rrneck Sep 2013 #1
That's one path. My degree was in English. MineralMan Sep 2013 #2
English is close enough. rrneck Sep 2013 #5
My BA was English too LiberalEsto Sep 2013 #8
sigh. Peter Jennings was a high school drop out cali Sep 2013 #10
He was also unusual. rrneck Sep 2013 #13
I don't know what they teach in journalism school Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #3
Ethics vary widely among people who are professional journalists. MineralMan Sep 2013 #4
Blather and misdirection. Let's make it simple. woo me with science Sep 2013 #6
Everyone is entitled to MineralMan Sep 2013 #7
The first ammendment doesn't give any special protections to journalists FarCenter Sep 2013 #9
Is your three decade career like your 15 year old nephew? Because it is hard for me to buy Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #11
Frankly, I don't really care MineralMan Sep 2013 #14
Fox News Aerows Sep 2013 #12

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
2. That's one path. My degree was in English.
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 03:46 PM
Sep 2013

And yet, I worked for 30 years as a magazine journalist, for a fairly broad range of publications. A journalism degree isn't really a requirement. Adherence to some sort of journalistic standards it, though. And those standards vary, depending on the type of journalism one does.

Oddly enough, nobody ever asked me what my degree was based on. They all seemed more interested in what I wrote and how I did that writing. Lots of English majors in journalism careers.

rrneck

(17,671 posts)
5. English is close enough.
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 03:55 PM
Sep 2013

It's not just standards and practices. It's learning how to manage the medium, history, and the cultural associations that surround it.

There's a big difference between someone with an English degree writing with a particular objective and a plumber with a Blogger account.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
8. My BA was English too
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:29 PM
Sep 2013

I worked as a newspaper reporter for 25 years. Then spent 7 years writing about energy efficiency, cogeneration, indoor air quality, etc. for various trade publications and websites. Unemployed for the past 4 years, 11 months.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
10. sigh. Peter Jennings was a high school drop out
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 06:09 PM
Sep 2013

are you actually going to claim he wasn't a journalist?

Uncle Joe

(58,389 posts)
3. I don't know what they teach in journalism school
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 03:48 PM
Sep 2013

but in regard to the U.S. corporate media, if ethics was involved, too much of it didn't take.

So while recognition is nice, it's not the end all.



http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."



Thanks for the thread, MineralMan.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
4. Ethics vary widely among people who are professional journalists.
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 03:51 PM
Sep 2013

There are some standards, but those are generally set by the publications. Some publications have very high ethical standards. Others, not so much. The ones I worked for all had very high standards, and those standards were in the contracts I signed. Beyond those, I had my own standards, which I followed, regardless of what the publication's standards were.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
6. Blather and misdirection. Let's make it simple.
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 03:57 PM
Sep 2013

Here is the important point, which the corporate brigade keeps trying to obscure:

[font size=3]The government has no business passing laws giving itself the power to determine who is or isn't a journalist entitled to First Amendment protections.
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It is an assault on the First Amendment of the Constitution, and an abuse of power by government.


MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
7. Everyone is entitled to
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:30 PM
Sep 2013

First Amendment protections. Not everyone is a journalist. My post is not about the First Amendment at all. You must be thinking of some other post.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
9. The first ammendment doesn't give any special protections to journalists
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 06:03 PM
Sep 2013
Despite popular misunderstanding the right to freedom of the press guaranteed by the first amendment is not very different from the right to freedom of speech. It allows an individual to express themselves through publication and dissemination. It is part of the constitutional protection of freedom of expression. It does not afford members of the media any special rights or privileges not afforded to citizens in general.


http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/first_amendment
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
11. Is your three decade career like your 15 year old nephew? Because it is hard for me to buy
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 06:09 PM
Sep 2013

that you were a journalist who wound up writing that anti gay shite on all of those Right Wing websites. Just does not add up.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
14. Frankly, I don't really care
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 09:02 AM
Sep 2013

whether you buy it or not. Your comment has nothing to do with what I posted.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
12. Fox News
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 06:11 PM
Sep 2013

Are they journalists? Because they have the right, won in court to lie to the public in mass media. If that's a journalist, anyone is a journalist.

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