Are men really all that necessary in the future?

[Emelina]

Discussed here:

&list=WL0E100504AC4201ED

As this video suggests, men may not be all that necessary. Here are the reasons:

1) Sperm banks.
2) Alternative lifestyles (gay, polyandry, etc.) becoming more acceptable.
3) Women's economic power is exceeding men.

So as more men just give up on relationships, and the ratio of males who want something permanent decreases in relation to males, then maybe we will see a radical shift in marriage and family norms. What do you think?

[cali]

1. what an idiotic question.

I won't even deign to answer such swill.

oh and bullshit that women's economic power exceeds men's- let alone political power- not that either has anything to do with the topic.

I'm really offended by such nonsense as your op. see my sig line to discern precisely why.

[get the red out]

129. Absolutely agree

The OP doesn't make any sense at all.

[DireStrike]

2. Odd premise

Not that I haven't heard it before, but I must point out: the word "necessary" makes it sound like there's a choice. Is someone proposing that we halt production of males?

[davidn3600]

3. Oh boy...

[JHB]

23. Here, try mine. I brought one with chocolate bits mixed in.

[Fumesucker]

4. Are humans really all that necessary in the future?

http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/vinge/misc/singularity.html

Abstract

Within thirty years, we will have the technological
means to create superhuman intelligence. Shortly after,
the human era will be ended.

Is such progress avoidable? If not to be avoided, can
events be guided so that we may survive? These questions
are investigated. Some possible answers (and some further
dangers) are presented.

[davidn3600]

7. Machines will be asking themselves that question in about 50 years.

[Fumesucker]

16. Optimist n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

24. necessary for what?

I remember being extremely high at a Grateful Dead show, once, and being resolutely convinced that the entire function and purpose of the universe was for me to be right there at that exact moment, dancing like an epileptic scarecow to "Going Down The Road Feeling Bad".

If we do create super-intelligent machines, maybe they can sort out these kinds of existential conundrums.

[Fumesucker]

45. If you can remember going to a Dead concert

You weren't there.

I've enjoyed your live Dead posts, West LA Fadeaway was my favorite so far.

Already knows what she needs to know.

[Warren DeMontague]

142. Thanks

I'm thinking the one I had in mind was Compton Terrace, Tempe AZ in 1990, or else Cal St. Dominguez earlier that same year. (Which was in Compton, CA- an odd place, indeed, to see the Dead, and munges together in my head with the prior venue for that reason)

Either way, 89-90 did have some really good shows.

[d_r]

84. you were right

everything since has been denounment

[Warren DeMontague]

139. totally.

[mahina]

5. Oh brother.

Are any of us necessary?

I am, of course, but I'm not so sure about you!












Because this is a joke thread, right?

[Skittles]

6. I'VE HAD IT WITH MEN

*liked it too*

I think I'd like them to stay, thank you

[pinboy3niner]

8. We love you, too, Skittles

[Fumesucker]

13. +1

[Lasher]

9. Oooo, that was sneaky.

Funny too.

[steve2470]

44. thanks Skittles !

[MADem]

53. By far, the very best post of this uncertain thread! nt

[Sissyk]

117. haha!

Best answer in the thread!

[KitSileya]

10. Oh, for heaven's sake!

What an asinine question. Of course men will be necessary in the future. None of us have value only because we reproduce or produce - humans have intrinsic worth regardless of whether they can or choose to have children, or whether they can work or not. And men are humans. Gender has absolutely nothing to do with human worth or how much society needs individuals or groups.

[scheming daemons]

11. trash thread

[LadyHawkAZ]

12. Yes.

[pinboy3niner]

14. Not every ridiculous premise needs to be posted on DU

Last edited Wed Oct 9, 2013, 06:36 AM - Edit history (1)

Something idiotic on its face can be skipped--and, if posted thoughtlessly, should be self-deleted on second thought.

Especially if one wants to avoid a major ASS KICKING

[cali]

15. so far not one person has accepted this as a premise worthy of discussion

moronic crap gets what moronic crap deserves.

g'morning, pinboy.

[pinboy3niner]

31. G'morning, cali

We know we can always count on you to call a spade a spade and cut through the BS.

In a way, I hate even to kick a thread like this--except for the opportunity it gives to point and laugh, and enjoy the the responses.

I'd continue, but I seem to be fading fast...on my way to extinction...and oblivion...

[Emelina]

52. You could read this....

http://www.adlibris.com/se/bok/families-beyond-the-nuclear-ideal-9781780930107

You can bet that the future will see less reliance on the traditional framework of marriage that we have grown up with in American and western culture.

[cali]

64. and you could not post bullshit, but I'm not holding my breath, em.

there's a wide gulf between less reliance on the traditional framework of marriage and the proposal that men are "unnecessary".

DUH.

[snooper2]

138. Are you 12?

You shouldn't be posting on adult websites-

Talk to your parents about it K!

[LadyHawkAZ]

174. Unless you, for some strange reason, view marriage as the sole

point of contact between the genders, your premise does not match the (flamebait) question in the OP title. "Is marriage all that necessary in the future?" might have been a valid question and maybe generated an interesting discussion, but that's not what your title suggests. They are two different subjects.

