Undercover Cop Among Motorcyclists in incident with SUV

[JI7]

and another charged.

maybe this is why the NYPD wont go after these fuckers. maybe there are more law enforecment among these law breakers who run red lights, drive with licenses, without license plates etc.

instead they stop and frisk young people who aren't doing anything wrong but have dark skin.


< The biker who allegedly opened the SUV's door at one point during the chase, is now in custody.

35-year-old Robert Sims, grabbed the SUV's door at 5:05 seconds into the YouTube video, surrendered to police in Brooklyn earlier Friday.

Meantime, an undercover detective has informed Internal Affairs that he was present at the time of the confrontation between bikers and the driver of a SUV last weekend, sources tell Eyewitness News.

The undercover narcotics detective, himself a motorcycle rider, was off duty. Official sources say he did not get involved because he did not want to blow his cover. Internal Affairs is now investigating. The undercover detective is being advised by an attorney.

The 38 year old Brooklyn man wanted for questioning is expected to eventually turn himself in. Detectives still believe he used his silver helmet to smash the driver's side window of the victim's SUV. However, his role in the actual assault of the driver is unclear. >

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=9274018

[Cooley Hurd]

1. Holy WTF?

[matt819]

2. Off duty?

He's off duty and hangs around with these animals? That's either seriously wrong or he's damn serious about ensuring his cover 24x7.

[Wait Wut]

3. That's what I was wondering.

But, they did say he stayed back so he wouldn't blow his cover. I'm not sure what's involved in being undercover, but I would imagine it's more or less a 24/7 deal.

[loli phabay]

7. depends if his cover involved anyone else there, when undercover you basically become a

Hermit outside of working, though you may be working all the time anyway due to socialising with your target. Be interesting none the less to see what comes of it.

[gopiscrap]

4. Yeah I wopuldn't be surprised, typical fucking cop behaviour

and typical for them to cover up for each other.

[JI7]

5. another article says there were more law enforcement riding

they say there could be 3 more other law enforcement who were with these bikers.


http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/celebrity-lawyer-gloria-allred-represents-biker-injured-suv-driver-attacked-upper-manhattan-article-1.1476093

certainly making more sense why the cops never went after them despite hundreds of complaints they get everytime they do this.

[newcriminal]

11. 6

http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20131004/washington-heights/nypd-investigating-role-of-6-cops-at-biker-rally-where-driver-was-beaten

[Hassin Bin Sober]

6. "used his silver helmet to smash the driver's side window of the victim's SUV. However, his role ...

....in the actual assault of the driver is unclear"

WTF.

I would say if you were the guy who smashed open the window to gain access to the victim, your role is VERY clear.

Of course, a few clown/apologists here would say maybe he was inviting the family to tea and crumpet.

[TorchTheWitch]

25. he wasn't

Read it again. They identified the rider that smashed the window and named him. The article is clearly talking about two entirely separate people.

[Cerridwen]

8. "Drug war"

Undercover narcotics officer.

He/she is infiltrating to fight the "drug war."

Can we fucking stop that war? Please.

Addiction is a medical condition. Not a criminal condition. Not a character condition. Not a "moral" condition.

A medical condition. Treat it as such.

[uppityperson]

9. However, those who prey on the addicted are criminals.

[Cerridwen]

10. Which they couldn't do if we didn't make them criminals first. n/t

[uppityperson]

13. Stealing drugs, cooking up meth, running a group of young girl prostitutes to pay for heroin

none of those would be illegal if we didn't make the addicted criminals?

I agree, treat the addicted rather than prosecute them. But those who deal with illegal nasty ass drugs? Not the addicted users but the dealers? Lock them up. Stop the flow of nasty drugs.

[Cerridwen]

14. Equating the extreme to the moderate.

It's an effective tactic.

One which I didn't employ.

Most of the shit you posted as the extreme, may be mitigated by treating addictions as medical rather than criminal.

Treat addictions as medical rather than criminal and people might not, might not, go to extremes to fix their addictions.

Everything you posted about the extreme are methods to get money to treat addictions.

Figure it out.

[uppityperson]

15. As I said, drug addiction should be treated. But those who do the nasty shit are criminals.

You seem to want to insult and snark rather than discuss. I've better things to do. Goodbye.

[Cerridwen]

16. People who exploit those with medical conditions are scum.

Good bye.

Have a great evening and sleep well in the knowledge that you were right and I was wrong.

This one time, I thought I might have the last word. I don't do that often. But <DU rules censored>.

[uppityperson]

19. Again, no discussion is wanted by you. Simply "right...wrong" and cussing.

I see you answering similar to others. Have a good night then.

