This makes me physically ill: Michelle Duggar 'trying' to get pregnant with 20th child

[joeybee12]

After suffering a devastating miscarriage in December 2011, Michelle Duggar is trying to get pregnant again with her 20th child. The "19 Kids and Counting" reality TV mom says she and husband Jim Bob Duggar are hoping to be "blessed" with another pregnancy.

"I would hope, but we are not expecting right now," Michelle, 47, shares in a new interview with Celebrity Baby Scoop. "I would be so grateful if the Lord blessed us with another one. We're trying at this point and we shall see if that is a possibility. If not, we are so thankful and grateful for the ones that God has given us so far. We are also definitely enjoying our grandbabies! They are so precious!"

Michelle and Jim Bob, 48, are already parents to 19 children with names all starting with "J," and have three grandchildren: Their oldest son Josh, 25, is a father of three with wife Anna: Mackynzie, 4, Michael, 2, and Marcus, 4 months.

In an interview with the TODAY show in April, Michelle and Jim Bob, married 29 years, said they have considered adopting their 20th child. "We're praying about if the Lord would want us to adopt," Michelle said. Jim Bob added, "We have set up our home to be designed for taking care of children. We love children, and we really believe every child is a special gift from God."

http://www.today.com/entertainment/michelle-duggar-trying-get-pregnant-20th-child-8C11363494

[Arkana]

1. I just threw up in my mouth a little.

47 years old and still trying to have kids? That's not just weird, it's dangerous and irresponsible. The kid could be born with severe birth defects.

[JI7]

3. the youngest girl already had problems since she was born early

you would think they would take that plus the miscarraige as a sign that it's probably not something the "lord" wants for them.

[VanillaRhapsody]

94. Because Mrs. Duggar has no purpose otherwise...

she is a baby machine and that is all.

[mimi85]

159. That's a bit too

black and white for me. Who knows what her purpose is? That's an age old discussion that certainly won't be answered any day soon.

[VanillaRhapsody]

162. She has had 19 other children purposely!

ARE you kidding me....IT IS black and white! She is one of the "Full-Quiver" crowd...if you don't know what that is...I suggest you look it up.

I come from a Grandmother who had 16 children....that's not something someone playing with a full deck does on purpose!

If it quacks like a duck

[mimi85]

168. I think it's ridiculous also

but according to the constitution she has that right. Do you think we should have an amendment saying you can only have a certain amount of kids? That's what China does. And I know which country I would rather live in. We had one child which we felt was plenty, fortunately we agreed on that. Other people disagree. So be it.

[VanillaRhapsody]

220. Who is stopping her? But we have the right to show our scorn...BECAUSE

this isn't just about HER rights to be a brood mare. There are little children involved...and her reason for even having them is a f'd up mess.

I can tell YOU this...the stories my grandmother told of the perils of having so many children. Believe me her message was not how much a total blessing all those kids were....she just had no choice. She would be the first one to call that lady a moron!


You do realize that the older children are FORCED to take care of their younger siblings....they are burdened with the care of all those children.

[cyberswede]

227. ...in addition to being a human being, you mean.

What "purpose" do you have? Or me? Or anyone?

Further, isn't her spouse involved in this activity? Why does she receive all the scorn when he's equally involved?

[VanillaRhapsody]

229. It's not my opinion....its hers of herself!

[HappyMe]

5. Halle Berry is 47

and she just had a baby boy.

[JI7]

9. she only had 1 kid before

[HappyMe]

13. So what?

So other poster was commenting on how irresponsible it is to have a child at 47.

Both Halle Berry and Mrs Dugger both have the right to do whatever the hell they want reproductively.

[Arugula Latte]

19. Of course they have the right.

And people here have the right to say that the Duggars are creepy.

[ogradda]

244. Lol

Yeah I'd say creepy's a good word.

[JI7]

24. no, his comment was more about how many kids they have had

[VanillaRhapsody]

97. I am sure Halle Berry used the latest technology...maybe even someone else's eggs.

Fertility treatments no doubt....

Mrs Duggar's eggs are about used up and she doesn't believe in using modern medical technology...she is not having babies because she needs more...it's because she has no self worth otherwise.

[Ranchemp.]

101. And you know this for sure?

Mrs Duggar's eggs are about used up and she doesn't believe in using modern medical technology...she is not having babies because she needs more...it's because she has no self worth otherwise.

You're stating this as a fact when in reality, it's just your opinion, you really have no idea why she's chosen to have that many children.

[VanillaRhapsody]

109. You are born with a limited number of eggs...

at menopause...eggs are done.

I come from a Grandmother that raised 16 children (she was a grandmother at the age of 26)...so I know more than you think I know.

[deurbano]

104. Unless Halle Berry's pregnancy is from her own previously frozen egg

(or embryo), I think you are right that she would be using a donor egg. (Not that it's any of my business how she adds to her family, but these kind of pregnancies end up giving the false impression that getting pregnant at 47 with one's own eggs is a realistic goal.)

[LisaL]

117. That's bogus.

It's hard to get pregnant at this age, but it doesn't mean no woman can get pregnant at this age without fertility treatments.

[deurbano]

131. I didn't say NO woman can get pregnant at 47 without fertility treatment. I said it's not a

realistic goal. Since it's extremely unlikely, a woman hoping to one day get pregnant shouldn't wait until 47. (Unless using donor eggs.) Many people read about these celebrity pregnancies without knowing the back story...and assume that it is possible to wait that long, when (realistically speaking) it isn't.

[LisaL]

137. Maybe Halle Berry is one of those unlikely women.

[deurbano]

199. Maybe, but whenever there is a story about a celebrity being pregnant at an advanced maternal age

(pregnancy-wise), I just like to add a little reality to the discussion, on the off-chance I can save someone stress and/or disappointment later on.