I'll give you a few second worth of taking this stupidity seriously, and point out that a) humans do not reproduce asexually and b) sperm banks require donors that manufacture sperm i.e. males and c) people like to fuck, it's hardwired into most of them. Men will become unnecessary right about the time humanity dies out.

Enjoy the attention while it lasts.

[Jim Warren]

164. Isn't that the truth

reminds me of the old saying:

A wise person has something to say
A fool has to say something.

[LuvNewcastle]

17. A lot of things aren't necessary, but we don't want to lose them because

life without them wouldn't be worth living. Do you want to live or do you just want to survive?

[Warren DeMontague]

21. "necessary" is an interesting word.

I mean, is anything really "necessary"?

[LuvNewcastle]

27. Not really. I guess you could say that food and water are necessary for survival,

but are our lives necessary? Maybe we're necessary in the grand scheme of things, but we have no awareness of any of that during our lifetimes. It's truly an absurd question to ask if certain things or people are necessary.

[Warren DeMontague]

30. I agree.

I think when you start getting up to large scales, "necessary" becomes sort of meaningless. Certainly, supernovae are necessary for heavier elements, which are necessary for life as we know it, and so on.

But I don't think the decisions we make as a species on this one planet carry all that much impact beyond our own immediate neighborhood. So "necessary" is kind of up to us. I think anyone aspiring to claim any shred of moral decency isn't going to write off whole categories of people- or any people, for that matter- as "unnecessary".

It's sort of an offensive question, as well as an absurd question, isn't it.

[LuvNewcastle]

37. Yes, it is offensive. Who is anybody else to question my existence?

[BillyRibs]

18. WOW,

Is Your relationship that damaged?

[Warren DeMontague]

19. if you want to make the point that frozen sperm and gay marriage are going to eliminate men,

...can't you make it in less than an hour?

I'm clearly careening towards extinction, here. Not exactly running a temporal surplus.

[Emelina]

51. Well, there is this:

http://www.adlibris.com/se/bok/families-beyond-the-nuclear-ideal-9781780930107

The future...gonna be different.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

107. "if you want to make the point that frozen sperm and gay marriage are going to eliminate men"

Which is interesting because the OP's premise suggests 2 things --

1. The sperm banks won't require -- uhm -- deposits.

2. Gay marriage is awesome -- so long as you're not gay men.

[pinboy3niner]

111. Suggests three things, actually

One of them is homophobia.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

114. I cannot subscribe to any philosophy that doesn't inherently value everyone

To devalue people based on gender, race, etc. is -- well -- dehumanizing. If we aren't fighting FOR each other what the hell are we fighting for? Ourselves?

PFTT!

I'm not that special. I mean, yeah, I'm pretty awesome; but it's everybody else in the world that makes this all worthwhile.

[Warren DeMontague]

136. I'm giving the OP exactly the amount of serious thoughtful consideration

that it deserves.

[Gormy Cuss]

171. +1 n/t

[nomorenomore08]

188. +2

[Laffy Kat]

202. Technically, we don't need sperm either.

Two ova can fertilize each other in a test tube. Of course, all offspring would be female.

[intaglio]

20. Firstly I suggest you post this off DU

Secondly, I suggest you contemplate the angler fish.

Thirdly, consider that one day in vitro full term pregnancies might be possible and whether someone could ask the same question about women at such a time without being considered a fool.

[KitSileya]

25. No thank you, we don't want this trash in the feminist forums. n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

28. Why would the feminist forums want it?

I don't think you give them enough credit.

[cali]

29. uh, there's a suckass idea. this shit doesn't belong anyfuckingwhere on du.

[intaglio]

33. Sorry folks, edited n/t

[pitbullgirl1965]

22. You've got to be joking right?

What are you a Separatist feminist? *rolls eyes*

[leeroysphitz]

26. Are women?

Is anyone?

[Niceguy1]

40. women are nice in the winter

Warm and cuddly.

Nothingnlike spending time with the woman that you love.

[BainsBane]

167. or the man you love

[DinahMoeHum]

32. "We don't need the men, we don't need the men. . ."

". . .we don't need to have them around except for now and then. . ."

The lyrics:
http://people.wku.edu/charles.smith/MALVINA/mr180.htm

[Warren DeMontague]

34. No. However....

the flavor just isn't quite right when you try to substitute ingredients.

[Fumesucker]

36. "In all universe, there is no food as well-marbled as the American human!" -Kang

[Warren DeMontague]

137. Oh, Hell yea.

[Jamaal510]

177. +1

[malaise]

35. Yes and give thanks

Love 'em.

[cali]

38. are low count hit and run posters really welcome on du, em?

welcome and NO.

[pinboy3niner]

48. Lying low after making a flamebait post is a 'tell'

Not dispositive, but a reason for suspicion. Especially when there are no replies from the OP author in the discussion, no defense of the OP. Nothing.

[Emelina]

67. Then you missed the replies

Seriously, check out this http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/11/all-the-single-ladies/308654/article and tell me that life in 50 years is going to be the same:

[pinboy3niner]

72. You're citing a first-person article--one person's opinion

That is hardly a basis to support your ill-advised OP.

Still, at least you came back--eventually--to try to support this BS. I'll give you that.

