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Arusha STERNER punishment awaits poachers following government's finalisation of a Bill to check rising wave of poaching incidents in the country.
The Minister for Natural Resources and Tourism, Amb. Khamis Kagasheki told this paper on Friday that the Bill is scheduled for tabling in the National Assembly next month.
Amb. Kagasheki admitted that the current law was lenient and had loopholes that culprits took advantage of."Poachers must be harshly punished because they are merciless people who wantonly kill our wildlife and sometimes game wardens, he said. He said due to the rising crime level, he could not help thinking that shooting on the spot of the culprits, could go a long way towards checking the killings. "I am very aware that some alleged human rights activists will make an uproar, claiming that poachers have as much rights to be tried in courts as the next person, but let's face it, poachers not only kill wildlife but also usually never hesitate to shoot dead any innocent person standing in their way," stated Amb. Kagasheki.
The minister was speaking at the climax of the global 'Elephant March' held in 15 countries worldwide and in Tanzania, about 3 kilometres mass walk was held in Arusha, which is the country's capital for tourism. The march started in Majengo area and wound up at the AICC Club grounds in Kijenge area.
http://allafrica.com/stories/201310070124.html
Poachers are killing 30 to 70 large elephants per day. Interesting article.
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trumad
(41,692 posts)My reply was yeah---if it happened in America.
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)death penalty and i didnt want to have a discussion about it. i also didnt realize the the anti-dp sentiment ended at the waters edge (which im sure doesnt but it sure comes in handy now.)
thankyou for proving my point
btw it is happening in america wasnt micheal vic doing this kind of things to dogs (oh well that's different b/c of ....... (fill in the blank))
trumad
(41,692 posts)Last edited Mon Oct 7, 2013, 10:52 AM - Edit history (1)
It was a total strawman.
You pro death penalty?
snooper2
(30,151 posts)I mean, there are single shots to the head or lethal injection, but PTO death!
That's fucked up!
trumad
(41,692 posts)I asked for PTO today for work===must be on my mind.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I'm not a fan, but the idea is hardly novel. It underlies the killing of pirates, for instance.
jollyreaper2112
(1,941 posts)It's subject to abuse of course.
The basic problem is that we have not financially incentivized nature property. There's plenty of money in poaching and logging and destruction but not much in preservation. Preserving elephants for posterity doesn't feed my kids today. And even if I'm ruining the land and my chances at feeding myself in a year, I'm hungry now. You can't tell a starving man to not eat the seed corn.
Pretty much what you would need is an international fund paid into by wealthy nations to safeguard vulnerable poorer nations. And there would have to be serious teeth. The Chinese still love their rhino horn and tiger dongs. They have no interest in stemming demand.
The problem is nobody really gives a shit. They don't care when cultural artifacts and peoples are destroyed. It really doesn't affect our well being. The arts? Ha. Now what happens when you trash the oceans? We can't breathe. We can't feed ourselves. See? It does affect us. And we still can't get any traction on the issue.
Then again, the job of politicians in most democracies now seems to be preventing the will of the people from curtailing the activities of the rich. Success is measured by how well politicians can hold down the body politic on the pinball table while the rich get rapey.
Can we get some change up in here? I don't think so.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)The threat of that is only only effective deterrent to their appalling practices.
Hopefully the same penalty will be applied to rhino poachers too.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Right now, there is no other punishment or deterrent to poaching that seems to work.
When you are out there in the wide open spaces of Africa, you understand why.
The job of effectively policing the entire habitat of elephants to protect them is daunting. Poachers feel like they have a good chance of getting away with killing an elephant and taking its tusks before rangers can get to them.
If they feel they are risking their lives and will be shot if caught, it might deter a fair percentage of them.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)other person or organization, doing their dirty work...killing them sucks, nothing else is working...will this deter others? Not sure.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,871 posts)I don't see any way to stop it.
The only places these big animals will be able to survice will be in zoos.
None of the large animals are going to be able to survive the slaughter.
Makes me sick to my stomach.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Having said that, it would seem to be an excellent idea all around not to shoot elephants in Tanzania.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)I don't know if there are enough wardens out there. There doesn't seem to be any effective punishment in place.
Maybe the threat of this happening will deter poaching.
Ranchemp.
(1,991 posts)so I do support this extreme measure.
Elephants are beautiful animals and need to be protected, as do all creatures and if this is what it takes to keep poachers from destroying them, then, so be it, maybe it'll deter some some from shooting such a magnificent animal.
malaise
(269,182 posts)scumbags.
Great news.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)And may they rot in hell afterwards!