I got knocked up quite easily (too easily!) as an 18-year-old, and I gave birth a week before my 19th birthday. Since my daughter was (and is) severely disabled, I spent the next 20 years trying to get her the services and support she needed, getting us both involved in the disability rights movement, fighting for access and inclusion (etc., etc.)… and, of course, lots of stuff not related to her disability at all. I started out as a single mom, but even after my (now) husband and I got together, we didn’t get married (for 14 years) because that would have negatively affected the benefits my daughter needed. (I had to be poor… which meant no health insurance for me, but married friends with severely disabled children advised me this was the best approach, based on their experiences.)

I spent those years assuming I would have more children… eventually. I didn’t consider my declining fertility at all. I mean, I was used to putting my energy into NOT getting pregnant, and my previous experience had been that I would get pregnant almost immediately upon having unprotected sex!

So, when my daughter turned 21 (there were still some benefits in CA tied to parental income up to that age)--and I simultaneously turned 40-- I got married and started thinking about having another child… but I had no sense of urgency. There were celebrities (like Roseanne) having babies in their forties, and much of the reporting made this seem quite easy. It left me with the impression that if more women weren’t having babies later in life, it was purely by choice.

Around about 41, I started to get more serious about getting pregnant, and that’s when I discovered it wasn’t going to be as easy to accomplish as it been when I was 18. We ended up turning to IVF…. which is an expensive and difficult path. Finally, on the third cycle, I did get pregnant, and I gave birth to my son 2 weeks before I turned 44. My chances had not been good, but I (for once in my life) beat the odds. I was very lucky… but that was $50,000 worth of luck. (We borrowed the money from my MIL, and fortunately, once the grandkid arrived, she was thrilled enough at that development to refuse to let us pay her back.) My fertility doc included my story in the Geezer (my word) Mom chapter of his book.

Of course, many women (including my next-door-neighbor) DO get pregnant in their early 40’s without intervention. 47 is getting into the quite rare range, though. Halle Barre has every right to keep her own reproductive situation private (or even to lie about it if she so chooses, since it’s no one else’s business)… but I just don’t want others (who may be as clueless as I was) to get the false impression that they (too) will be able to get pregnant at 47… or even 43. It’s easier to use the eggs before they start to crack. (So to speak.) I did get pregnant (“naturally”) after my son was born (I think I was 45), but I miscarried… which is a common result of such late in life pregnancies, since the embryos are usually not viable.

(And then I adopted my younger daughter at age 48… so I have taken 3 paths to parenthood.)

[yawnmaster]

110. Having children does not use up one's eggs. In fact, it probably slowed down her egg production...

over her child bearing years, so far. It is likely that Halle Berry has produced more eggs in the last 20 years than Duggar, since during pregnancy the egg "ripening" cycle slows.

[VanillaRhapsody]

114. As someone who chose not to have children and who is now facing menopause herself you are wrong

at the age of 47 I asked a doctor if I still needed birth control....he of course said yes...but the caveat was...that the chances of getting pregnant at that age were astronomical. You are born with all the eggs you will ever have.

[yawnmaster]

119. Exactly... and Duggar does not use up her inventory of eggs while she is pregnant...

Over her last 15 or so years she has probably only had a handful of periods.
Perhaps only one before becoming pregnant again, while those not being pregnant might have 150 -200 cycles (with egg release).
Of course, birth control will also vary the cycles and egg release.

[Lars39]

124. I know quite a few "change of life" babies born to women in their early fifties.

[VanillaRhapsody]

126. No you don't...

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/05/27/late.pregnancy.risks/index.html

It's highly unusual for a woman to get pregnant on her own after age 45. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in 2008 there were 0.7 births per 1,000 women ages 45 to 49, compared with 9.9 births per 1,000 women ages 44 to 40.

[VanillaRhapsody]

128. Change of Life Babies are born to women in their 40's FYI

in the 50's almost NEVER happens without fertility treatment.

[Lars39]

138. Nope, these babies were born 50+ years ago.

[kcr]

148. I know someone in her 60s who's mother was over 50 when she was born.

You're right. It's rare but not completely unheard of.

[winter is coming]

211. +1. One of my great-grandmothers was in her fifties when she had her last child. n/t

[MADem]

240. My grandmother had her last kid at close to fifty.

She married late, at close to forty.

It's rare but it can happen.

They didn't do that frozen embryo thing back in the dark ages, either. The technology didn't exist.

My grandmother didn't have 20 kids though. Nothing even close to that.

My personal opinion of this woman's wish to keep having kids is that she's unwell, she's burdening her children unreasonably, and her condition may be associated with attention-seeking, but my public view is that "choice" is "choice" and if that's her choice it really ain't my business.

[cui bono]

129. They have the right, right now. And they also have the burden of responsibility

for overpopulating the world. The Dugger's responsibility for that is exponentially greater since all their offspring will have offspring - no doubt way too many like their stupid and selfish parents.

How do people in this day and age not understand anything about the world? And how do they not give a damn?

[frylock]

152. why give a shit when jeebus is right around the corner..

ready to take you to your reward?

[Boudica the Lyoness]

223. I bet Halle Berry also had amniocentesis.

What if we all decided to have as many children as possible? The planet would be doomed in a few decades. I think the Dugger's are being selfish...also it's a money maker for them.

[atreides1]

10. Yes she did.

But she hasn't had 19 before this one, has she?

[HappyMe]

26. Is it for YOU

to decide what Mrs Dugger should do reproductively?

It's beyond the pale to shame and talk shit about somebody that has had an abortion. It's bullshit to shame and talk shit about somebody that wants a ton of kids.

Choice is choice. Period. Full stop.

[enlightenment]

64. I disagree.

Terminating a pregnancy takes nothing from society and leaves nothing in society - it is most certainly the absolute choice of the woman involved.

Having a ton of kids automatically involves society and the planet. The Duggars apparently manage to support themselves by selling used cars and hawking their personal brand to the gullible masses - but there are plenty of people out there who insist on breeding without a thought to how they will support their growing brood. All those women who use fertility drugs and give birth to litters . . . what would they do without the happy sponsors who give them years of diapers and formula and such? Without the donations from people who think it's such a blessing to bring six or seven or eight horribly premature infants into the world who then need months - or even years - of intensive medical support?