[fitman]

130. Everything goes in circles...

The younger guys I work out with are pretty much fed up the hedonistic lifestyle and are wanting stable relationships, love etc.. they all say things are moving back in that direction..one night stands while ok (i"ve done plenty) cannot match up to sex with someone you love..

My younger nieces tell me the same thing....hookup culture is dying..they are seeing the beginings of it

Sucks coming home to an empty house..

[HughBeaumont]

39. Oh good. Extreme divide and conquer. It's what's for breakfast.

Yes, my gender historically and presently sucks in many ways (as it's been pointed out many . . . . MANY times), but is eliminating us the answer? Alpha sociopaths aren't limited to the Y chromosome.

[bluesbassman]

41. Necessary? Is it necessary for me to drink my own urine?

No, but I do it anyway because it's sterile and I like the taste.

[Warren DeMontague]

180. ***

[juajen]

42. Well, there will never be a time when I don't need a man.

Honestly, they're indispensable, as far as I am concerned. I love the way they hug, smile, and treat me like a scoop-able bit of fluff, and call me princess. Honestly, there are wonderful feelings we get only from them. They are much stronger than I am, and though I could probably learn to work on machines, use a weedeater, etc., I really would rather not. I don't like ladders, I don't like bugs, snakes, grasshoppers, well, you get it.

Their charm can be infectious and make my day. They do work a lot better after being trained, however. I truly love men. I also had big brothers who socked hell out of any out-of-line creep, and my brothers called me princess too, when they weren't telling on me for stealing.

I think, even though there are exceptions, we were made for each other.

[demwing]

43. I think that if I wrote a post asking if women were necessary

I'd be in a heap of trouble at DU

[cali]

46. you mean like this poster is for suggesting men aren't necessary?

Or are you actually trying to say that this was accepted in any fucking way?

don't even try.

[demwing]

47. Yep, just like the OP is

But to a gretet degree. What exactly is the reason behind the snide attitude?

[cali]

62. because your post is bullshit. YOU are doing the disingenuous whine

about how men are just so picked on and beleaguered on du and it's utter nonsense. It's particularly farcical that you chose to whinge away about it in this thread where not one fucking post endorses the crap in the op.

I find that disgusting- thus the "snide" attitude. Hope that's now clear.

[pinboy3niner]

65. I think you may have misread the poster

I didn't take it the way you did.

[demwing]

73. Im not too concerned about

What you find disgusting, but I am very impressed at the level of your outrage.

If I might offer some advice--you should try typing in all caps, it really helps to illustrate how absolutely angry you are!

Emoticons help also (see what I mean?)

Cheers!

[Pab Sungenis]

82. It was accepted by three jurors.

At Wed Oct 9, 2013, 08:07 AM you sent an alert on the following post:

Are men really all that necessary in the future?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023813319

The reason for the alert was:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

You added the following comments:

Misandry. Ask yourself how you would vote if a male posted the same article about women.

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this post at Wed Oct 9, 2013, 04:54 AM, and voted 3-3 to keep it.

Thank you.

As I've said before, misandry is tolerated on DU.

[DonCoquixote]

124. The Jury system wins again!

Seriously, beyond the question of gender, there is the simple idea that anythign that ponders GETTING RID OF PEOPLE is somehow not flamebait. This article could have been about marriage goign away, but no, it hd to take it to the extent of getting rid of people, and then say "what, flamebait, me?"

[hack89]

49. Who is going to kill the spiders when they get in the house?

according to my wife and daughter it is my main reason for being.

[pinboy3niner]

58. :)

[liberal N proud]

50. You may be able to bank sperm, but where you going to get it to bank?

Like opening a bank and no money to put in it.

[Emelina]

55. Only takes one man screened for desirable traits.

Many men have fathered dozens of kids through sperm banks.

[liberal N proud]

56. And when he runs dry?

Are you going to lock him up and make him jack off into a tube all day or just suck it out?

[fitman]

133. Yep let's have all babies come from a handfull of men

That genetic diversity works out so well in the past....

[HappyMe]

156. What about the women?

Shouldn't those with undesirable traits be screen out, and dumped on the island of misfit toys with the men?

[arcane1]

211. And dozens of those kids were male.

What a ridiculous thread

[Hell Hath No Fury]

54. I hate it when my cat -

drops a huge stinking turd and then runs.

[pinboy3niner]

59. S/he's baaaaack

Doubling down on the homophobia and the rest of the BS.

[ileus]

57. So you're saying not being straight is a choice...

Interesting.

[LuvNewcastle]

60. Women are only with men for money and protection, don't you know?

It's not because they actually love the men they're with.

[Emelina]

69. Yet if you open up more options...

Will life still be the same? What about group marriage? Ever look into the works of Dr. Christopher Ryan?

[fitman]

134. Group marriage will never be popular..just a fringe group

One reason only ..jealousy.....

My wife would rip the eyeballs out of any woman who tried to make advances on me..

[Niceguy1]

92. cars and money

As the song goes lol

[randome]

61. Damn, Emelina! I think you're getting unfairly excoriated here.

There was a popular comic book series that touched on this same question: Y-The Last Man.

Obviously for reproductive purposes, men are no longer necessary. What's the harm in pondering the implications of that?
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So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[LuvNewcastle]

63. After all, men are only good for making babies.

If you're not involved in baby-making, you're superfluous. There's no reason for anyone to exist unless they're needed for procreation.

