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kentuck

(111,101 posts)
Tue Oct 8, 2013, 09:47 PM Oct 2013

Colorado Springs mom resumes son's chemo after doctors balk at marijuana treatment

<snip>
Facing the threat of a bitter court battle, a Colorado Springs mother on Monday resumed treating her 3-year-old son's cancer the traditional way: using chemotherapy.

Had she been left to choose, Sierra Riddle would have swapped those chemo-filled pills for a unique strain of medicinal marijuana grown near Divide.

<snip>
Children's Hospital doctors in Colorado Springs ordered the treatment, and the case was reported to the El Paso County Department of Human Services when Riddle refused. The case has raised the issue of parental rights when weighed against doctors' expertise - a debate that boils down to whether Landon Riddle's mother could scientifically prove her case in court, said F. Scott McCown, director of the University of Texas' Children's Rights Clinic. In other words, they have to side with research.

<snip>
She planned to continue the marijuana supplements until a doctor at Children's Hospital objected and her case was reported to the El Paso County Department of Human Services.



http://gazette.com/colorado-springs-mom-resumes-sons-chemo-after-doctors-balk-at-marijuana-treatment/article/1507382

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Colorado Springs mom resumes son's chemo after doctors balk at marijuana treatment (Original Post) kentuck Oct 2013 OP
Good for her for not having it go to court Warpy Oct 2013 #1
I clicked on the link, but the article doesn't show, just the title and author. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #2
Hmmmm... kentuck Oct 2013 #4
Perhaps I do, but this is the first time an article didn't show, just the title. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #7
You may be able to go into your Control Panel... kentuck Oct 2013 #8
I opened it up but I'm not sure what to delete. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #13
click on under "jobs" and "classified" the word "marijuana" and it will take you to the story. mucifer Oct 2013 #14
Thanks for the tips, mucifer. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #15
Yeah, you don't want to delete anything... kentuck Oct 2013 #31
Good. If she hadn't, child should be taken into protective custody. longship Oct 2013 #3
Wow that was VERY irresponsible what this mom did. This is a VERY treatable type of cancer. mucifer Oct 2013 #5
cause mom believes in woo, most likely. dionysus Oct 2013 #6
Here's some Cancer.gov woo for you solarhydrocan Oct 2013 #9
i know there are benefits. limited ones. to forgo traditional treatments with dionysus Oct 2013 #16
They won't read it or acknowledge it RandiFan1290 Oct 2013 #22
Charlotte has a seizure disorder. Not ALL leukemia that has a 90% cure rate with chemo and a 10% mucifer Oct 2013 #25
It's all woo to them RandiFan1290 Oct 2013 #27
I agree with the human studies for MMJ. But, meanwhile if there is a treatment that works, use it. mucifer Oct 2013 #29
Did you read the article? Beaverhausen Oct 2013 #10
Her child was vomiting a lot every day. So she should get the marijuana for that. mucifer Oct 2013 #11
Agreed. I'd suggest MMJ and chemo... backscatter712 Oct 2013 #23
If the prognosis was awful, then I would say only MMJ if they find doctors who agree mucifer Oct 2013 #24
A victory for science based medicine... SidDithers Oct 2013 #12
get with the program Sid, why dontcha? dionysus Oct 2013 #17
someone i know has a vested interest in these things madrchsod Oct 2013 #19
do you realize medicinal marijuana has been around since 2900 bc? madrchsod Oct 2013 #18
I fully support its use as a complement to chemo... SidDithers Oct 2013 #20
yup that won`t work! madrchsod Oct 2013 #30
And it's great for dealing with the side-effects of chemo Recursion Oct 2013 #21
And yet if she had left a gun around and the kid shot himself malaise Oct 2013 #26
What do you think about Jehovah's Witnesses who don't do transfusions for their kids mucifer Oct 2013 #28

Warpy

(111,270 posts)
1. Good for her for not having it go to court
Tue Oct 8, 2013, 09:51 PM
Oct 2013

and losing medical custody. Grass is a great adjunct to chemo, helping patients cope with nausea and keep their weight up. I worked in one chemo unit that had an unheated stairwell open to the outdoors where patients would go "for a little fresh air" and come back reeking of pot smoke and we all looked the other way. We've known for decades about how much more bearable it makes chemo. It's time for the DEA to drop its persecution of people who use this plant for any and all reasons.

Uncle Joe

(58,365 posts)
2. I clicked on the link, but the article doesn't show, just the title and author.
Tue Oct 8, 2013, 09:51 PM
Oct 2013

Thanks for the thread, kentuck.

kentuck

(111,101 posts)
4. Hmmmm...
Tue Oct 8, 2013, 10:31 PM
Oct 2013

Sometimes the Gazette is blocked to certain programs? Do you have Ghostery or a similar program to block ads and cookies? It worked for me??