Even if every one of these families could support their children, they are contributing - exponentially, since they raise their kids to be like them - to an increasingly over-burdened planet and it is hubris to believe that they have the right to do that.

Responsible people do not breed like bunnies.

[HappyMe]

74. It is still none of your fucking business.

You can blather on all you want about the planet, to justify your view point. I still maintain that pro-choice is pro-choice. Not up to you to decide what anybody wants to do with their uterus.

[enlightenment]

77. Your opinion.

I disagree. Isn't it great that we live in a country that allows us to do that?

[wercal]

93. Is there ever a line?

Here is a story about a 70 y/o woman giving birth:

http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/pregnant-at-70/?_r=0

She did it with a donor egg, so the miracles of science were involved. Is it always the woman's choice...or is there ever a point where the odds of severe complications/deformity make it cruel to conceive a baby? Especially if the mother uses science to eradicate any age walls that nature intended?

[cui bono]

133. Nope. It is our business when it affects our planet. We have the right to think she is selfish

and stupid and ignorant for not thinking about overpopulation. The planet cannot sustain this kind of population growth. It can't.

This has nothing to do with uteri and everything to do with being a responsible member of society. This is not a women's issue. It's an issue of a we society instead of a me society.

Why do you think there are laws against pollution? Because it affects others.

[mimi85]

158. You're exactly right, HappyMe

The first amendment, at least imo, says that you can have however many damn kids you want. I think people having beaucoup rug rats are being irresponsible, but it's not my place to criticize or decide who can procreate and who can't.

How someone interprets it is why we have institutions like the Supreme Court. I'm sick and tired of people interpreting the first amendment so that it just happens to fit their ideology. Same with the bible. I personally think it's an interesting myth, but it's not my job to tell others that their view of the bible is wrong, although I've certainly had some interesting discussions about it and the constitution.

Ha, HappyYou, I think we said mostly the same thing, but you put it much more succinctly.

[Travis_0004]

89. I think you are wrong.

I don't care if they have 10 more kids, its none of my business.

Also, the Duggers have a net worth of around 3.5 million. I'm guessing they are not looking for handouts to raise their children.

Are you against people on government assistance having children, since they would just need more assistance to raise them?

Also, with 6 billion people already, if a few people have a ton of kids its not going to change anything.

[enlightenment]

103. You're entitled to your opinion.

As I am entitled to mine.

I don't think that responsible humans should breed like rabbits. I don't care what their net worth happens to be.

[cui bono]

136. You are absolutely right.

It's highly irresponsible and shows a disregard for the rest of society, their children even, since they are going to grow up and live in a more overpopulated world which simply cannot sustain such growth. And their children will go and have huge families... and so on...

[kestrel91316]

65. No one is stopping Goodwife Duggar from having kids. It's a free country, and we are free to opine

about her moronic reproductive lifestyle as much as we want.

[HappyMe]

75. So if this were a story about some woman

that was preparing for her 20th abortion, we would be free to opine her moronic reproductive lifestyle?

[KittyWampus]

96. How would we know if anyone is having their 20 abortion? We wouldn't.

[treestar]

112. Yes, I think so.

If she made it public. It'd be expected people would question why she could not use birth control, maybe she'd have a good reason, maybe not. It would still be extreme.

[kestrel91316]

113. If she made a point of having a TV series to celebrate the fact, I'd be

opining in the exact same way. Idiocy is idiocy.

[cui bono]

140. How does abortion contribute to something that is life threatening to all of the earth's inhabitants

Overpopulation does that. The earth cannot sustain this kind of population growth, therefore it is extremely irresponsible and selfish for them to have this many kids.

This has nothing to do with a woman's right to choose. This has nothing to do with women's rights at all. It has to do with being a member of a society and not choosing to do something so stupid that it would endanger all of humanity. And she and her husband are adding to it exponentially since they are teaching their kids by example.

[frylock]

155. what if she were having her 20th apple?

or her 20th orange? what if she couldn't come up with a relevant analogy to back up her position?

[Mariana]

253. If she issued a press release telling us about it

the way Mrs. Duggar has done? If she was on a TV show about her and her 19 abortions, the way Mrs. Duggar is on a TV show about her and her 19 kids? Certainly we would opine, because we've been invited to.

[Arugula Latte]

153. Do you not see a difference between actively trying to interfere with her reproductive choices

(like the anti-abortion lunatics) and simply making passive judgments and commenting on her choices?

[frylock]

157. evidently not..

this person is equating the termination of a pregnancy with issues of overpopulation.

[StevieM]

18. She almost certainly used donor eggs (eom)

[LisaL]

71. What on Earth gave you this idea?

[Ranchemp.]

84. Why would you think that?

[VanillaRhapsody]

116. You are right...

It's highly unusual for a woman to get pregnant on her own after age 45. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in 2008 there were 0.7 births per 1,000 women ages 45 to 49, compared with 9.9 births per 1,000 women ages 44 to 40.


slim and none are her chances of natural conception..."God" will most likely ignore her pleas...

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/05/27/late.pregnancy.risks/index.html

[Worried senior]

2. The last one they had

was a preemie and I don't know if she has medical problems now or not but it's really a stupid idea on their part.

[hamsterjill]

22. That was the next to last one.

The very last pregnancy ended in miscarriage. They had a memorial service, named the child ("Jubilee&quot , and had a burial.

They, of course, did a show about it...

Cha ching, cha ching!

[frogmarch]

4. Maybe Michelle and Bob should

try twerking to see if that would help.

[Beaverhausen]

6. They should have considered adoption about 15 kids ago

Sorry for being judgemental but that's my opinion.

[gopiscrap]

7. OMG what the fuck is going on in her head?

[Blue_Tires]

11. The reality TV gravy train??

That's why she kept popping them out after number 8 or 9 or whatever...

[gopiscrap]

14. yeah and the problem is that people watch this shit

[Arugula Latte]

20. Gotta get to a nice round number. 19 just ain't gonna cut it.

[PasadenaTrudy]

23. Brainwashed

They are part of the Quiverfull cult...

[jeff47]

79. Quiverfull movement

They're part of the "Quiverfull" movement.