[randome]

66. I don't think anyone is saying that except to dip into reducto ad absurdum.

It's a question that leads to many others. Would the world be better off without the overwhelmingly male violence that is part of it?

And I believe it's inevitable we will see many different forms of marriage, including more common group marriages. Not everyone wants a piece of paper to validate their relationships.

We may reach a point where each individual can identify three people -one primary and two backups- as recipients of an inheritance and that's the end of it.

As for reproduction, we're getting closer to eliminating the 'sperm gap' in the laboratory.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
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[LuvNewcastle]

74. Are you necessary? I mean, if you're going to discuss whether other people

are needed, you should first ask yourself how necessary you are. Is there anything you give to the world that no one else can? Do you have some traits that wouldn't be good to pass along to descendants? Are there any ways in which the world would be better off without you?

None of us are really necessary. The world would go on without all of us. Earth could rid itself of any one species or any number of species and wouldn't bat an eye. None of us are needed; we just are. We're all equal in our needlessness. That's why it's completely absurd to call one person or group of people unnecessary. You have no right.

[randome]

80. Of course I'm not 'necessary'.

I'm fortunate there are enough women in the world who value men while I'm alive but when I'm dead, it's not like I will be around to lament the fact.

I don't think anyone is saying a thing about men who exist here and now. It's a future-oriented subject that deserves no more than a hearty 'Meh' if someone isn't interested in it.

And like I said, it poses other questions in its wake.

Cro-magnon wasn't 'necessary', either. The species was allowed to die out and we seem okay for it.
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[pinboy3niner]

81. Leave it to you to speak up for the Cro-magnons, lol

But seriously, I *think* we agree here. I don't think you're defending the OP vid or its premise, are you?

[randome]

83. The video sounded like a time-sharing sales job. I didn't listen to much of it.

But the question on its own is worth pondering. I still think the primary advantage to the species would be the elimination of so much violence in the world.

We don't understand life itself. Maybe the human species is fated to go on for millions of years and this gender divergence of Nature is but a small blip in our history. It's more likely there will be a genetic 'merging' of genders, I think. Not quite the way John Varley envisions such things but maybe something similar.
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[pinboy3niner]

91. Worth pondering?

The premise is ridiculous on its face. My crystal ball may be limited in how far it sees into the future, but it's not seeing men as "unnecessary" anytime soon (or indeed, for a long, lomg while). The homophobic component of the OP also is disgusting.

[randome]

110. Not trying to pick an argument but I don't see the homophobic bit.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers. It's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

[pinboy3niner]

115. No, you and I aren't arguing here

But the OP posits that one reason men are "unnecessary" is that...

2) Alternative lifestyles (gay, polyandry, etc.) becoming more acceptable.

[randome]

120. I think there is a subtle truth to that, though.

Although it applies to men as well as to women so I don't take it as far as the OP does. With gay lifestyles being more acceptable, both genders will be more likely to 'indulge' but I don't see it as having much of an effect overall.

It used to be 'fashionable' in college to 'experiment'. I don't know what the environment is like today but I suspect that's still the norm.
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[sabrina 1]

166. The homophobic tenor of the OP is pretty glaring.

This is the kind of question that generally comes from Far Right Fundies. Not the first time it's been 'asked'.

Sometimes it's more direct, suggesting that all these 'liberal' ideas, Gay Marriage, Sperm Banks etc are going to eliminate men from the planet.

This is a slightly more clever version of the 'the question'. But not clever enough to fool Liberals who've been around for even a relatively short amount time.

[randome]

183. Oh, sabrina1...

...I've been around.

You're right, the texture of the question may harken back to right-wing angst but it's a legitimate question on its own merit. Certainly enough to inspire many sci-fi themes.
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[treestar]

135. If they merged the resulting beings

might then be moderate in the characteristics, so the violence would go down but not down to female levels of non-violence, could we say.

It would be convenient for all to be equal in carrying/feeding the young yet all be equal in providing for them, so these beings would all have smallish breasts, some type of uterus (or kangaroo pouch) and yet be able to hunt (though that would clearly be all mental activity at that point, and is already happening to a good extent).

[Emelina]

68. Thank you and here is an article from the Atlantic that points the same direction.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/11/all-the-single-ladies/308654/

[Laelth]

75. Interesting article. Thanks for the link. n/t

-Laelth

[BainsBane]

102. What happens with the little male babies born?

Eugenics in any form is offensive, particularly when directed at half of the human race.

[randome]

197. Like pit bulls.

(THIS IS NOT A HIJACK! REPEAT: THIS IS NOT A HIJACK!)

Let the species die out gradually -or in this case, the gender. There will be no ghostly pit bull or male spirit to regret what came before.

No one is talking about 'doing away' with men in the here and now. The video is mind-numbingly boring but the question is an interesting one, IMO, if you think long-term and about evolutionary trends.
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[titaniumsalute]

70. I cant believe I wasted 3 minutes reading this post and thread N/T

[LiberalLoner]

71. This is ridiculous, remove this post please, it doesn't belong on DU. You know,

I'm a feminist and I believe this world absolutely needs men. I don't believe any one gender is better than another. We all need each other and we better learn to be nice to one another or the human race is in big trouble.

