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joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 07:27 PM Oct 2013

Montana Newlywed Pushes Husband Off Cliff to His Death

A Montana woman pleaded not guilty to murder and other charges Friday, three months after she allegedly pushed her newlywed husband off a cliff as the hiked through a national park.

Jordan Linn Graham was arraigned Friday in a U.S. District Court in Missoula, Montana, about 130 miles south of where her newlywed husband Cody Johnson fell to his death on July 7.

A federal grand jury on Thursday charged Graham with first- and second-degree murder and making false statements.

On Friday, she was read those charges but waived a reading of the indictment, according to a court document. She subsequently pleaded not guilty on all three counts, was released as she had been before, and her next court appearance was set for October 15.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/04/justice/montana-husband-death/

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Montana Newlywed Pushes Husband Off Cliff to His Death (Original Post) joeybee12 Oct 2013 OP
Yeah that blew me away, we were at GNP the day that happened gopiscrap Oct 2013 #1
Yikes. Usually we just get people falling off glaciers or being eaten by a grizzly. LiberalLoner Oct 2013 #3
Yah, I was working at a Mennonite Church just outside of Kalispell gopiscrap Oct 2013 #4
I didn't even know we had Mennonites in Kalispell. There is a Hutterite colony over the LiberalLoner Oct 2013 #6
wow how cool gopiscrap Oct 2013 #12
You know the big bronze statue of a soldier in depot park in Kalispell? LiberalLoner Oct 2013 #36
Oh, gosh, that's just awful. yewberry Oct 2013 #2
Sounds like she was worried. Cerridwen Oct 2013 #5
Except, if you watch the video at the CNN link she did some very odd things (including ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #8
You and I can wait. The OP has already determined and judged Cerridwen Oct 2013 #11
I'm an innocent until proven guilty girl. I'm hoping the OP ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #13
Really hating the quality of "news reporting" these days. Cerridwen Oct 2013 #20
Agreed. Yesterday's Capitol incident was glaring proof of that. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #35
Oh, gawd. That one was awful. Cerridwen Oct 2013 #41
WTF? Give it a freaking rest... joeybee12 Oct 2013 #17
I followed your link. Cerridwen Oct 2013 #26
I'm sure I read that she admitted pushing him off the cliff n/t malaise Oct 2013 #25
Yes, she did. I wasn't discussing that. n/t Cerridwen Oct 2013 #34
Sounds more like she was planning it out FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #14
See my post #11. Cerridwen Oct 2013 #30
Why change the title of the article like that? Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #7
Bless you. Cerridwen Oct 2013 #9
It's actually true (even though changing the title is suspicious). She ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #10
Honestly...ffs...she pushed him... joeybee12 Oct 2013 #18
Yes... I read it... Why change the title of the article though? Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #23
+1 same thought here!!!! lunasun Oct 2013 #47
The charge should be manslaughter Warpy Oct 2013 #15
I agree with you. This wasn't Robert Spangler, who deliberately killed one of his wives duffyduff Oct 2013 #16
They're probably hoping for a plea bargain Warpy Oct 2013 #19
It's SOP in these cases. The defendant will plead not guilty in the hope of a reduced sentence. n/t duffyduff Oct 2013 #45
She killed him. She's guilty. LukeFL Oct 2013 #38
There are degrees of guilt. Not every case of murder is first-degree. duffyduff Oct 2013 #44
Would you be saying the same thing if he had pushed her over the cliff? davidn3600 Oct 2013 #21
In the same circumstances, of course. Warpy Oct 2013 #24
And I hate that tactic. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #28
I thought the evidence was actually in the concrete itself with Scott? bettyellen Oct 2013 #43
Please. She should be sentenced to life LukeFL Oct 2013 #39
Were you there? What's wrong with you? Warpy Oct 2013 #40
I wasn't there /the link says they just had LukeFL Oct 2013 #42
There are degrees of guilt, Luke. I think you know that. n/t duffyduff Oct 2013 #46
The Seven Minute Itch? Auggie Oct 2013 #22
It's funnier if there isn't an actual death involved. n/t Cerridwen Oct 2013 #27
Lighten up a little ... it's Friday! Auggie Oct 2013 #32
No. Humor involves timing. Get a new watch. Cerridwen Oct 2013 #37
You think this is a funny story I assume? n-t Logical Oct 2013 #31
Evryone knows you have to wait at least three years, newcriminal Oct 2013 #29
Unbelievable... ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #33

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)
4. Yah, I was working at a Mennonite Church just outside of Kalispell
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 07:33 PM
Oct 2013

and it was all over the news the next day.

LiberalLoner

(9,761 posts)
6. I didn't even know we had Mennonites in Kalispell. There is a Hutterite colony over the
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 07:38 PM
Oct 2013

Mountains.

It's all cool. My ancestors, the ones who settled in Montana in the late 1800's, were Amish going way back to the Anabaptists in Switzerland.

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)
12. wow how cool
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 07:41 PM
Oct 2013

there is a Mennonite Church (it's on Old Mennonite Church Road) just off of I think (35?) called Mountain View Mennonite Church in Creston. I was there to help them celebrate their 100th anniversary, in fact I was just there last weekend also...we stayed at the Travelodge in Kalispell.

LiberalLoner

(9,761 posts)
36. You know the big bronze statue of a soldier in depot park in Kalispell?
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 08:08 PM
Oct 2013

My Dad and another man got that done, start to finish. My Dad posed for the statue. So the hands and body are his but they used a younger face because my Dad was over 70.

Cerridwen

(13,258 posts)
5. Sounds like she was worried.
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 07:37 PM
Oct 2013

From a text entered into the court documents in the differently titled article to which you linked.