The idea is for religious fundamentalists to have enormous families in order to out-breed the evil non-religious-fundamentalists and take over the country.

[gopiscrap]

80. OMG, are you serious?

[PasadenaTrudy]

86. Google it

Quite repulsive!

[gopiscrap]

90. Just did, it is repulsive

what about good stewardship or the earth.

[jeff47]

88. Yep.

It's a real movement. These guys are their most famous adherents.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiverfull

[gopiscrap]

92. OMG

[anneboleyn]

150. Exactly. The "Quiverfull" movement is about having the most children possible.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

154. Yup

The Duggers are not the "nice people" their carefully crafted PR makes them out to be.

[PasadenaTrudy]

8. These people are

the true definition of breeders.

[hamsterjill]

12. Anything for ratings.

I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe that these people are as simplistic as they try to appear on television. They are savvy business people who bankroll large sums with their TLC show.

Their only claim to fame is birthing. When that stops, what gimmick are they going to use to keep their audience? So, they continue the soundbytes about further birthing.

[gopiscrap]

17. or they have savvy handlers who get a cut!

[Warren Stupidity]

15. why is it of any concern to me?

[elleng]

102. Ditto

[Dr. Strange]

175. You must be new to DU.

This is DU's version of the scarlet letter.

[840high]

185. .....

[TheDebbieDee]

16. Those two are trying to reverse the demographic trend of America

all by themselves! Good luck with that, Duggars.

[Ranchemp.]

21. Why does anyone here care?

It's none of our business if they want to have 40 children, and as far as I know, they're self sufficient, they pay their own way.

[hamsterjill]

28. Of course. 40 more future endorsements for Rick Santorum, right?

If they wanted their lives to be private, they wouldn't be paid for doing a reality show.

[Ranchemp.]

36. So what?

What business is it of anyone here who they may or may not vote for? It's not about privacy, it's about why we should care how many children they want.

[hamsterjill]

44. This is a simple discussion about a couple that has an exorbitant number of children.

We are commenting here on the fact that they've announced that they want to try to have another child.

My opinion is that it is a SICK thing for someone to have that many children. My opinion is also that the Quiverfull movement (which they are a part of) has the much intended consequence of creating offspring that will turn the tide of voters in America to conservative.

The Quiverfull movement is also abusive to women. I base that on accounts of women who have left that movement and written about it.

It isn't necessarily MY business how many children they choose to have. But the fact that they have an unusually large number of children AND the fact that they have opted to make that situation very public by having a reality show (and making money off of that venture) makes it unrealistic that people would NOT comment about it. Therefore, I am commenting about their situation. I have no way of making an impact on whether or not they choose to get pregnant again, but I'll comment about it if I choose.

[Throd]

29. You're new here. Nothing like a good ol' Duggar thread to boil the blood around here.

[JI7]

33. because jim bob ran for political office and may try again in the future plus they have a tv show

so they put themselves out there . and the tv show is based on their family and how many kids they have.

[The Stranger]

34. Well if everyone had as much offspring as possible, the already-overpopulated and depleted planet

would only become even more overpopulated and depleted.

At some point, doesn't it become a question of responsibility?

[hamsterjill]

45. Exactly.

It's not about whether they have a RIGHT to procreate to no end; it's whether or not doing that is advisable and responsible.

[theHandpuppet]

66. +1

Do the math, people.

[Ed Suspicious]

78. The US is adding to population at

A rate that is below replacement. Overpopulation is a myth. If it weren't for Latino immigration we would be facing an inverted population pyramid and that indeed would be bad for the social fabric of the country. They can birth as many kids as they would like and it still wouldn't fix our population problems.

Also, as a rule, I don't make reproductive decisions or judgements for or about other people.

We should mind our own friggin business.

[Gormy Cuss]

105. Overpopulation is a myth because the U.S. birth rate is below replacement?

Global population growth from 1950 forward with projection to 2050:


You and Michelle Duggar agree on this though:

Michelle tells Celebrity Baby Scoop that she doesn't believe in overpopulation. "We have studied it and I believe that there is a misconception about overpopulation. I think that the whole mindset of overpopulation is really overrated," the Duggar family matriarch explains. "A few years back, we stated that the whole population of the world could be stood shoulder-to-shoulder in Jacksonville. That may have changed a little bit since we've heard that statistic."

[Warren DeMontague]

164. It's a myth that telling people in America to have fewer babies will solve the problem where it is.

Yes.



People in countries with economic resources, access to reproductive care, and the freedom (especially religious) to manage their own lives, tend to control their population on their own.

These threads invariably devolve into a chance for axe-grinders to huff and puff about "stop breeding!"



If the Duggars were somehow indicative of trends in the US, it might be relevant, but they're not.

[Gormy Cuss]

194. Well yes, the U.S.'s birth rate dropping won't solve the world problem.

But the U.S. and those other countries with the attributes you listed also tend to be the countries using a disproportionate of resources so even with our lower birth rates we're not out of the equation when it comes to assessing the problem of overpopulation.

"Stop breeding" isn't the issue, but maybe having fewer children still is. The Duggars aren't relevant in terms of trends but quite frankly I'm not going to celebrate the idiocy of someone who defends her own need to keep have kids by claiming there's no global population problem.

eta I'll be first in line to stop any legislation of number of children one can have but I'm also not going to ignore the very real issues associated with world population growth.

[Warren DeMontague]

221. And that's how these coversations always go- but the question then, isn't first world population at

all, so much as first world resource utilization.

Because if the US population is maintaining essentially a flat or replacement fertility rate; and what growth there is, is due to immigration- how does framing the problem as "fertility" or "babies" realistically solve anything? The answer is, it doesn't. The US isn't going to drastically cut its population, and immigration is more or less a fact of life.

So "population is a problem" is a true statement; in places where it is a problem, like Guinea-Bissou. It's localized, because global population isn't fungible. Reducing the US Population to Zero to accommodate increased population in other places, is not going to happen. In other places, like here, there are different problems, around sustainability and resources and the like.