I beg you, please self delete this post.

[pinboy3niner]

95. +1

[JoePhilly]

76. They'll put us on sprem farms, and keep us as pets or to carry heavy stuff and kill spiders.

Other than that, no, women don't need men anymore.

[maddezmom]

86. You forgot taking out the garbage

[randome]

119. I wouldn't mind working on a farm.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers. It's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

[Dr. Strange]

152. What an interesting farm that would be.

[msanthrope]

163. I was searching for that same clip....nt

[msanthrope]

161. What the hell is "sprem?" Is that where SPAM comes from? nt

[JoePhilly]

182. Men can't even spell

[randome]

193. Off with their heads!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[msanthrope]

220. Can't count, either, past 11. 21 with their shoes off. nt

[reflection]

77. .

[xoom]

78. Here is the real question..

Would women want a world filled with women?

Could they handle all the drama??

[LWolf]

88. Nope.

My world is filled with males, and I love it that way.

[Nye Bevan]

89. Anyone who has experienced a workplace department dominated by women

will be able to answer that question very easily.

[BainsBane]

100. That's offensive

Yes, I understand that the question in the OP is offensive, but invoking those kind of stereotypes hardly helps the situation. One thing women can handle very well is the absence of bullshit like that.

[boston bean]

79. The NYT wrote about this as well...

Seemed to be an ok topic choice for them:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/25/opinion/men-who-needs-them.html?_r=0

garnered 314 responses....

It's a bit of foolishness, but I don't find your OP to be off limits...

[Emelina]

225. Yes, NYT article says the same thing.

I never said I wanted to round up men and put them in some sort of right-wingers notion of a FEMA camp. I did say that the video makes observations worth noting.

Ever hear the Tom Leykis Show? He encourages men to sleep with women but not marry them. A lot of men have this mindset nowadays. So this, coupled with many men not feeling they have jobs that provide stability will not be in the marriage market. That will encourage women to seek alternatives -- that is what I said. So alternative lifestyles will become far more common...am I wrong?

[maddezmom]

85. Idiotic post

And I get the feeling you like the premise.

[Nye Bevan]

87. There will always be spiders in bathtubs. Circuit-breakers tripping. Toilets to be plunged.

So, yes.

[redwitch]

90. I'm going back to sleep.

And hoping this is gone when I wake up. I have sons and am deeply offended by this post on their behalf. Sexist crap.

[gulliver]

93. Vote out all Republicans

No Republicans in any office. They have lost their marbles. Have mercy on them. They don't need power. They need a good solid political punch in the face. It's tough love.

[LWolf]

94. Who is going to donate to the sperm banks?

Or will we be manufacturing synthetic sperm, x only?

Sorry, I can't watch the video. Ten seconds of that voice and I was done.

We need to balance our male-dominated world, not create more imbalance. Letting go of cultural bias towards traditional male-domination is good; recognizing and accepting multiple ways of being family is good.

That doesn't make males unnecessary.

I'd be happy to have some economic power; at least, as much as men, but I don't see that happening.

Meanwhile, the best people, the most loving and giving people, in my life are my 2 adult sons and my grandson.

I think I'll keep them.

[Javaman]

96. Have you been reading Y: the last man? nt

[Buns_of_Fire]

97. "I am the queen bee. You are the worker bee. Your job is to feed me, do me, and die."

-- Joy Darville-Hickey-Turner, philosopher extraordinaire.

[treestar]

98. The sperm in the bank has to come from someone male

So there's really no way to get rid of them.

[randome]

108. Scientists Create Lab-Grown Sperm

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/scientists-create-lab-grown-sperm-breakthrough-infertile-men-biological-children-article-1.1000437

The delivery system isn't as much fun but it is possible.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers. It's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

[treestar]

113. Still looks to be that man's biological child

Male DNA required from some point.

I'm a feminist but not ready to get rid of them all yet!

[randome]

118. Neither am I but I think it's an interesting question.

Pondered in Y-The Last Man comic book series as well as by John Varley's novels (although they are to some extent salacious pandering to men's fantasies about lesbianism).
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers. It's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

[BainsBane]

99. Yes, males are necessary

What would be done with the male babies born? I cannot believe people would seriously ask such a question.

[randome]

106. It's easy enough to ensure only females are born.

I'm not saying that's desirable at this stage of our evolution, only pointing out that gender selection is certainly possible.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers. It's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

[treestar]

131. In the techno-universe envisioned, it would be

though the Y chromosome still would be out there somehow - sort of like a strain of smallpox kept for research!

[randome]

132. Grow your own forbidden men and sell them on the black market!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers. It's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

[Warren DeMontague]

175. Man, and I thought a pot grow operation would be hard to hide!

The smell alone would be 100X worse.

[randome]

194. That evokes some disturbing imagery right there.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[Warren DeMontague]

195. I'm on a fucking Farmer Vincent ROLL, I am.

Somebody Stop Me!

[randome]

198. Goddamn you!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[snooper2]

143. Baby Back Ribs

[demmiblue]

101. *trashing trolling thread*

[meti57b]

103. I don't know if men will be "necessary", but I sure do like them a lot and enjoy having them around!

[MineralMan]

104. Ah, well, I think I'll take a pass on this thread.

[Lint Head]

105. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!