[Cerridwen]

20. Had to get the last word, didja? Sorry. n/t

[uppityperson]

22. :0

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3787531

[Cerridwen]

24. Awwww, a double team. How nice you found a friend. n/t

[Live and Learn]

32. Stop the war on drugs and most of the "nasty shit" WILL disappear.

Just as it did when prohibition was lifted.

[TorchTheWitch]

36. you don't think users do the same thing?

Drug addicts steal, brake into homes, threaten people, beat people, kill people and do all manner of criminal behavior to get their fix and/or because of what the drugs do to their minds. TRY to treat their addiction but prosecute the fuck out of them for the mayhem they cause to others.

One of my addict neighbors is in jail right now after stealing around $2000 from another neighbor after breaking into their house and in trying to escape THREW their 8 year old little boy out of the doorway where he cracked his head on the cement walkway and had to spend 3 days in the hospital for his injuries while his poor mother has no medical insurance. She's lost custody of her kids, and now she's sitting in jail. AGAIN.

Do you know how many times she's been through rehab? FOUR that I know of since I've been living here. How many times before that I have no idea. Getting off of drugs is damn hard enough for people that WANT to. Trying to get people to get off of drugs that DON'T want to simply doesn't work. And it's not worked for her because she's NEVER voluntarily done rehab and does not WANT to stop taking drugs.

The second she gets out the FIRST thing she does is go buy drugs, and she'll steal and lie and prostitute herself letting all manner of pigs around her young kids because of her addiction. She'd buy drugs before she'd get her kid diapers, or even FOOD. When trying to treat someone's addiction that doesn't WANT to be treated for it continues doing drugs and causing all manner of misery to everyone around them at just what point are people to put up with the shit they cause others?

She's been doing this for years and years. An endless cycle that has fucked up her kids and caused more mayhem to more people than can be counted. At what point do you have to put her in jail and keep her there for a loooong ass time? And in 90 days she'll be back again doing the same old shit, get custody of her kids back again (she's lost custody TWICE already) and the same shit starts all over again. In the first year she lived on my street she did the 90 day stint THREE times... just in the first YEAR.

I would be THRILLED if she was thrown in jail and KEPT there so she can make license plates for pennies an hour until she pays back the $250 she stole from ME several years ago and all the other thousands and thousands of dollars from others she's stolen to feed her addiction not to mention pay for all the psychological counseling her kids desperately need.

[uppityperson]

41. Of course I think that, they do and should be prosecuted. Addiction is a nasty thing, very hard to

get treated. You have to want to, you have to go through hell all the time.

[Gravitycollapse]

17. Making everything legal won't make crime magically disappear.

And not everything should be legal.

[Cerridwen]

18. I don't believe I said that.

I said if you treat addiction as a medical condition those with medical conditions get treatment and don't need to turn to criminal activities to support their addiction and those who would exploit them become obvious criminals.

My apologies. I thought that was obvious. I forget this is a "new" DU and reading comprehension is subservient to political gamesmanship.

[Gravitycollapse]

21. Stop being rude and people will treat you and your responses better.

With that being said, I'll ignore it for now.

I do agree that addiction should be treated as an addiction. But that won't make illegal drug production go away. There will always be addicts. And that means there will always be drug rings. We can address the addict but we also have to address the pushers. Some aren't very nice people. Especially the higher ups.

[Cerridwen]

23. Good for you.

Rude is awful, isn't it? Especially when it's not really rude and you can't alert it as such but you can keep saying it. (Hi, again jury. Sorry. Hide. Don't Hide. Have a great night whichever. It's nothing personal; just politics.)

Awful. Just awful.

I did not once say that there weren't criminals involved. Review my posts. Hell, check my posting history. I said that if those who were addicted were treated as medical cases rather than criminal cases those who would profiteer from those addicted would have a much harder time profiteering.

An inconvenient truth.

[Gravitycollapse]

26. And what I am saying is it would not be difficult at all.

We can treat the addict but that won't stop people from being addicted. Even if we make a specific drug legal, there will still be an illegal market. Especially for anything cheaper and unregulated. So now we have addicts addicted to extremely poorly produced toxic waste pushed by some really terrible people at rock bottom prices.

That's a serious problem.

[Cerridwen]

27. "that won't stop people from being addicted"

No, but it might stop addicts from winding up in the downward spiral of trying to get money for addictions that leads to criminal activities.

Yes, "That's a serious problem." It is created by the manufactured "drug war."

That is a much more serious problem.

Quit criminalizing medical conditions. That really isn't that nuanced.


Now, excuse me, I'm going to watch movies.

Have a great night.

[Gravitycollapse]

28. Sure, the drug war is pointless. But you still have to enforce...

Laws that target the criminal enterprises. Does that make sense? Treat the addict as an addict. But at the same time target the criminal enterprises. And I'm not talking about the guy slinging crack on the corner.