Lastly, I don't know how many people here are actively "celebrating" Michelle Duggar. I see people saying it's her right to make that choice, as insane as it may seem to most of us. I also don't think she's some pied piper of "have a shitload of babies". There are people inclined to do that, but overall I don't think there's much danger of it becoming a huge trend or fad.

[The Stranger]

132. That's a false assumption. I see it now.

Criticizing someone for having 20 children while the planet is being obliterated is not making reproductive decisions for them.

I think I have discovered what is underlying some these posts, and it's bullshit.

I can talk about this woman and her husband, but that doesn't mean I am in any way "making reproductive decisions for them."

Not no way, and not know how.

And you seem to want to use that false assumption to keep people from openly and freely (and rightly) discussing overpopulation and the problems our planet (and other human beings) are facing.

No, that's not going to work, sorry.

[Hippo_Tron]

170. Data is not the plural of anecdote

Most people don't choose to have as many offspring as they possibly can. Furthermore, half of all pregnancies are unplanned. Overpopulation is best dealt with by expanding contraception, not by getting upset about one family's choices.

[HughBeaumont]

37. Uh, because not only is another miscarriage a certainty . . .

. . . . but her own death becomes a probability? Nobody has a womb of steel, and something tells me Jim Dumb the Serial Impregnator isn't down with taking care of 17 or so kids on his own.

[Ranchemp.]

39. That's still none of our business.

[HughBeaumont]

41. They're the ones on TV. It's now everyone's business.

Yeah, the kids could lose their mother for the whole world to see. So what? Everybody dies, amirite?

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

163. But think of the ratings!!!!

Because that's what this is about.

[theHandpuppet]

59. They made it our business...

... when they decided to have a reality TV show about -- guess what? Their ever-growing brood of children and the mother's perpetual pregnancy. Well, since they've made it our business (and literally, theirs) we damn well have a right to comment about it.

[kestrel91316]

70. It sure as hell is, lol. Those attention whores have a TV show that is specifically focused on

their irresponsible reproductive lives.

[kestrel91316]

68. If she dies he'll just marry some sweet young thang and start all over, have 20 more.

[meadowlark5]

120. I believe he would

After that many vaginal births, you do run a greater risk of hemorrhage or the uterus prolapsing. Amazed it hasn't happened yet. But at 47, muscle becomes weaker.

But they have so many daughters that take care of the younger ones, it's not like Jim Bob would have to do anything different than he does now. Except what you said, find a new woman and begin again.

[hatrack]

134. Yes, and I'm sure Gaw-duh will instruct him accordingly

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

161. Sadly, there are probably plenty who'd sign on for it. nt

[JonLP24]

43. Over-population is a serious concern

Not enough resources to go around.

[Ranchemp.]

46. OMG stop the presses, the Duggars are going to over populate the planet

with one more child.

[JonLP24]

48. You're right

I don't care.

[HappyMe]

51. Right?

I guess pro-choice around here means only choices that people agree with.

[JonLP24]

57. I didn't express how I felt about it

Just pointed out why it could be a concern. Certainly didn't express any legal remedies.

However, she already has 19 children out so there is nothing that can be done about that. What's one more? I see the poster's point. The problem of overpopulation is caused by far more than just that family.

It is an interesting case, what should be done about overpopulation while balancing things such as choice?

[HappyMe]

60. There are plenty of people

that decide to not have children. I don't think that big families are the norm anymore. I am uncomfortable with anybody deciding how many children people can or can't have.

[JonLP24]

63. I understand

I'm not making that decision myself and also choosing not to have children.

Even if we don't come up with a solution, nature will take care of it. -- Though it would effect the poorest countries & people first.

[PasadenaTrudy]

91. Childfree here too

There needs to be less of us on this planet.

[kestrel91316]

72. We're NOT deciding how many children they can have. We are opining about their very public

lifestyle choices.

[nadinbrzezinski]

58. Oy, and that is all I will say to you

[treestar]

108. It's newsworthy because it's weird

Because the vast majority of people don't do this. In fact, they are about the only ones that seem to be trying to have as many as they can. She is 47 and has grandchildren and already has 19 children, so her saying, publicly, she wants a 20th is newsworthy.

[City Lights]

125. They have a teevee show and this is a discussion board.

Why do you care if we care?

[cui bono]

143. Because of overpopulation, which our planet cannot sustain.

It's all of our business since the planet simply cannot sustain such growth. It's extremely irresponsible and selfish behavior.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

160. Because they are Republicans and Fundies

Fuck 'em.

[HughBeaumont]

245. And homophobes.

That's another thing that they made public during their Santorum stops.

[bighart]

25. Her body, her choice.

[kelly1mm]

27. Her body, her choice. None of my or anybody else's business IMO. nt

[Kelvin Mace]

32. Agreed, but

she is the one with the reality TV show making it not exactly a private matter.

[kelly1mm]

38. Point taken. I don't watch it and am not invested in it one way or another. nt

[HughBeaumont]

40. "Her choice" is kind of open to interpretation here.

Quiverful wives in dominionist religions don't really have an honest-to-goodness "choice" in much of anything they do.

[kelly1mm]

49. Isn't that your opinion? Do you have any evidence that she does not want another child? Do

you have any evidence that she is part of this dominonist religion by force? I have not heard anything that would be evidence of either. Thus, IMO, it is none of my business. People make decisions I would not make if I were in their shoes many million times per day. Not my business to care, especially when it has to do with their body.

[jeff47]

85. So....you've deliberately avoided finding out information about these people

And yet you are able to declare with absolute certainty that a fundamentalist sect in the US with a lengthy history of abusing women (the Quiverfull movement) has miraculously not put any pressure on this woman.

And then you argue over and over again that you don't care....over and over and over and over and over again.

If you didn't care, you wouldn't be posting.

[kelly1mm]

122. I care that certain posters here on DU seem to think it is appropriate to say that her

reproductive choices should be limited. If she wants more kids, fine. If she does not want more kids, fine. Again, do you have any evidence that THIS WOMAN does not want more kids? Any evidence that THIS WOMAN is not perfectly happy with her choice of religion?