Laughable. It's as speculative as Ancient Aliens giving us all of our modern inventions.

[Zorra]

109. Paging MIRT. Come in, MIRT. Do you copy? nt

[Union Scribe]

178. I just hope their PPR message

is along the lines of "wasn't really all that necessary to DU"

[Marrah_G]

112. Wow- you should really delete this

So wrong.

Men are not just sperm carriers............

[TeeYiYi]

116. Seriously?...

What about all the people who enjoy having sex with men? Lots of those people don't give a shit about having kids. You do enjoy sex, don't you? If you don't care about sex with men, I'm willing to bet you know someone who does.




Oh, and, you refer to "alternative lifestyles" as though they're a choice. They're not.

TYY

[Sissyk]

123. That's HOT! n/t

[Skittles]

227. hey where can I get one of those?

yes INDEED

[Niceguy1]

121. wow, it just occured to me that the op

Is female.

Maybe she just hasn't met mr right yet.

[Sissyk]

122. I can't say what I think. It will get deleted for calling you names.

I love men. I think I'll keep all of them that are in my life.

Number 2 gives you away. Lifestyle? Really?

[Erose999]

125. From a natural selection/evolution standpoint, I would say so. Natural conception would have

inherent advantages in the variability of genetic material when it comes to things like immunities, etc.

I do think we'll see a shift in marriage/family norms, but as far as childbirth and the continuation of the species goes, I don't think you can replace men.

At least I hope not, considering I am one, lol.

[arcane1]

214. Plus, it will always be cheaper (and easier!(and more fun!)) to reproduce the old-fashioned way.

Those sperm banks won't fill themselves!

[MineralMan]

126. Sounds like the science fiction dystopian fantasy,

The Shore of Women by Pamela Sargent, 1986.

It's out of print, but used copies are available. Read it for some insights into the world you envision. There are other books like it, as well. It doesn't work out all that well.

[Dash87]

127. Are you necessary? Am I? That sounds like a rather spurious question.

"Being necessary" is an interesting concept - are humans actually "necessary?" Wouldn't the world be better off without us?

Would a world of all women actually do anything different? Would there be any more use of it than the world we have now? I don't see how. Are men somehow necessary at this moment? For what, reproduction? That's all?

And what if men fabricated eggs? Would women cease to be necessary? Would there be a point to making them "unnecessary?"

Or maybe, just maybe, all human life matters and the concept of being "necessary" is spurious.

[fitman]

128. My wife makes more than me and is way smarter

but every day she tells me how lucky she is too have me (and vica versa)..I romance her with 24/7 emotional foreplay, don't run around on her and have no vices, tell her every day verbally or with little notes how much she means to me..we are best friends, do everything together...keep myself very fit and well groomed etc.


I don't feel threatened in the least..

[stevenleser]

140. Sounds like your Tired... tired of men... tired of...

[polly7]

145. LOL! Great to see this again! nt.

[stevenleser]

148. Madeline Kahn was a national treasure! nt

[bettyellen]

216. ha ha, LOVE Madeline Kahn. Thanks.

[SomethingFishy]

141. Nope. So go ahead and get along without us.

We are useless. I'm sure you and the Real Ex-Housewives will have a wonderful time talking about Miley Cyrus among yourselves...

[Iggo]

144. Trashing idiotic thread.

[rrneck]

146. Two million years of evolution would argue otherwise. nt

[stevenleser]

147. I think you have disrupted, poorly. nt

[HappyMe]

149. I just love ridiculous, funny stuff with my coffee in the a.m.

Of course men are necessary.

Life would be boring and horrible without them.

[muriel_volestrangler]

150. What's your basis for "Women's economic power is exceeding men"?

This directly contradicts the normal statistics - that women have less economic power than men. And that was backed up with data.

What are your data?

[fitman]

151. The latest data is women are becoming the breadwinners in the family

earning more than men I believe it is over 40% now of married households.. women have more college degrees then men.....and women are enrolled in colleges more then men..

http://www.forbes.com/sites/laurashin/2013/05/29/moms-now-top-breadwinners-in-a-record-4-in-10-homes/

[muriel_volestrangler]

153. Link for earning more?

[fitman]

154. Just added a link

http://www.forbes.com/sites/laurashin/2013/05/29/moms-now-top-breadwinners-in-a-record-4-in-10-homes/

[muriel_volestrangler]

155. OK; 40% is not 'most'

So all that shows is that things are evening up a bit. And it says that's it's 15% of households with children that have a women earning more than her partner, and 25% single women. If the number with single men as the parent is, say, 10% (generous, I'd say), then 50% have a man earning more than his partner - more than 3 times.

Here's some figures for median earnings by age group and sex:

16 to 19 years Men: 373 Women: 326
20 to 24 years Men: 492 Women: 440
25 to 34 years Men: 731 Women: 670
35 to 44 years Men: 956 Women: 760
45 to 54 years Men: 1,007 Women: 767
55 to 64 years Men: 1,023 Women: 789

So, in no age group have women's median earnings exceeded 92% of men's.

