I Am Beginning To Think We Are Already In A State Of Anarchy.

[TheMastersNemesis]

I wonder if democracy is over already. Most Americans seem to be really oblivious of what is happening. As long as they are not personally effected "no problemo". We have a Titanic scenario, most passengers did not think anything was drastically wrong because they saw no water. That was until they were sunk.

I know a lot of GOP voters who fully support the shutdown and default because it will control spending. And many of them are in situations that depend on government services or are on Social Security and Medicare. I have never seen such a level of raging hatred in this country that is causing derangement and dementia.

Colorado is a good example of anarchy. We are not facing a third recall because the other side will not accept the election and Dem majority. And it is no about just guns. The maniacal gun nuts are practically accusing our Senator of criminal activity because she voted for gun safety that a large majority of the state supported. Only 15% of the voters or less voted for recall. And this will get really nasty.

They want to control the Senate so NO legislation can pass in Colorado until 2016. They will fight any funding for the victims of the floods and they will fight to take health care away from uninsured Coloradans. I am surprised they are not walking around with their loaded guns getting signatures.

They do not care about the people who were killed in our massacres and essentially encouraging more. They want 100 round magazines and open carry of any weapon of your choice. The are thirsty for the rule of the gun and not the law.

Addendum - The gun nuts here are frothing at the mouth. They remind me of the kamakaze's who will take down everything rather than allow any other view. They are just about stalking anyone who disagrees with them.

[texanwitch]

1. That was the whole point.

At least I can say I have never voted republican in my life.

[hamsterjill]

20. I share that honor with you.

Never voted for a Repuke in my life! And damn proud of it!

[gordianot]

2. This time the Constitution is being thrown out the window.

No one knows what will replace the Constitution, that qualifies for anarchy.

[dgibby]

8. Probably something

like the Articles of Confederation, with a lot of religious dogma and states rights thrown into the mix.

[zazen]

3. the Christian Dominionists want a collapse as part of the Second Coming

Hell, this is better to them than the global warming they half believe in (to the degree it brings about Jesus's return, rapture, etc.).

I'm kinda slow. It finally dawned on me a few days ago--holy crap. We have an attempted coup by a small group of Christofascists in our government. I would have thought the billionaires backing them would have been able to rein them in, but maybe the billionaires only care about their relative wealth, and if they plunge the rest of us into penury while holding onto half of their "wealth," they'll still have more power in the long run, since we'll be too underfed and sick to do much about it.

[texanwitch]

5. A government take over was tried back in the 30's against the president then.

It was by a group of rich assholes.

Bush's grandfather was one of them.

[awoke_in_2003]

17. And no Smedley Butlers around (yet). nt

[texanwitch]

18. We can have hope.

But we have tv and the internet now.

Just think of the difference in history if Smedley Butlers went the other way.

[dgibby]

7. The father of the Koch brothers

was a member of the John Birch Society. "Wrapped in the Flag" by Claire Conner gives an insider's perspective on this group, and "Crazy For God" by Francis (Frank) Schaeffer, gives an insider's perspective on the radical religious right and fundies.

I know Conner has a FB page, Wrapped in the Flag, and I think Schaeffer does, too.

[bigtree]

4. watch how many facets of this republican tactic and maneuvering become accepted

. . . as a normal and accepted part of the legislative process - even if it ultimately fails.

That's why this needs to be so aggressively and completely resisted and rolled back.

(rec'd without any regret at all about being accused of engaging in 'hyperbole')

[kydo]

6. That was the plan, didn't you read the shock doctrine?

Make them think the government is broke, then comes chaos and anarchy.

But seriously the tension is very thick. And we are a divided nation. Frankly I am surprised there hasn't been more fighting, like road rage, people getting sick and tired of the other side and taking it out on the next closest thing. Fear and anxiety do tend to do that sometimes.

[snappyturtle]

9. I've been wondering about this for a while now. Last week when the

shooting was reported in Washington, D.C., my first thought was
there had been an attempt on the President's life. I fear for him
with all the hatred.

[kelly1mm]

10. Are recalls as a tactic a good or bad thing? The WI recalls from a while back were (generally)

supported on DU. Was that a mistake?

[TheMastersNemesis]

13. There Is A Right To Recall.

Yes the gun nuts want to recall our senator. Our senator did not vote to take their guns and has been an effective and honest legislator. Walker was not just attacking government workers. He is a bought off corrupt politician who has sold off interests in the state to the rich. He has also taken away people's right to free speech and people are arrested for engaging in their first amendment rights.

Our senator has done nothing outrageous like a Walker. And a large majority of voters support what Colorado has done on gun safety. We have had two hideous massacres here that background checks had a chancd to prevent. One of the Columbine shooters even tried to buy an M-60 machine gun. Luckily the gun shop would not sell it to him. If these gun nuts get what they want he could buy such a weapon with the laws they want which are "no laws". They really want open carry any where you want.

[kelly1mm]

14. My question was not about justifications for or against a particular recall target but rather a

question about if the recall process itself is a good or bad thing. If recall is an option, we cannot practically put limitations on who gets a recall petition started against them, and if the legal process is followed, having a recall election. Your argument above would be a good one to use in supporting an officeholder and asking people to vote that s/he be retained. My question is really 'politics' neutral. Do you think recall should be allowed?

[Egalitarian Thug]

11. Not an anarchy, a Kleptocracy. n/t

[libdem4life]

16. Almost the opposite of anarchy...hands in everyone's unsuspecting pockets...kleptomaniacs

to be sure.

[Luminous Animal]

21. Thank you. So few have a clue what anarchy is...

They think it's idiots breaking things. This is reactionary disaster capitalism... The looting of the commons.

[TBF]

12. I think we are in a benevolent form of fascism -

I'd call it Corporatism.

[tillikum]

15. absolutely.

it's an interesting time to be alive.

[dixiegrrrrl]

19. Unless you define your terms, it is a pointless question.

Which definition of democracy are you talking about?

1
a : government by the people; especially rule of the majority?
or
b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections?
or
2: a political unit that has a democratic government?
or
3:capitalized : the principles and policies of the Democratic party in the United States <from emancipation Republicanism to New Deal Democracy — C. M. Roberts
or

4: the common people especially when constituting the source of political authority?
or
5: the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges ?

and then, gotta define anarchy:

1
a : absence of government?
or
b : a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority?
or
c : a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government?
or
2
a : absence or denial of any authority or established order?
b : absence of order : disorder <not manicured plots but a wild anarchy of nature — ?

This definition seems to be closest to how I define anarchy:
a situation of confusion and wild behavior in which the people in a country, group, organization, etc., are not controlled by rules or laws.

Definitions from
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/democracy
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anarchy



Anarchy: from Miriam and Webster online:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anarchy