[Hippo_Tron]

173. She doesn't live in Saudi Arabia, she has a choice

You could speculate that years of manipulation and emotional abuse prevent her from believing she does have a choice, in which case I would really truly feel terrible for her. But whether she is able to accept reality or not doesn't change the fact that in reality she has a choice.

[kestrel91316]

76. It's her decision, but it's the entire WORLD'S business because they have a TV show revolving around

their reproductive lifestyle.

[mnhtnbb]

42. I can't believe it took 29 responses before someone said it!

[The Stranger]

121. I know, and I ducked after I dared to post it.

I thought that I would be thrown off the site for sure.

[HughBeaumont]

47. Her? I think Jim Dumb's the one that needs to be snipped.

Far easier, and before it's too late for Michelle.

[The Stranger]

123. Good point.

(Ward Cleaver, right?)

[HappyMe]

52. Seriously, 'spayed'?

Wow.

[Ed Suspicious]

81. It's more hatred of women.

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More people deciding what's best for a woman and her family.

[The Stranger]

127. That's a real stretch.

These people have 20 kids on a planet that is overpopulated and its species depleted by 8 billion humans, and you're claiming we are "deciding what's best for a woman and her family," as if she's the victim in all of this.

You know, at some point, common sense wins out.

Reason is calling.

You lose this one.

[LanternWaste]

251. One may simply wonder why you didn't call for her husband to be neutered also

One may simply wonder why you didn't call for her husband to be neutered instead or also, which might also be construed as "common sense"...

Six of one, half a dozen of the other (insert distinction without a difference here)

[kestrel91316]

82. I'd volunteer but I haven't ever even done a dog her size. 100 lb max. And I just do cats now.

[cyberswede]

233. I'm disappointed in your reply here.

She's not an animal, despite her flaws.

[kestrel91316]

250. Did I say she was???? I pointed out how I'm not qualified.

[cyberswede]

257. The post to which you replied said she should be spayed. Like an animal.

So, your reply reads as if you're not qualified...to spay her (and included the animals you *are* qualified to spay).

I usually agree with you and enjoy your posts. I guess I was surprised that you didn't take issue with someone so cavalierly comparing a woman to an animal that needs to be "fixed."

No hard feelings, I hope.

[joeybee12]

99. When we spay we clip the ear a little so if they're caught again, they won't get operated on

again. So...do we clip Mrs. Duggar's ear or not?

[The Stranger]

139. Your call, I guess.

The spay thing was really humorous, not literal.

The point is that it is irresponsible to litter the planet with 20 children while ecosystems are being destroyed by too many people already here.

And we can talk about that without being afraid that someone will accuse us of "making reproductive decisions for them." They can be free to make reproductive decisions, and hopefully people can prevail upon them to make more RESPONSIBLE reproductive decisions.

[joeybee12]

144. Oh I got that...I was trying to be humorous also...

Wome were not made to have litters, which is what this woman is doing....some people can argue all they want about choice, but I doubt this is a rational choice by this woman who appears not to be very bright...do I want to stop her from making this bad chocie? No, but I will comment on it.

[The Stranger]

146. Yes, you get it.

Maybe someone will get through to her.

Maybe she'll become a worldwide spokesperson for the planet.

Maybe. Just maybe.

[Freddie]

31. She's 47

Mother Nature has a way of shutting the whole thing down.

[texanwitch]

35. They need another kid for their tv show.

Twenty and counting.

I feel sorry for the baby.

The last two babies didn't do so well.

[RebelOne]

165. Mother Nature shut me down when I was 44.

And I couldn't have been happier. I had two children and that was enough.

[tammywammy]

50. Her body, her choice.

[cynatnite]

53. Yes. n/t

[Throd]

54. Apparently not a view held by half of DU

[HappyMe]

56. Yeah.

I guess pro-choice doesn't mean what I thought it did.

[treestar]

111. No one is saying it should be illegal

She made it public. Why can't people have an opinion? It's just their opinion.

[XemaSab]

61. Much as I hate to say it

+1

[jeff47]

87. That only means we can't stop her.

We are free to comment about it. Especially since they made themselves public figures in order to profit from their breeding.

[Nevernose]

95. That doesn't make it a smart choice

And I wouldn't even have an opinion on her choice if she wasn't going to the media to tell the world about her choices.

[Aerows]

115. It's not an intelligent choice

and with bearing that many children she has probably shortened her lifespan and I should think a child at 47 (and quiver full's don't believe in fertility treatments, now whether they secretly use them or not I don't know) would be in danger for complications.

You'd think at this point if they want yet another child they would just adopt.

[Warren DeMontague]

167. Yeah, pretty much.

Other than that, I haven't seen a good reason why I should care about her one way or the other.

I also don't buy tabloid magazines at the supermarket. Who fucking cares?

[cyberswede]

224. I agree.

Choice means choice, regardless of whether others agree with that choice.

[davepc]

55. I'm pro choice

Her reproductive choices are up to her.

[Mariana]

83. They certainly are up to her.

And we get to express our opinions about her reproductive choices.

[kestrel91316]

62. That oldest son is a slacker: only 3 kids in the 7 years since he reached adulthood. He should have

AT LEAST 6 by now.

[LisaL]

67. She had a very premature child then she had a miscarriage.

I am not sure what she thinks she is going to accomplish if she actually does get pregnant again.

[texanwitch]

100. The last child died inside her.

I wonder how the child who was born premature is doing.

[GoCubsGo]

69. Her choice, but...

I just feel bad for all the kids, especially the older daughters. They're the ones who are going to be raising it, not the mother. And, with so many of them, I can't believe they get enough love and attention from their mother.

[Aerows]

118. That's another point, too

I can't think that's healthy emotionally for the children. Ultimately it's her choice but I disagree with it.

[bunnies]

73. I dont understand that line of thinking on any level.

In fact, I find it quite bizarre.

[tularetom]

98. She didn't get those kids from God

she got them because Billy Bob stuck his peepee in her hooha.

So I wish she would shut the fuck up with all that sanctimonious bullshit about blessings, prayer and gifts from the lord.

