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vi5

(13,305 posts)
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 07:21 AM Oct 2013

Why exactly is Cruz getting all the heat?

Make no mistake the guy is a tool and a lunatic. But at this point isn't he pretty much inconsequential? I mean he's in the Senate which passed a clean bill. At this point isn't this entire thing on Boehner's shoulders? Why am I reading all these stories about Republicans beating up on Cruz and blaming him. Doesn't he not have anything to do with anything any more after he did his little speech stunt?

The house is the only thing standing in the way, and there are enough votes and Boehner is just not allowing an up or down clean vote. What am I missing? Is it just that Cruz is an easier target because he's new and he pulled his stunt a week or two back?

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Why exactly is Cruz getting all the heat? (Original Post) vi5 Oct 2013 OP
A cute little game to give publicons cover RandiFan1290 Oct 2013 #1
It's not mythical. Created by the brothers Koch, but real enough cali Oct 2013 #4
Here is who should be getting all the heat right now: Coyotl Oct 2013 #27
whoa. no, you are wildly wrong. cali Oct 2013 #2
I think this is completely correct el_bryanto Oct 2013 #18
I don't disagree he bears much blame. vi5 Oct 2013 #20
absolutely. hey, I think bonehead should get his fair shame of blame- as in cali Oct 2013 #28
Cruz's daddy runs the "Purifying Fire" evangelical propaganda money pit, or something like that Berlum Oct 2013 #3
Because in the end blaming a Jr. Senator who Just got the job is safer Heather MC Oct 2013 #5
No. people really need to inform themselves. cali Oct 2013 #7
Forgive me I left off the Heather MC Oct 2013 #13
Actually I think your original comments were pretty accurate BlueStreak Oct 2013 #23
you need to see the hand up Cruz's butt. It's Norquist and the ole strategy of killing gvt. KittyWampus Oct 2013 #25
baloney- and I read the Klein interview with grubby grover yesterday. cali Oct 2013 #29
I can't stress this enough: no one is in charge of the GOP. randome Oct 2013 #6
I can't stress this enough. Ted Cruz is directing this disaster cali Oct 2013 #8
Yet he has no end game. No strategy past the initial shutdown. randome Oct 2013 #10
Sure he has an end game: His run for the presidency in 2016 cali Oct 2013 #11
Then he's guilty of premature delusions. 2016 is too far away. randome Oct 2013 #16
Hence the phrase "blind ambition". winter is coming Oct 2013 #21
This. The GOP has a vacuum of leadership Trekologer Oct 2013 #15
"But Cruz made us do it!" randome Oct 2013 #17
Because right now leftynyc Oct 2013 #9
because he is calling all the shots. nt LaydeeBug Oct 2013 #12
I agree with you and the first post. Nine Oct 2013 #14
He made himself their leader jsr Oct 2013 #19
Because he is jockeying for a Presidential run, so his colleagues want to take him down BlueStreak Oct 2013 #22
Because pointing to Grover Norquist is getting too close to the real hand holding the stick? KittyWampus Oct 2013 #24
Because Cruz has been advising members of the House on the Budget Resolution blogslut Oct 2013 #26
Because he's the acting Speaker of the House Rafael 'Ted' Cruz. blm Oct 2013 #30
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
2. whoa. no, you are wildly wrong.
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 07:24 AM
Oct 2013

Make no mistake, Cruz is the architect of this shut down and he's meeting regularly with House members. In many ways, he's the face and voice of the shutdown.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
18. I think this is completely correct
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 08:33 AM
Oct 2013

It also points to the fact that the Republicans are basically leaderless - that was evident in the campaign of the colorless Romney, a candidate nobody seemed to like all that much (even his supporters weren't enthusiastic). And it's more evident now; 2 out 3 Republicans probably knows this won't work to get rid of the ACA and it's a disaster politically - but there's nobody big enough to stop it.

Bryant

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
20. I don't disagree he bears much blame.
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 08:42 AM
Oct 2013

But Boehner could end this right now.

Cruz may have been the architect, and may be pulling the strings on the house hardliners.

But boehner is ultimately the one who could end this, not Cruz.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
28. absolutely. hey, I think bonehead should get his fair shame of blame- as in
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 09:23 AM
Oct 2013

a lot of it. I was just pointing out the significant role that Craphead Cruz is playing.

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
3. Cruz's daddy runs the "Purifying Fire" evangelical propaganda money pit, or something like that
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 07:24 AM
Oct 2013

So "The Annointed One" (what Cruz's daddy calls him),
is kind of a naturally incendiary creature,
Soul-Scorching Brimstone Style.

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
5. Because in the end blaming a Jr. Senator who Just got the job is safer
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 07:28 AM
Oct 2013

than blaming old established Washington insider republicans who should know better than to destroy the country for Ego Purposes and fund raising money. Besides Ted Cruz is an Ass hole

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
7. No. people really need to inform themselves.
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 07:32 AM
Oct 2013

Cruz is influential and he is one of the architects of this shutdown. It has zip to do with what you're claiming.

Cruz looms large in this government shutdown drama. He's the one who spent the August recess campaigning for Republicans to insist on tying funding for the government to defunding the health care law.

On Monday night, just hours before the shutdown began, Cruz appeared on CNN and suggested the House take up smaller spending bills — one at a time — to fund bits and pieces of the government.

"We should pick the top, the critical priorities, the areas where, if the Democrats force a shutdown, the areas where there'll be the most pain, and let's address that — let's take them off the table," he said. "I think the House tonight ought to pass several continuing resolutions."

The House didn't do it that night, but by Tuesday afternoon, three such bills were on the House floor — ones that would fund Veterans Affairs, the Washington, D.C., local government, and the national parks.

