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Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
Thu Oct 3, 2013, 10:30 PM Oct 2013

Does anyone know what kind of capacity Healthcare.gov servers are operating at?

I'll be really honest when I say I'm starting to get extremely frustrated with the general lack of access to the site. I've been trying for 3 days and the best I've been able to do is get an account created. That happened literally 15 minutes ago. And now I can't log in. I keep getting a 404 error.

Either these servers are receiving world record amounts of inquiries or they are inadequate. And I wish someone would just come out and say which one it is.

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Does anyone know what kind of capacity Healthcare.gov servers are operating at? (Original Post) Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 OP
Or, like with the New York State site - LiberalElite Oct 2013 #1
A little denial of service action? Barack_America Oct 2013 #14
You have plenty of time to enroll. bigwillq Oct 2013 #2
They should have had these glitches figured out before enrollment started. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #3
Stuff happens. bigwillq Oct 2013 #5
I've been working on major IT projects since 1997 and I have never seen MH1 Oct 2013 #8
Why wouldn't they have an absurdly massive budget for this? It's one of the most important Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #10
The budget can't be limitless... Agschmid Oct 2013 #13
How did the money get budgeted for it? Through Congress? nt MH1 Oct 2013 #16
+1000 JoePhilly Oct 2013 #15
Both. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #4
Limited capacity is not a very good excuse. These servers should have been beefy enough... Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #7
Can you predict the network capacity needed for ... JoePhilly Oct 2013 #12
If only a very limited number of people are actually getting through, this is going to go on... Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #18
How limited is that number of people ... you have some stats on that? JoePhilly Oct 2013 #20
Because it would be Q-R throwing a fit here right now...because they would have to access the site ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #23
for giggles I tried to login at 243 AM...no luck steve2470 Oct 2013 #6
Over capacity? Rex Oct 2013 #9
It went much better than the SimCity launch... Agschmid Oct 2013 #11
I'm giving it a couple of weeks. bhikkhu Oct 2013 #17
it wouldnt put it past Republicans JesterCS Oct 2013 #19
No indications of that, just really high demand pediatricmedic Oct 2013 #22
It's likely very huge As you can still get the front page Paulie Oct 2013 #21
I've also been trying for the last 3 days. MrsKirkley Oct 2013 #24
Down for maintenance tonight. Been checking for the last 2 hrs chill_wind Oct 2013 #25

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
14. A little denial of service action?
Thu Oct 3, 2013, 10:47 PM
Oct 2013

Don't doubt it in the least, especially considering I heard several R's today using problems with the ACA sites as justification for continuing the shutdown.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
3. They should have had these glitches figured out before enrollment started.
Thu Oct 3, 2013, 10:35 PM
Oct 2013

We are facing one of the most important historical events of recent American history. There really is no excuse for inadequately prepared servers or websites. I can understand record setting inquiries but I have a feeling that isn't the only issue.

These servers should be humungous.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
5. Stuff happens.
Thu Oct 3, 2013, 10:37 PM
Oct 2013

Technology, and its users, are not perfect.
I don't have the answers to why these things happen, but they do.
We just launched a new website at work. We thought we were as prepared as possible and still ran into glitches.

By Jan 1, 2014, you will be insured, even if this means you can't sign up for a few days.

MH1

(17,600 posts)
8. I've been working on major IT projects since 1997 and I have never seen
Thu Oct 3, 2013, 10:40 PM
Oct 2013

a go-live that didn't have issues.

I'm betting this project team didn't have a moon-shot kind of budget, either.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
10. Why wouldn't they have an absurdly massive budget for this? It's one of the most important
Thu Oct 3, 2013, 10:42 PM
Oct 2013

government websites ever put into service. The budget should have been limitless and the servers should have been massive. These people operate some of the largest farms on the planet. What are they using for this website?

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
15. +1000
Thu Oct 3, 2013, 10:47 PM
Oct 2013

I've been working in emerging tech since the late 80s, and nothing has changed.

You can model a system all you want.

But you do not know what its really going to be like until it goes live.

And for a government site like this ... you can't toss out an ALPHA site or even a BETA ... and you can't move the GA date.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
4. Both.
Thu Oct 3, 2013, 10:36 PM
Oct 2013

They had to get it off the ground on OCT 1st.

Any new system that will have millions of simultaneous users at the start, will experience issues. No way to avoid it.

That's probably why the sign up period is 6 month.

They knew that the system would probably not be able to handle everything in the first couple weeks. But demand will start to spread out.