In fact I don't care how many kids they have I just plain wish she would shut the fuck up period.

If I want to see dumb hillbillies acting like fools on TV I'll turn on Honey Booboo.

[LittleBlue]

106. She is actually a pretty good mom

Watched a few episodes out of curiosity. Despite having all these children, the family is loving and the parents are good.

If she wants to have 50, it's her business. The percentage of world resources these children will use is insignificant, so it really comes down to her personal preference.

[applegrove]

107. The poor oldest kids in that family have chores all day long. That is child abuse.

[Llewlladdwr]

176. Expecting your children to assist with household chores is abuse?

That reasoning would have come in handy when I was a youngster....

[applegrove]

177. I'm talking about forcing kids to care for someone under the age of

5 in all your free time. To be doing laundry in all your free time. Kids need time, and lots of it, to play. Ever talked to someone who had to work all the time as a child or be almost the main caregiver to a much younger child? Children get lost in huge families too. It is a tough way to grow up. People who have done it don't want that life for their children. Why you universally see much smaller families when people have access to reproductive technologies and have the choice.

[nomorenomore08]

242. +1

[HooptieWagon]

130. I think they're mentally ill. nt

[madinmaryland]

141. Fucking Morans. Are they also Mormans?

Either way, they need to...


GET A BRAIN, MORANS!!

[liberal_at_heart]

142. I can't stand how judgmental DU is about how many children people have. I am trashing this thread.

[Demobrat]

145. I decided a long time ago not to have kids.

She can have mine.

[regnaD kciN]

147. If you're more "physically ill"…

…about one woman trying to have one more child (even if it's an excessive number) than by the threat to all of us from the possibility of a Republican-forced default, may I suggest you need a reality check?

Seriously, this is just another example of the Corporate Media's strategy to distract us with "human-interest stories." Basically, it's "pay no attention to the wholesale public theft behind the curtain...look over there at what Snooki and the Kardashians are doing!!!"

[JustAnotherGen]

151. Just doesn't seem very fair

I'm sure this is why my friend J called and left me a v.m.. To each their own - but she already has 19 - how about a little baby dust for those of us on the TTC, ectopic, miscarriage, baby scam train? Just doesn't seem fair . . .

[Nye Bevan]

156. Ah, a Duggar thread. Where most DUers abruptly stop being pro-choice

and become judgmental interfering busybodies.

Personally, I don't give a shit how few or how many kids anybody wants to have.

[Warren DeMontague]

166. DU loves a good 15 minutes hate.

Funny thing is, I wouldn't know who these people were, if not for this place. Why give them attention?

[cyberswede]

234. Disappointing, isn't it. nt

[Texasgal]

169. her childbearing choices

are none of my business and none of yours either.

[AngryOldDem]

171. I don't know what they're trying to prove.

She must have some kind of self-destructive impulse that he's all too happy to feed. But I won't be holding my breath, given their ages, unless they're getting treatments (which may be against their religious beliefs, for all I know).

At least they're considering adoption.

I stopped trying to figure these folks out a long time ago.

[Llewlladdwr]

172. Her body, her choice.

If you respect a woman's right to choose you have to respect whatever choice she makes whether you agree with it or not. Don't be a hypocrite...

[Initech]

174. Gross. Didn't the last one nearly kill her?

No serious doctor in their right mind would allow this woman to do this.

[Seeking Serenity]

178. Really? Doctors can "allow" or "disallow" their patients to do or not to do a thing?

Really? I had no idea doctors possessed that much authority over their patients' lives.

[Initech]

179. No that's for the insurance companies to decide.

[OwnedByCats]

180. Good grief

Everybody has a CHOICE.

She has the choice to have more kids, if it happens - which is probably unlikely anyway at this point.

The rest of the female population has the CHOICE to have children or not have children.

We as consumers have the CHOICE to use our remote controls and change the channel on any show we don't want to watch.

While some say they aren't trying to dictate how many children, if any, one should have - that's what it sounds like I'm afraid.

It's not your life, not your business, and certainly you do not have to watch their show.

[kcr]

181. Ugh. Some of the replies in this thread. The Quiverful movement is nothing to defend.

Anyone who purports to be prochoice should join in denouncing it and do a little research on the quiverfuls. Not slamming others and proclaiming them hypocrites. The Duggars are no friends to the pro-choice movement. Far from it. They'd have every single woman in this country equally subjugated and popping out babies like a pez dispenser. Choice has nothing to do with it.

[Llewlladdwr]

182. I'll say it again.

If you believe in a woman's right to chose then you also have to accept the choice that she makes. Her reasons for her choice are not yours to question or criticize. To do so is rank hypocrisy.

[kcr]

183. You can say it however many times you like. It doesn't make it right.

Sorry. We don't have to shut up and sit down and let these people spread their hate and misogyny and subjugation. Bullshit. These people are dangerous.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

184. So in turn....

....no one has any right to criticize the Quiverful Movement, correct?

After all, as long as "choice" is behind it all, there is no way we can raise any question about it, right?

[kcr]

186. It's ridiculous, isn't it?

All you have to do is read the accounts of the poor women who've escaped. They were clearly brainwashed. Their accounts of what they went through are horrific. But we can't criticize that? Hogwash.

[Llewlladdwr]

188. Not if you wish to avoid being a hypocrite.

If you don't support women who make reproductive choices you don't like you don't really support reproductive choice.

[kcr]

189. So, let's get this straight.

In order to support reproductive choice, you also have to support those who exploit women? Why in the hell is that?

[Llewlladdwr]

190. I see no sign that Mrs. Dugger is being exploited.

She seems to welcome the opportunity to carry another child. This seems to be a choice that she is making freely. So no, you don't get to criticize her for that.

[kcr]

191. You know nothing of the quiverful movement then.

They follow Bill Gothard. Google his name. Just like I said in another post. Their movement is nothing to champion and defend. Discovery Channel does everything it can to downplay that aspect of their lives to make it more palatable. It doesn't matter if she goes along with it willingly. Then she's a willing participant in a very ugly, cruel movement. Plenty of women aren't willing participants.

