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KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
Thu Oct 3, 2013, 08:03 PM Oct 2013

Grover Norquist: Cruz pushed House Republicans into traffic and wandered away +MUST SEE PIX!

Last edited Thu Oct 3, 2013, 09:24 PM - Edit history (2)

Grover Norquist writes and delivers talking points to the Republicans in Congress. I hadn't seen anything from him lately so had to search. Maybe this was posted before, it's from yesterday, but if you want to be informed on what's behind Republicans… please read this.

The weasel Norquist blames this on Cruz.

PLUS, what's with the Vendetta mask on his desk?

"V" for "very low taxes." (Bill O'Leary / The Washington Post)


Grover Norquist on Ted Cruz: ‘He pushed House Republicans into traffic and wandered away’
By Ezra Klein, Published: October 2 at 2:58 pmE-mail the writer


Ezra Klein: So, do you think a shutdown is good for the issues and ideas you’re trying to push?

Grover Norquist: Not necessarily. I think the original plan for the Republicans was to move the continuing resolution past the debt ceiling and then to sit down with Obama and decide whether he would be willing to trade some relaxation of the sequester for significant reforms of entitlements….. Republicans could get significant long-term entitlement reform -- all on the spending side, I’m assured by leadership -- for some relaxation of sequester. snip Something like that might’ve worked out. There was also the possibility, and I was an advocate, of pushing for delay…. snip



EK: That sounds like the strategy that got us the shutdown, though.

GN: No, the leverage isn’t the debt ceiling. It’s not the CR. It’s the sequester. …. The second thought was to have a conversation over the one-year delay. snip

But that’s not what we did. Ted Cruz, from left field, said we have to defund Obamacare permanently in this CR. If they offered the Keystone pipeline and the privatization of Fannie and Freddie you couldn’t take that. We only want this, and we only want it on Tuesday -- Wednesday is no good. The debt ceiling is no good. So that got locked in as a principle. And people went out on talk radio and said if you’re not for this you’re a coward, you’re a RINO.


EK: And that got in the way of the larger strategy?

GN: I’m cheerful because every Republicans is for repeal of Obamacare…… So then the House said, breaking completely with Cruz because Cruz thinks if you’re not defunding the whole thing it’s treason, that there’s delay. There’s getting rid of medical device taxes. They’ve done a series of things to hold together Republicans and break with Cruz. But because we started with the Cruz approach this got to the shutdown.


snip

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/10/02/grover-norquist-ted-cruz-pushed-house-republicans-into-traffic-and-wandered-away/

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Grover Norquist: Cruz pushed House Republicans into traffic and wandered away +MUST SEE PIX! (Original Post) KittyWampus Oct 2013 OP
that fucking asshole ought to talk! gopiscrap Oct 2013 #1
Remember, Grover: AngryOldDem Oct 2013 #2
I'll bet that 2naSalit Oct 2013 #5
Why did we think revivifying these assholes would be a good idea? Hydra Oct 2013 #3
Good cop/Bad cop 1000words Oct 2013 #9
Unfortunately they were never dead and in the ground. cui bono Oct 2013 #12
I'd have 2naSalit Oct 2013 #4
Yep, he's in leadership of a lot of right wing organizations, including NRA. Hoyt Oct 2013 #6
Indeed 2naSalit Oct 2013 #7
Norquist asks: "When’s the last time we passed a big government entitlement and every Republican opp Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #8
+1 2naSalit Oct 2013 #10
k&r Cha Oct 2013 #11
Naw! He didn't push them. They followed him. kentuck Oct 2013 #13

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
2. Remember, Grover:
Thu Oct 3, 2013, 08:07 PM
Oct 2013

For every finger you point, there are three pointing right back at you.

You and your bathtub got us into this. But typical: When things blow up in your face, you deny ownership and run away.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
3. Why did we think revivifying these assholes would be a good idea?
Thu Oct 3, 2013, 08:16 PM
Oct 2013

They were dead and in the ground in 2008. Now they're back and are tearing things apart again.

 

1000words

(7,051 posts)
9. Good cop/Bad cop
Thu Oct 3, 2013, 08:49 PM
Oct 2013

Each side uses the other for cover. Best way to keep the proles in line is to have them fighting each other.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
12. Unfortunately they were never dead and in the ground.
Thu Oct 3, 2013, 09:26 PM
Oct 2013

Obama played ball with them. Now they figure they can push him even further. Hopefully they are wrong. So far so "good".

2naSalit

(86,617 posts)
4. I'd have
Thu Oct 3, 2013, 08:18 PM
Oct 2013

some suggestions but they are probably not safe to post.

As a consolation I'll offer up this interactive tool so anyone who wants to can see how many pies he has his hand in...

http://www.muckety.com/Grover-G-Norquist/3963.muckety


Try not to puke.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
6. Yep, he's in leadership of a lot of right wing organizations, including NRA.
Thu Oct 3, 2013, 08:36 PM
Oct 2013

Good chart. Republicans listen to the little weasel because he controls a lot of campaign money.

2naSalit

(86,617 posts)
7. Indeed
Thu Oct 3, 2013, 08:41 PM
Oct 2013

just another member of the cabal.

And you have to watch this to see just how this guy set the incredibly low bar for the juvenile attitudes from his "pledgies" that we are dealing with now...

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-february-28-2012/grover-norquist-s-taxpayer-protection-pledge

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,002 posts)
8. Norquist asks: "When’s the last time we passed a big government entitlement and every Republican opp
Thu Oct 3, 2013, 08:41 PM
Oct 2013

Norquist asks: "When’s the last time we passed a big government entitlement and every Republican opposed it and kept pointing out that it’s a mistake?"

Easy. Social Security and Medicare.

Here's from Harry Reid's wallet:

I was there, fighting the fight, one of the 12, voting against Medicare, because we knew it wouldn't work, in 1965.
-- Senator Bob Dole, Republican

Now we didn't get rid of it in round one because we don't think it's politically smart. But we believe (Medicare) is going to wither on the vine.
-- House Speaker Newt Gingrich, Republican

Medicare has no place in a free world. Social Security is a rotten trick. I think we're going to have to bite the bullet on Social Security and phase it out over time.
-- House Majority Leader Dick Army, Republican

kentuck

(111,095 posts)
13. Naw! He didn't push them. They followed him.
Thu Oct 3, 2013, 09:30 PM
Oct 2013

Then they looked around and he was gone.

But it is so much easier to blame Ted Cruz than to take responsibility as a Party for being a bunch of stupid lemmings with suicide vests.

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