Uncle Joe

(58,365 posts)
7. Perhaps I do, but this is the first time an article didn't show, just the title.
Tue Oct 8, 2013, 10:37 PM
Oct 2013

I may need to get my brother out here to clean my computer up.

I made the mistake of downloading a program a couple of weeks ago to view a short movie (Monthy Python) and I have been getting pop-up blockers ever since.

kentuck

(111,101 posts)
8. You may be able to go into your Control Panel...
Tue Oct 8, 2013, 10:43 PM
Oct 2013

and click on the Add or Remove icon and remove the program if you recall what it was?

Uncle Joe

(58,365 posts)
13. I opened it up but I'm not sure what to delete.
Tue Oct 8, 2013, 11:26 PM
Oct 2013

One thing I do know, before I had Google as my home page after I downloaded what was needed to view the Monty Python short, it switched to Ask.

longship

(40,416 posts)
3. Good. If she hadn't, child should be taken into protective custody.
Tue Oct 8, 2013, 09:54 PM
Oct 2013

Parents who make ignorant decisions like she had should lose their rights to make such decisions.

The child is the least of those responsible here. But a parent has a responsibility to make informed decisions.

mucifer

(23,548 posts)
5. Wow that was VERY irresponsible what this mom did. This is a VERY treatable type of cancer.
Tue Oct 8, 2013, 10:31 PM
Oct 2013

It is ALL leukemia in a 3 yo. I am a pediatric nurse. She should not have stopped the treatment:

A new study shows that children with the most common type of childhood cancer, acute lymphoblastic leukemia (ALL) have a survival rate of more than 90%. ALL accounts for about 3 out of 4 cases of childhood leukemia.


Researchers from the University of Colorado Cancer Center found that the 5-year survival rate for children and adolescents with ALL improved from 83.7% for those diagnosed between 1990 and 1994, to 90.4% for those diagnosed between 2000 and 2005. In the 1960s, the 5-year survival rate was less than 10%. The survival rates increased for girls and boys of all racial and ethnic groups and for all age groups except infants under 1 year old. Improvements in survival for African-American patients with ALL were so significant, they narrowed the racial survival gap.


http://www.cancer.org/cancer/news/childhood-leukemia-survival-rates-improve-significantly

Why would you stop a treatment that has a 90% 5 year survival rate that used to have a less than 10% survival rate and put the child on marijuana???

I would understand if it was a different kind of cancer with a very poor prognosis. I could understand using marijuana oil for the nausea and vomiting. But, why would she stop the chemo?

Doctors sure can't cure a lot of things. But, chemotherapy has done some amazing things for kids with cancer.


solarhydrocan

(551 posts)
9. Here's some Cancer.gov woo for you
Tue Oct 8, 2013, 11:00 PM
Oct 2013

Cancer.gov: Have any preclinical (laboratory or animal) studies been conducted using Cannabis or cannabinoids?


Preclinical studies of cannabinoids have investigated the following activities:

Antitumor activity
Studies in mice and rats have shown that cannabinoids may inhibit tumor growth by causing cell death, blocking cell growth, and blocking the development of blood vessels needed by tumors to grow. Laboratory and animal studies have shown that cannabinoids may be able to kill cancer cells while protecting normal cells.

A study in mice showed that cannabinoids may protect against inflammation of the colon and may have potential in reducing the risk of colon cancer, and possibly in its treatment.

A laboratory study of delta-9-THC in hepatocellular carcinoma (liver cancer) cells showed that it damaged or killed the cancer cells. The same study of delta-9-THC in mouse models of liver cancer showed that it had antitumor effects. Delta-9-THC has been shown to cause these effects by acting on molecules that may also be found in non-small cell lung cancer cells and breast cancer cells.

A laboratory study of cannabidiol in estrogen receptor positive and estrogen receptor negative breast cancer cells showed that it caused cancer cell death while having little effect on normal breast cells.