So ... both are true. Huge response, limited capacity.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
7. Limited capacity is not a very good excuse. These servers should have been beefy enough...
Thu Oct 3, 2013, 10:38 PM
Oct 2013

To handle a massive influx of traffic. I don't expect them to handle world record setting traffic. But it's been 3 days and there hasn't been a single point in that time that the website has functioned properly for me. Not once.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
12. Can you predict the network capacity needed for ...
Thu Oct 3, 2013, 10:44 PM
Oct 2013

a 50 state system, with thousands of permutations, permutations that have changed up until the "go live date", that can handle MILLIONS of simultaneous visits from the first minute it goes live?

If you can ... you would be able to take your pick of 7 figure positions, that are VP level roles at any number for fortune 500 companies.

Also realize that the capacity you want for "day 1" is not what you actually need on "day 100". Its not an "influx" to some existing system ... it is a NEW system.

Oh wait ... the government has unlimited funds!!!! How did I forget that?

And clearly, because YOU had trouble, the entire system sucks. I'm sure at some point this site like Amazon, will allow you to write a review and complain.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
18. If only a very limited number of people are actually getting through, this is going to go on...
Thu Oct 3, 2013, 10:59 PM
Oct 2013

for a long time. Do you understand how that's quickly going to become a very serious problem? Sorry, but if it was known that these servers would be so overwhelmed another system should have been devised. I'm not asking that they use magic.

Why didn't they establish rules for access? Like using last names in alphabetical order? Certain time frames allow certain individuals with last names to access the site.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
20. How limited is that number of people ... you have some stats on that?
Thu Oct 3, 2013, 11:05 PM
Oct 2013

You do not.

Why is it a "serious problem"?

People will have months to sign up. Most who really need to do so will be able to do so in the first couple weeks. Then, demand will drop off.

As for the silly rule you propose ... when do you turn that OFF?

What you propose an an additional feature, a feature that has to be developed, and tested. Which adds time to the development schedule. And, its a feature that you discard later.

You have no idea how "limited" the system is. But you can be sure that the folks who run it are collecting that data.



ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
23. Because it would be Q-R throwing a fit here right now...because they would have to access the site
Thu Oct 3, 2013, 11:19 PM
Oct 2013

at 2 a.m.

...

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
6. for giggles I tried to login at 243 AM...no luck
Thu Oct 3, 2013, 10:38 PM
Oct 2013

The servers are totally overwhelmed. I'd wait a week or so. The enrollment deadline for January 1st is December 15th, I think. You can't get new coverage before January 1st anyway.

bhikkhu

(10,716 posts)
17. I'm giving it a couple of weeks.
Thu Oct 3, 2013, 10:56 PM
Oct 2013

Coverage doesn't start until January in any case, and there's no first-come first-serve involved. In Oregon OHP for the longest time was like that - if you weren't on, you were on a waiting list. If a problem came up, you were back in the back of the line. My family hasn't been insured for 10 years. I'm very glad to not have to worry about that anymore, and I don't mind waiting for glitches to sort out.

pediatricmedic

(397 posts)
22. No indications of that, just really high demand
Thu Oct 3, 2013, 11:17 PM
Oct 2013

There is apparently a lot of communication required with different agencies and their systems.

The government should have probably consulted with one of the big game companies for help on this.

Paulie

(8,462 posts)
21. It's likely very huge As you can still get the front page
Thu Oct 3, 2013, 11:11 PM
Oct 2013

You have millions of people hitting this site pretty much constantly.

Ah, interesting. It's two main servers, primary and backup, then using CDN for scale. O content management system it's dynamically generated static pages. Going to have to do more reading on this.

It's also all open source.

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/06/healthcaregov-code-developed-by-the-people-and-for-the-people-released-back-to-the-people/277295/

MrsKirkley

(180 posts)
24. I've also been trying for the last 3 days.
Thu Oct 3, 2013, 11:41 PM
Oct 2013

I finally managed to create an account, only to find out I can't log in. Instead, I keep getting the following message: "The information you entered isn't valid." I don't know if everyone else is getting the same message or if the system somehow screwed up my account rendering it invalid.

chill_wind

(13,514 posts)
25. Down for maintenance tonight. Been checking for the last 2 hrs
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 04:41 AM
Oct 2013

2:30- to presently 4:30 am.

"The system is down at the moment.
We're currently performing scheduled maintenance. Please try again later."



So much for the better odds of getting anywhere "off-peak"- tonight anyway. I fared no better last night at 1:30 am when it was at least still online, then, but still error-ridden.

I can't do this every night-- caffeine and sleepless in the wee hrs for nothing-- and still function the next day.


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