[BainsBane]

158. This is angst that women have access to any economic resources

So they interpret a lesser income as being "greater" and hence too much.

[fitman]

165. I have never met a single guy who

said .."boy I wish my wife made less"..or "my wife does not deserve what she makes"

or a dad who wished his daughter was not successful in the workplace..

Who are these men you speak of?? Again I personally don't know any but I know there are some women hating men out there..I'm not that dumb.

[BainsBane]

169. There are men who complain that women have encroached on men's earning power

and you have just claimed that 40% of women earning more than their husbands is most. That is a clear mathematical absurdity. I'm assuming you can count, so you must have some other reason for concluding that less equals more.

[fitman]

172. Where did I use the word most?

And yes I know there are men out there who blame their job less/less pay on women..but I am not one of them.

I have no problem with strong, independent successful women..I married one.

[fitman]

173. I was replying to this comment:

What's your basis for "Women's economic power is exceeding men"?


I was making a factual statement that many women are now earning more then men and the trend is increasingly going that way for even greater numbers in the future..

[BainsBane]

181. Oh, so you didn't actually mean women as a group earn more

but that some women on earth earn more than some men.

[davidn3600]

184. I think people are referring to the trend

Women make up 60% of college students today. And people with a college degree tend to earn more money over their lifetime. So the assumption is that in the future, most women will be earning more money than most men.

I think you should, for now, take older rich men out of the equation. Because these guys came from a different generation where women didnt have as much access to education and high salary career paths. The younger women today are set to make more money any any generation of women before them. Only time will tell if they catch up or surpass men.

Yes it is true that men make up the vast majority of CEOs and board members and the majority of politicians. There are reasons that is still the case today, but that goes into deeper social issues that go beyond the topic. But the fact that the vast majority of US House races in 2012 were male vs. male....men are guaranteed to have a huge majority in congress before a single vote is even cast. So you got an issue where women are not very motivated to get into politics and run for office the way men are.

[bettyellen]

191. I love how you think the gender of the vast majority of CEOs, board members and politicians doesn't

matter. Is that also because women aren't "motivated"? Because those are odd assumptions - of course it matters that men run the joint- that's why we're still not getting paid equally, or promoted fairly.

[davidn3600]

203. You are mixing generations

Like I said...most of the people high up in business and politics right now are from generations where women didnt usually pursue higher education nor high salary career tracks, unless they were part of upper class and such. So yes, some discrimination does likely exist, but you also have far more male candidates for higher jobs than female candidates. Once these people move on and get replaced by the next generation, that's when you have to re-evaluate the numbers because more women this time will be viable candidates for these higher positions.

It takes time for society to change.

[bettyellen]

206. No, there are plenty of suitable female candidates out there, but there's still a hard glass ceiling

you see a few because they want to avoid lawsuits, but discrimination against women is still widespread in a lot of industries. What you are saying doesn't mesh with studies that have been done. And I am sure you don't mean to but your providing excuses for discrimination.

[Gravitycollapse]

207. Discrimination is so diffuse that it's almost impossible to identify...

Because it doesn't even gain an identity until it has been perpetuated dozens or hundres of times and, by then, who do we hold responsible? Is there any single person responsible?

Consider that a single act of discrimination is like a mechanical watch. And each piece is laid in place by a different person at a given time. We could consider the body of individuals responsible for the discrimination as discriminators. But they are individually not single great perpetuators. And that is why it is so difficult to see and prevent misogyny.

We must also consider the fact that in ubiquity comes secrecy. In other words, discrimination is so omnipresent that nobody even notices that it exists. It's so fundamental to our way of life that it need not be identified in order for it to continue to exist.

[Gravitycollapse]

208. False. There is no trend that women are being paid more than men.

[fitman]

209. I posted a link

showing that in 40% of households the woman is now the breadwinner and that figure is growing each year..it was at 15% not that long ago.

Here is another showing women in their 20's are now earning 3.6% more than men in the same age bracket.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/nov/27/young-women-earning-more-men

I work for a insurance co.. 30 years ago out of 20 people in my division office 15-18 were men..
Now it's 15-18 women and all the top positions are filled by women except 1..

I have no problem with this as it doe snot affect me..I am my own boss.

My wife is a veterinarian..in her 1987 class 40-50% of the class was women..the graduating class last year was 89%

[Gravitycollapse]

212. So you link to a page showing that women overall still make 9% less. And that proves what?

Only about 3% of Fortune 500 CEOs are women. I believe only about 13% (last I checked) of all executives at these companies are women.

[fitman]

213. You are not getting it..

The income wage gap is getting smaller each year and more women are becoming owners of co's and in higher CEO positions..

Isn't that a good thing?

BTW..I am more glad women are starting up and running their own co's than at some Fortune 500 co where they can be booted out..

I call on businesses every day.. probably 40-50 are run or owned by women..that was unheard of 30 years ago when I got into the business.

My brothers wife is a Physical therapist..she just started her 4th office and has 12 docs working for her and 20+ employees..good for her.

[bettyellen]

215. Isn't it amazing, men do 33% better better and they think that stat means women are beating them....

kind of amazing how they can ignore that.

[BainsBane]

157. which shows men earn more

Amazing that 60% of women earn less than men and you say "women are becoming the breadwinners."