A laboratory study of cannabidiol in human glioma cells showed that when given along with chemotherapy, cannabidiol may make chemotherapy more effective and increase cancer cell death without harming normal cells.


http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/patient/page2

Marijuana Cuts Lung Cancer Tumor Growth In Half, Study Shows

Apr. 17, 2007 — The active ingredient in marijuana cuts tumor growth in common lung cancer in half and significantly reduces the ability of the cancer to spread, say researchers at Harvard University who tested the chemical in both lab and mouse studies...
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070417193338.htm

Anti tumor effects have been known since the early '70s

Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74

In 1974 researchers learned that THC, the active chemical in marijuana, shrank or destroyed brain tumors in test mice. But the DEA quickly shut down the study and destroyed its results, which were never replicated -- until now...
http://www.alternet.org/story/9257/pot_shrinks_tumors%3B_government_knew_in_'74

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
16. i know there are benefits. limited ones. to forgo traditional treatments with
Tue Oct 8, 2013, 11:58 PM
Oct 2013

a cancer with a very high survival rate for THC alone is woo. irresponsible woo

RandiFan1290

(6,237 posts)
22. They won't read it or acknowledge it
Wed Oct 9, 2013, 07:56 AM
Oct 2013

These types think the parents are stuffing joints into their kid's mouth. They think the parents are just looking for a place to score some weed and are using their kids to do it.

Like Charlotte Figi and her family...Just more "woo"


mucifer

(23,548 posts)
25. Charlotte has a seizure disorder. Not ALL leukemia that has a 90% cure rate with chemo and a 10%
Wed Oct 9, 2013, 08:54 AM
Oct 2013

cure rate without chemotherapy. What might work for seizures and brain tumors might not work with every type of cancer.

RandiFan1290

(6,237 posts)
27. It's all woo to them
Wed Oct 9, 2013, 09:00 AM
Oct 2013

I just want the human studies to start. That is all. These parents shouldn't have to use cannabis as a last resort.

mucifer

(23,548 posts)
29. I agree with the human studies for MMJ. But, meanwhile if there is a treatment that works, use it.
Wed Oct 9, 2013, 09:06 AM
Oct 2013

Human studies for MMJ are to far in the future to help this child he needs a treatment now.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
23. Agreed. I'd suggest MMJ and chemo...
Wed Oct 9, 2013, 08:01 AM
Oct 2013

The MMJ is documented to be good at treating nausea & similar chemo side-effects.

MMJ instead of chemo is not a good idea.

mucifer

(23,548 posts)
24. If the prognosis was awful, then I would say only MMJ if they find doctors who agree
Wed Oct 9, 2013, 08:51 AM
Oct 2013

and can prescribe. But, if the prognosis was very poor with chemo, the parents could choose to not do chemo. No one would take them to court.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
12. A victory for science based medicine...
Tue Oct 8, 2013, 11:24 PM
Oct 2013

hopefully, the child lives a long, healthy life after successful treatment.

Sid

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
17. get with the program Sid, why dontcha?
Wed Oct 9, 2013, 12:06 AM
Oct 2013

"Nine months of treatments made him violently ill, his mother said, causing him to vomit 30 to 50 times a day. She moved from Utah to Colorado to seek alternative treatments and tried several remedies, including morphine and Oxycontin.

In May, Riddle tried something else.

She stopped a daily regimen of chemotherapy pills in favor of a strain of marijuana called Charlotte's Web - a variety grown and sold in Teller County that has gained national attention."

show some compassion man! vaht?

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
19. someone i know has a vested interest in these things
Wed Oct 9, 2013, 12:12 AM
Oct 2013

the strains of medical marijuana that target certain conditions is growing each day. someday people will be able to grow or have someone grow for them the strain that will help their condition.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
18. do you realize medicinal marijuana has been around since 2900 bc?
Wed Oct 9, 2013, 12:06 AM
Oct 2013
http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.timeline.php?timelineID=000026

my brother in law used pot during his cancer treatments to lesson the effects of chemo and the anti nausea drug he was taking. it worked for him until he couldn't eat anymore then he used it to take the edge off the morphine .

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
20. I fully support its use as a complement to chemo...
Wed Oct 9, 2013, 07:41 AM
Oct 2013

this mom was using it on her child as a replacement for chemo.

Sid

malaise

(269,045 posts)
26. And yet if she had left a gun around and the kid shot himself
Wed Oct 9, 2013, 08:57 AM
Oct 2013

she'd get off Scott free. What a life. You can't make medical choices for your own children but the gun goons walk free.

mucifer

(23,548 posts)
28. What do you think about Jehovah's Witnesses who don't do transfusions for their kids
Wed Oct 9, 2013, 09:04 AM
Oct 2013

and their kids die? I see this as very similar. The doctors and the courts often work out a compromise with Jehovah's Witnesses where the hospital takes temporary custody during the treatment so the parents can keep custody and not feel they are responsible for the transfusions.

I'm glad the child is getting treatment and is with her family and I hope they can find decent ways to fight the side effects. MMJ is legal in that state. It doesn't work for everyone for nausea . I hope it helps her or they find something that does.

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