[Live and Learn]

30. But the guy on the corner is exactly who they do target.

And it never changes.

[truebluegreen]

34. Thank you, Cerridwen!

A voice of reason and sanity on the insane Drug War.

[Comrade Grumpy]

39. Why would there be an illegal market for a legal drug?

The only reason I can think of is that there exorbitant taxes on it.

Without some level of taxation, the currently illegal drugs would sell for low prices. You want to set taxes high enough to discourage frivolous use, but not so high as to encourage tax-evading contraband markets. It's doable.

Yeah, there are limited black markets in legal drugs, like untaxed North Carolina cigarettes going to NYC, or the market in alcohol to minors (which seems to have always existed), but they don't seem very problematic.

[Fumesucker]

44. Last time I checked the CEOs of Anheiser Busch and Seagrams are not under arrest or indictment

Yet alcoholics are addicted.

[Live and Learn]

29. Yeah, protecting his cover because arresting someone for drugs

is more important than stopping an assault and someone getting paralyzed. And they've lost their cover now anyway.

[Live and Learn]

31. +1 nt

[Dawson Leery]

12. Does there need to be a federal investigation?

[AnotherMcIntosh]

33. If the DOJ won't investigate other cops, why should they investigate this one?

[dkf]

35. Updated: New York News 5 off-duty officers among bikers in SUV incident

[TorchTheWitch]

37. Oh lovely

No wonder they do nothing about these thugs. Then again, the riders come from all over.

I wonder how they found out? I doubt they all went to their captains and said "Hey, I was one of those asswagons, too!"

Fire them.

[Octafish]

38. NYPD works closely with the most interesting people.

FBI Document—“(DELETED)” Plots To Kill Occupy Leaders “If Deemed Necessary”

By Dave Lindorff
June 27, 2013 WhoWhatWhy.org

Would you be shocked to learn that the FBI apparently knew that some organization, perhaps even a law enforcement agency or private security outfit, had contingency plans to assassinate peaceful protestors in a major American city — and did nothing to intervene?

Would you be surprised to learn that this intelligence comes not from a shadowy whistle-blower but from the FBI itself – specifically, from a document obtained from Houston FBI office last December, as part of a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request filed by the Washington, DC-based Partnership for Civil Justice Fund?

To repeat: this comes from the FBI itself. The question, then, is: What did the FBI do about it?

The Plot

Remember the Occupy Movement? The peaceful crowds that camped out in the center of a number of cities in the fall of 2011, calling for some recognition by local, state and federal authorities that our democratic system was out of whack, controlled by corporate interests, and in need of immediate repair?

That movement swept the US beginning in mid-September 2011. When, in early October, the movement came to Houston, Texas, law enforcement officials and the city’s banking and oil industry executives freaked out perhaps even more so than they did in some other cities. The push-back took the form of violent assaults by police on Occupy activists, federal and local surveillance of people seen as organizers, infiltration by police provocateurs—and, as crazy as it sounds, some kind of plot to assassinate the “leaders” of this non-violent and leaderless movement.

CONTINUED...

http://whowhatwhy.com/2013/06/27/fbi-document-deleted-plots-to-kill-occupy-leaders-if-deemed-necessary/

Secret Police. Secret Spying. Secret Laws. Secret Detentions. Secret Executions...Anyone seeing a pattern, here?

[TorchTheWitch]

40. not all of them are likely NYPD

These guys come from all over for this ride.

If they all are or even most of them are though than it might explain why NYPD never does shit about these thugs.

[Decaffeinated]

42. Oh Good.. an excuse to cop hate...

[Gravitycollapse]

43. *Another excuse to cop hate. They make it pretty easy for us.

[TorchTheWitch]

45. this is coming from one reporter

http://news.search.yahoo.com/search?p=five+nypd+officers+bikers&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-600-s&fr2=newsdd

5 off-duty officers among bikers in SUV incident
WABC-TV New York Oct 04 04:04am
Eyewitness News reporter N.J. Burkett has learned that five NYPD personnel are believed to have been in the group of bikers.

5 off-duty officers among bikers in SUV incident
KFSN-TV Fresno 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
Eyewitness News reporter N.J. Burkett has learned that five NYPD personnel are believed to have been in the group of bikers.

ABC News is also the only one saying there was one off-duty undercover officer that turned himself in to superiors and got an attorney.

Given what explosive news this is I find this really odd. The five officer story is only coming from one reporter with unidentified sources. Seeing as ABC local news is an affiliate of ABC why doesn't ABC also have this story?

Until I see more about this being reported by other news outlets I'm not thinking it's so accurate. By this time this news should be all over every news outlet there is with other reporters confirming especially since it's reported that they all turned themselves in to superiors.