[fitman]

159. Better than what it was...Yes more women are increasingly becoming the breadwinners

that is the trend..nothing I said is untrue...and more women are earning more than men every year....it is not going the other way..

My wife makes more than I do...

[FarCenter]

160. No - Artificial parthenogenisis can be used to reproduce females.

On August 2, 2007, after much independent investigation, it was revealed that discredited South Korean scientist Hwang Woo-Suk unknowingly produced the first human embryos resulting from parthenogenesis. Initially, Hwang claimed he and his team had extracted stem cells from cloned human embryos, a result later found to be fabricated. Further examination of the chromosomes of these cells show indicators of parthenogenesis in those extracted stem cells, similar to those found in the mice created by Tokyo scientists in 2004. Although Hwang deceived the world about being the first to create artificially cloned human embryos, he did contribute a major breakthrough to stem cell research by creating human embryos using parthenogenesis.[70] The truth was discovered in 2007, long after the embryos were created by him and his team in February 2004. This made Hwang the first, unknowingly, to successfully perform the process of parthenogenesis to create a human embryon and, ultimately, a human parthenogenetic stem cell line.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenogenesis

[LittleBlue]

162. I never believed that women and men paired up merely to

exchange bodily fluids. Maybe that is our evolutionary purpose, but I think we've grown so accustomed to living together that even losing its original purpose wouldn't end it.

Look at the number of older divorcees who seek relationships. Childbearing is irrelevant for them. Marriage is a different issue, which won't affect whether men or women pair up, just their official status. It's mainly about having a close friend and sexual intimacy, which cannot be achieved for a heterosexual without the opposite sex. Homosexuality is present in too small a percentage of the population.

[tillikum]

176. IMO those are hormonal vestiges of a biological reward circuit.

"Look at the number of older divorcees who seek relationships. Childbearing is irrelevant for them. Marriage is a different issue, which won't affect whether men or women pair up, just their official status. It's mainly about having a close friend and sexual intimacy, which cannot be achieved for a heterosexual without the opposite sex. Homosexuality is present in too small a percentage of the population."

we can't hide from nature. not for long. but at the same time a naturalistic fallacy is just as damaging and unuseful for a modern pre-mean reversion human. a curious conundrum to be sure.

[sibelian]

168. Goodness. I certainly hope so. No men, no drag queens.

Imagine a world without drag queens...

[budkin]

170. WTF is this bullshit?

Are women really necessary?

1. Artificially created humans.

Stupid.

[ZombieHorde]

179. Men are not necessary now.

Neither are women. All of existence is unnecessary, so I think the question is a bit silly.

[nomorenomore08]

186. +1

As usual, you cut through all the bullshit...

[liberal_at_heart]

185. trashing thread.

[Whisp]

187. This is a really bad OP.

Men are my friends and relatives and co-workers and I meet them Everywhere! At the grocery store, when I go for a walk...

Yes, they are necessary.

But your flamish OP is not necessary.

[Warren DeMontague]

223. You're just not looking at it the right way.

Comedy Gold.

[Walter-White]

189. With out Men the balance of the world would be lost.

Without Men possesses a critical danger to our species. What if technology fails to keep the population sustainable? The Human Race would be an Endangered Species.

[randome]

192. What if men end up destroying the planet?

That's been a danger for quite some time now.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[99Forever]

190. Alway nice to hear from the manhaters.

And these same types have the audacity to call others "sexists."

What a butt ugly post.

[Warren DeMontague]

196. What have you got against

Manhattan?

[kentuck]

199. And all male children will be killed?

How else will civilization continue?

Or maybe just keep a few male slaves around for pro-creation purposes?

Have you thought this through??

[Deep13]

205. maybe some kind of genetic selection for sex. nt

[struggle4progress]

200. And while we're asking questions: Is the future really all that necessary? I mean, think about it:

what has the future done for you lately -- or ever, even? As far as I can tell, the future is just a big waste of time! Maybe what we should do is just forget about the future and bring all that time here, into the present, where we can actually use it

[randome]

201. Then maybe we need this guy.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[Deep13]

204. Sometimes I wonder if I've ever been especially useful.

[fascisthunter]

210. extremely sexist to a degree this site nor any should tolerate

just reverse the sexes and tell me if this sort of sexism would be acceptable.

[Gravitycollapse]

217. You can never reverse the role of oppressor and oppressed and call it the same.

Just consider that for a moment. Not that I endorse anything said in the OP. But what you've said is patently ridiculous.

[Deep13]

218. Men are not victims of systematic sexism. nt

[Fantastic Anarchist]

219. I think you're gender-baiting.

[Vashta Nerada]

221. This isn't even worthy of discussion.

[Proles]

222. As it stands, many infrastructure jobs are held by men,

and while that could theoretically equalize in the future, certain jobs are simply more attractive to men, and others are more attractive to women. Everyone has a role to play in society, even if stable relationships were to hypothetically become irrelevant.

Going without one gender or the other would lead to societal chaos. That should be common sense.

[Whisp]

224. I know for certain this one is:

[dorkzilla]

226. ...but they're so yummy! They're neccessary for me!

They smell so gooooooood....and those things they have that I don't. Mmmmmmmmmmm.

Er, um, sorry about that, I was just a million miles away.