Why the Republicans Don't Believe That They Made a Huge Mistake With this Shutdown.

[Stuart G]

Some are just too stupid and self centered. But some just haven't a clue cause of the sources of information that they look at..
Proof: On election eve, Carl Rove threw a fit for all to see because he didn't realize the Republicans had lost. He looked like a crazy man, screaming to Fox News (ug) ..that it was wrong to concede. Even Romney could not believe it. Here is why they do not believe the truth. These people are totally uninformed, totally..

Nate Silver predicted the outcome of two elections ....They don't want to go there. Why? The truth is too unpleasant for them. They want to believe something else....I was there once. I didn't want to believe that I needed major surgery. So, I kinda looked around. Yes, I found a couple of doctors that said I didn't.. But in the end it became so clear that I had to have it or die. I had it and survived, because that was the truth.

So, soon, these people will have to admit the truth, or die. Millions want health insurance, this is cheap reliable health insurance. Set up to help those without it. The Republicans will have to admit sometime very soon they made a mistake..(which seems unlikely) or die.

[Coyotl]

1. Karl Rove should never have been given that chair

[Stuart G]

4. On Saturday, tomorrow, a slow news day, Rove may admit this was a terrible mistake.

That kind of thing happens on Saturday. And so will dozens of others who have seen how bad their mistake was. So on Sunday, on the so called news shows. Republican Apologists will be discussing this..We will get that one day of apology, but no more.
Then it will be as if nothing had ever happened. If it isn't this Saturday, then I guess it will be a week from tomorrow. By then, even the idiots will know they are close to death. Those with some brain, (note: I said some) will have been yelling in leaderships ear for a while. Maybe by then, they will pass a clean reopen resolution

[Archae]

2. Most teabagger congresscritters live in safe districts.

Thanks mostly to gerrymandering up the wazoo, next year most of the worst of the teabagger congresscritters won't be facing too much of a challenge, if at all.

And the teabagger queen Michelle Bachmann is cutting and running.

[Stuart G]

3. Yes, there are safe districes. But,

this is such a huge mistake, that those districts may not be safe. If it turns out that there a ten million sign ups in a few weeks or even 5 million, and the Republicans take a huge hit in favorability as is being reported on Fox ..then maybe..just maybe those won't be safe any more, no matter what the gerrymandering is.

[Coyotl]

5. And safe districts are likelier to see primary challenges because

the person who wins the primary becomes a long-term incumbent. These districts are going to see the real infighting.

What the Tea party has done is cook its own goose, literally scatologically besmearing themselves within the republican rank-and-file and inviting challengers in primaries. They have paved the way to their own demise.

[apnu]

6. Of course they did. The first rule of politics is: you let your opposition hang himself. (nt)

[Stuart G]

7. So, we say, Boehner has hung himself (figuratively) . so to speak...And he doesn't know it yet..

[apnu]

8. Yeah

Reid and Obama are doing the exact right thing, giving the GOP all the rope they need. All they have to do is stay together and stay pretty silent. Let the Republicans explain to the American people why they shutdown the government so they can prevent Americans from buying affordable health insurance in a free-market exchange.

We saw Pelosi, Reid and Emmanuel do this in 2006 when they took back the House.

The other way to do work this is to firebrand your way to the top. This only works when one group is staying largely silent because they don't want to hang themselves. That's how Newt took the house in 1994.

[libdem4life]

9. Threatening the elderly/disabled, the federal work force, the Millenials already feeling the

student debt/no good jobs pinch, those who don't have affordable health insurance (and that's a lot of folks not aforementioned)...may be the Perfect Storm for 2014/2016. I don't think the narcissistic Republican machine will get it until it's too late.

[Stuart G]

11. Oh MY....IT IS TOO LATE..

They don't know it yet...but they will in a few days...........................

Then, they will say, "So be it..." and get thrown down the power tube...and will be ...no
more. Cause they did not know who they were dealing with.....Those who know..remember.....

[hfojvt]

10. but two correct predictions do not make a 3rd a certainty

I dislike all this predicting anyway. In some ways it could easily become self-fulfilling. How do we know that 5% of the voters are not just gonna go with the flow? And maybe that works in our favor and maybe it doesn't.

And why concede early? I watched one election where Clair McCaskill was losing to Jim Talent. 80% of the vote was counted, she was 200,000 votes behind. The polysci prof. said it was likely that rural precincts were gonna be the majority of the later counted votes that had not been reported - that is, areas where Talent was likely to win.

Yet when I woke up the next morning, McCaskill had won.

And I say the election of 2012 was pretty close http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1784868

[stevenleser]

12. Re 2012... the Iowa and NH margins were significant percentages of those states

Iowa was 92000 votes out of around 1,300,000 cast and that is nearly a 6% margin. Close? I would not generally characterize anything above 5.00% as close.

NH was 40,000 votes out of around 700,000 cast and is also nearly a 6% margin.

In the other states you mentioned, he won Virginia by 3.88% and Ohio by right around 3%. Those are close, but not 'very' close

Florida was really close.

I guess what illustrates the issue with your characterizing it as close by the raw number of voters in each of those states is, if you are having an election in a small town with 10 residents, and you get 8 of them, the vote total that you won by is not high. But it is a ridiculously high percentage of the vote. It's ridiculous for the other person to say "It was close because if 4 votes went the other way, I would have won". That doesn't work because the 80%-20% margin suggests an overwhelming consensus.

9 of 10 swing states by an average of around 5% doesnt suggest a close election, it suggests a consensus.

[hfojvt]

13. I think 6% is close

close enough to swing with a mere 3% shift.

And actually it becomes closer if a large state like Pennsylvania is included in the mix.

Not really much of a consensus when you have huge percentages saying "no" and "hell, no".