<snip>

http://www.npr.org/2013/10/02/228376346/why-sen-cruz-looms-large-in-government-shutdown-drama

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
23. Actually I think your original comments were pretty accurate
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 09:09 AM
Oct 2013

Ted Cruz didn't create this situation. He is just trying to exploit it for his own Presidential aspirations. If ambition is a sin, they are all guilty. You can't get mad at a Senator for grandstanding when the opportunity presents itself. That's what they do.

The underlying problems are the result of a small minority party trying to cobble together enough of the stupid, the religious, the racists, the crazy, the gun nuts, and the paranoid to win some elections. It is blowing up on them now because in the end, that means you have a lot of stupid, religious, racist, crazy, paranoid people on your side.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
25. you need to see the hand up Cruz's butt. It's Norquist and the ole strategy of killing gvt.
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 09:18 AM
Oct 2013

E. Klein wrote an interview w/Norquist who now tries to blame this on Cruz.

Norquist's strategy, as he tells it to Klein, is in the article-

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023779724

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
29. baloney- and I read the Klein interview with grubby grover yesterday.
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 09:25 AM
Oct 2013

there is no hand up cruz' butt. this guy is freelancing.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
6. I can't stress this enough: no one is in charge of the GOP.
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 07:32 AM
Oct 2013

None of them understand what they are getting out of this. The shutdown is like some subconscious daydream that popped out into the real world.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
10. Yet he has no end game. No strategy past the initial shutdown.
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 07:39 AM
Oct 2013

Most of the GOP hates him. That's not a leader. It's his daydream that has been given a boost into reality but they all share it so it shuffles forward until enough Republicans revolt.

That's how this will end.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
11. Sure he has an end game: His run for the presidency in 2016
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 07:46 AM
Oct 2013

that's what this is all about.

and yes, he's now on top of the 2016 repuke polls.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
16. Then he's guilty of premature delusions. 2016 is too far away.
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 08:28 AM
Oct 2013

He has poisoned the GOP brand in the meantime. Once the rest of the GOP turn on him, he will be finished.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
21. Hence the phrase "blind ambition".
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 08:45 AM
Oct 2013

The Koch brothers needed a new face to lead the charge on extremist bullshit and be a rising star of the Republicans. Apparently, Cruz didn't pause to reflect on the brief half-life of rising stars in today's GOP. He may toss his hat in the ring in 2016, but he won't get the nomination.

Trekologer

(997 posts)
15. This. The GOP has a vacuum of leadership
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 08:27 AM
Oct 2013

But that shouldn't leave the rank-and-file off the hook for following Cruz. They knew he had no end-game plan but blindly followed him anyway. That says more about them than anything else. If they should be angry at anyone, it should be themselves for that blind following.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
17. "But Cruz made us do it!"
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 08:29 AM
Oct 2013

{Cue whiny baby sound.}
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
9. Because right now
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 07:36 AM
Oct 2013

he's sitting on top of the polls for the 2016 republican candidacy. The old guard knows what a colossal disaster that would be for the party so they're going to destroy him before we have a chance to.

Nine

(1,741 posts)
14. I agree with you and the first post.
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 08:21 AM
Oct 2013

Whatever's happening with Republicans behind the scenes, no one is holding a gun to Boehner's head. Republicans would love to pin the blame for this on as few of their ranks as possible, and on one guy all the better, but we shouldn't let them get away with that.

jsr

(7,712 posts)
19. He made himself their leader
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 08:40 AM
Oct 2013

“I think Ted Cruz is the new standard-bearer for constitutional conservatism, with Rand Paul being a slightly more libertarian version of that.” - Matt Kibbe, president of FreedomWorks

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
22. Because he is jockeying for a Presidential run, so his colleagues want to take him down
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 09:04 AM
Oct 2013

Karl Rove is behind a lot of the animus toward Cruz.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
24. Because pointing to Grover Norquist is getting too close to the real hand holding the stick?
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 09:13 AM
Oct 2013

easier to demonize Cruz, especially if others want to run for POTUS

blogslut

(38,000 posts)
26. Because Cruz has been advising members of the House on the Budget Resolution
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 09:20 AM
Oct 2013
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/359717/cruz-house-conservatives-oppose-boehner-robert-costa

On a Thursday conference call, a group of House conservatives consulted with Senator Ted Cruz of Texas about how to respond to the leadership’s fiscal strategy. Sources who were on the call say Cruz strongly advised them to oppose it, and hours later, Speaker John Boehner’s plan fizzled.

It’s the latest example of Cruz leading the House’s right flank.

The private call came together after Boehner unveiled his strategy at a Republican conference meeting earlier this week. Boehner’s plan — to focus on a debt-limit package, rather than a drawn-out CR battle — made many conservatives uneasy. As they mulled a response, they reached out to Cruz.

On the call, Cruz told them that Boehner was making a mistake, and urged his friends to fight until the end on the CR. The group agreed, and they complained that Boehner’s shift to the debt limit was a diversion. Senator Mike Lee of Utah joined Cruz on the call, and both senators said they’d stand with House conservatives as they opposed the leadership.

By the call’s end, there was a consensus: until the CR talks are complete, Republicans should whip “no” on Boehner’s debt-limit plan, as a way of preventing the leadership from directing the strategy. And that’s exactly what happened late Thursday afternoon: GOP whip Kevin McCarthy worked the floor, but couldn’t find the votes for Boehner’s debt-limit plan. After McCarthy reported back about the Cruz-inspired uprising, the leadership shelved it...


Pardon the source but, in this instance, The NROnline has nothing to lose by making up facts.

Don't get me wrong. They're all obstinate, selfish children but Cruz has been acting as lead whinybaby on this.
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