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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Shutdown in 10 Infuriating Sentences
Democrats have already agreed to fund the government at Republican levels.Despite what you might have heard, there have only been two serious government shutdowns in recent history, and both were the result of Republican ultimatums.
Democrats in the Senate have been begging the House to negotiate over the budget for the past six months, but Republicans have refused.
That's because Republicans wanted to wait until they had either a government shutdown or a debt ceiling breach as leverage, something they've been very clear about all along.
Republicans keep talking about compromise, but they've offered nothing in return for agreeing to their demandsexcept to keep the government intact if they get their way.
The public is very strongly opposed to using a government shutdown to stop Obamacare.
Contrary to Republican claims, the deficit is not increasingit peaked in 2009 and has been dropping ever since, declining by $200 billion last year with another $450 billion drop projected this year.
A long government shutdown is likely to seriously hurt economic growth, with a monthlong shutdown projected to slash GDP in the fourth quarter by 1 percentage point and reduce employment by over a million jobs.
No, Democrats have not used debt ceiling hostage taking in the past to force presidents to accept their political agenda.
This whole dispute is about the Republican Party fighting to make sure the working poor don't have access to affordable health care.
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/10/shutdown-debt-ceiling-explained
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The Shutdown in 10 Infuriating Sentences (Original Post)
MoonRiver
Oct 2013
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B Calm
(28,762 posts)1. Why do republicans hate working people?
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)2. Pretty amazing isn't it.
They also despise children.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)3. Because of their own inner self-hatred.
They project it out on to others.
Classic unbalanced psychological behavior.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)6. Because it's easier to exploit someone you hate. n/t
momsrule
(100 posts)4. Republicans hate us.
They only like the wealthy donors and corps. that what to mutilate and contaminate the land. They love hate talk and lying through their teeth and are amoral when it comes to the real needs of the people at large, all the while hiding behind some trumped up Church theology against women in particular. I despise what they are doing and saying. How about you?
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)5. Yes, I despise them!
Weirdly though they seem to be deliberately self-destructing. Thire lates tshut-down stunt will probably give Dems the House and a bigger majority in the Senate.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)7. Oh, and welcome to DU momsrule!