Graham <the bride> then replied, "Dead serious, if u don't hear from me at all again tonight, something happened," according to a court document filed in the case.


ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
8. Except, if you watch the video at the CNN link she did some very odd things (including
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 07:38 PM
Oct 2013

faking an email account) in the hours after, along with telling multiple lies. Could be out of fear. We'll have to wait and see I guess.

Cerridwen

(13,258 posts)
11. You and I can wait. The OP has already determined and judged
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 07:41 PM
Oct 2013

as evidenced by the title change. Titles have effects on ones reading of the article and what and how the article is discussed.

Me? I'm going to wait to see if more comes out. She may have been starting to disappear because she was planning something. The question becomes, was the something murder or escape or something totally different.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
13. I'm an innocent until proven guilty girl. I'm hoping the OP
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 07:42 PM
Oct 2013

did not intend for that to happen (the accused has admitted to the push and says it was an accident--still odd to change a title though)

Cerridwen

(13,258 posts)
20. Really hating the quality of "news reporting" these days.
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 07:55 PM
Oct 2013

More editorial and speculation than facts half the time and the other half appears to be constant lying.

Makes it tough for those of us who want to figure out what the hell is going on.

Cerridwen

(13,258 posts)
41. Oh, gawd. That one was awful.
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 08:13 PM
Oct 2013

I remember all the conflicting stories out of Newtown. That, too, was horrible.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
17. WTF? Give it a freaking rest...
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 07:51 PM
Oct 2013

If you go to the story on the front page, that's the title, then the link itself it's different...besides, she pushed him to his death, she admitted that...ffs...talk about an assinine accusation.

Cerridwen

(13,258 posts)
26. I followed your link.
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 07:59 PM
Oct 2013

Your link had an article with a different title. Your link was not to the front page.

I posted something about titles a few days ago. No I don't expect that you have read it. That's not snark. It means simply I don't read every OP so I don't expect others have either.

Here is the link (it is my OP) and this is why I think titles are important:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023744243

Another reason I know titles to be important is because I have caught "news" sites changing titles to completely alter the meaning. It influences how we read the article and what we focus on in the article.



 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
14. Sounds more like she was planning it out
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 07:45 PM
Oct 2013
"Graham stated she could have just walked away, but due to her anger, she pushed Johnson with both hands in the back and as a result, he fell face first off the cliff," according to the affidavit.


that is her own statement

Ohio Joe

(21,756 posts)
7. Why change the title of the article like that?
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 07:38 PM
Oct 2013

Montana woman accused of pushing husband off cliff pleads not guilty

Did you find her guilty already?

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
10. It's actually true (even though changing the title is suspicious). She
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 07:40 PM
Oct 2013

admits to pushing him/says it was an accident. Wait and see time.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
18. Honestly...ffs...she pushed him...
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 07:52 PM
Oct 2013

Whether it was self-defense is another story...read the whole freaking thing.

Ohio Joe

(21,756 posts)
23. Yes... I read it... Why change the title of the article though?
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 07:57 PM
Oct 2013

Does it not stand on it's own? Why the need to push opinion with changes?

Warpy

(111,261 posts)
15. The charge should be manslaughter
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 07:45 PM
Oct 2013

This sounds like a terrible accident in the middle of a heated argument.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
16. I agree with you. This wasn't Robert Spangler, who deliberately killed one of his wives
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 07:48 PM
Oct 2013

by pushing her down into the Grand Canyon during a hike. He already killed his first wife and kids.

Warpy

(111,261 posts)
19. They're probably hoping for a plea bargain
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 07:53 PM
Oct 2013

followed by quiet sentencing. Either that, or some jackass of a DA is sensationalizing this because he's running for reelection next year.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
45. It's SOP in these cases. The defendant will plead not guilty in the hope of a reduced sentence. n/t
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 08:50 PM
Oct 2013

LukeFL

(594 posts)
38. She killed him. She's guilty.
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 08:09 PM
Oct 2013

Weather she didn't mean to or not--/ she reacted out of anger. You don't kill people just because you are angry. How about walking away?

I hope she is found guilty and serves a life sentence.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
21. Would you be saying the same thing if he had pushed her over the cliff?
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 07:56 PM
Oct 2013

People here would be demanding the death penalty if that was true.

Warpy

(111,261 posts)
24. In the same circumstances, of course.
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 07:58 PM
Oct 2013

You seem to be judging me according to what you think you've read from other people.

This is wrong.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
28. And I hate that tactic.
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 08:03 PM
Oct 2013

Signed, one who is still in disbelief that Scott Peterson got the death penalty with so little concrete evidence.

LukeFL

(594 posts)
39. Please. She should be sentenced to life
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 08:10 PM
Oct 2013

Or first degree. She's a murderer and just because you are angry doesn't give you the right to kill someone.

What's wrong with DU???

Warpy

(111,261 posts)
40. Were you there? What's wrong with you?
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 08:13 PM
Oct 2013

I doubt she knew he was in such a precarious position.

Of course, I realize you have been a paragon all your life and have never had a heated argument with anyone, so I'm sure this is difficult for you to understand.

LukeFL

(594 posts)
42. I wasn't there /the link says they just had
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 08:15 PM
Oct 2013

An argument. You go ahead and defend a killer. I won't. No mountain of evidence will not take away the fact she killed someone who trusted her ( that's what husbands and wife's do) --- if you are angry wiu walk away.

 

newcriminal

(2,190 posts)
29. Evryone knows you have to wait at least three years,
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 08:03 PM
Oct 2013

for it to be acceptable to kill your husband. She hasn't put up with enough toilet seats being left up, socks on the living room floor, and blaming the dog for his farts to kill him.

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