[Llewlladdwr]

192. I'm not defending the quiverful movement.

I'm defending a woman's right to make her own reproductive choices. Whatever choice she makes. None or twenty, it's all the same, and totally up to her.

[kcr]

193. Are people entitled to abuse their children after they have them?

Is it hypocritical to criticize a child abuser, because after all, they exercised their right to have that child? I'm really not getting this. Who cares if she's exercised her right to choose? It's still not right to treat them like chattel. That's what the quiverful movement comes down to. The women and children, particularly the girls, are treated like chattel. I don't care how many children a person has.

[Llewlladdwr]

195. I have heard no accusations of abuse in the Dugger family.

At least not anywhere but here at DU.

[kcr]

197. That's why I'm telling you you need to educate yourself on the movement n/t

[Llewlladdwr]

200. The movement is immaterial in this discussion.

The reasons behind a woman's reproductive choices cannot be questioned. Anything else and you might as well just start figuring out how many restrictions you're going to place on her choice.

You can oppose the quiverful movement without criticizing Mrs. Duggars reproductive choices. If they are doing evil, point out the evil, but choosing to become pregnant is not evil and does not deserve condemnation anymore than choosing to terminate a pregnancy would.

[kcr]

204. It most certainly is.

First of all I'm not placing any restrictions on anyone's reproduction. You can claim that all you want, till you turn blue in the face. It doesn't make it true. I haven't seen anyone else do so, either. I've seen criticism of her choice. Personally, I'm not criticizing the number of children she's had. I'm criticizing the treatment of her children. The fact that the movement calls for a large number of children isn't really material.

[Llewlladdwr]

206. In what way are her children being mistreated? nt

[kcr]

207. Again. Do some research.

Discovery channel glosses over a lot. The girls are not allowed to persue any interests deemed unfeminine. They have to care for the younger kids but the boys do not. Their education is limited far more. The cult they follow demands this.

[Llewlladdwr]

214. While those things certainly sound conservative...

None of them rise to the level of abuse, at least in my opinion. Parents have a certain amount of freedom in the values they choose to impart to their children. While we may not agree with the Duggars they seem to be exercising those right without endangering their children. My wife and I are planning to homeschool our granddaughter because frankly, the public schools here in Texas aren't all that great. Some people might say we're planning to limit her education because of that, but I truly believe I can provide a better education than the state. Perhaps the Duggars feel the same.

[kcr]

215. I was limited in my scope in what I could portray in my post.

It isn't merely conservative. Not by a longshot. It isn't just typical homeschooling. They also use the Pearl method of discipline, for example. That IS abuse.

[kcr]

216. And again, I'm not kidding when I say, you have to do research on this movement.

It isn't your typical garden variety conservatism. It's far beyond that. These people espouse dangerous views.

[OwnedByCats]

208. Come on

That's ridiculous. We're talking about a woman's right to have children or not have them. We're not talking about condoning child abuse or religious cults.

[kcr]

209. No.

It's not ridiculous. I'm countering this person's assertion that I'm a hypocrite for criticizing these people's beliefs while being pro-choice. That's what's ridiculous. I wonder if the poster would criticize a 1st amendment supporter as a hypocrite if they supported a KKK demonstrator but didn't also support their beliefs? Probably not.

[OwnedByCats]

212. Like it or not

it is hypocritical. Sorry. PRO-CHOiCE is not up for your determination.

We're talking about women's right to choose, not if it's ok to be a bigot and express such.

This is not remotely a fair statement.

[kcr]

213. No, it isn't

It's ludicrous to say that not only does one have to agree that one has a choice, but one has to always agree with that choice. My KKK comparison stands. I agree that KKK have the right to freedom of speech. But I don't agree with what they say. That doesn't make me a bigot or a hypocrite. I don't agree with the Duggars either. Sorry. If one believes that a person has a right to choose, they're pro choice. period.

[OwnedByCats]

225. Whatever

So you believe in choice but feel the need to disagree with hers, on her behalf. The point I'm trying to make is it's her choice, not yours, and to judge others for their personal choice in regard to reproductive rights just doesn't sound very pro choice to me. I would say there is no way in hell I would have 19 kids, but if she does - that's none of my business and I don't believe it's anyone else's except her and her family.

[kcr]

228. Wow, imagine that. Someone disagrees.

Man, people going and having opinions and stuff. You know what? They went on TV. If they'd kept to their own little selves, maybe you'd have a point. But they didn't. They're very political in fact. They donate lots of money to press those views as well, on top of having a show. So yeah. I feel the need.

[OwnedByCats]

236. Ok

Excuse me for thinking ALL women have the right to choose, not just liberal women.

And I don't care if they are on television. I can choose not to give their show ratings and I don't. I also don't feel the need to bitch about their reproductive choices.

[kcr]

237. That's fine. Not everyone has to care.

I just object to slamming those that do. Our criticisms are more than valid.

[Llewlladdwr]

230. I'm not saying anyone is a hypocrite for criticizing people's beliefs.

What I feel is hypocritical is claiming to be pro-choice and then condemning someone for making a choice. I'm only applying this to reproductive rights. If you want to criticize their politics or practices that's great, that's part of the public debate. What shouldn't be up for debate is the correctness of Mrs. Duggars reproductive choices.

[kcr]

232. I don't think you know what the word hypocritical means

I don't get what's so hypocritical about thinking a right should exist, but that it doesn't make a decision the right one. That doesn't make someone a hypocrite. That doesn't meet the definition, or any definition of the word I've ever heard.

[polly7]

196. She 'used' her miscarrage to lecture other women on the web

on the evils of abortion. I remember reading it, and it was disgusting.

[snooper2]

222. That doesn't mean you can't make fun of them

We need our petty pastimes thank you very much. Fundies provide that for us folks who know how a supernova works

[get the red out]

255. No, we have to be morose, lecturing humorless

Liberals. We can't state the fucking truth if it looks like we might possibly be speaking ill of someone's (bad) choices in life. NO FUCKING LAUGHING, WE ARE THE LEFT DAMMIT!

[JI7]

243. those criticizing aren't calling for legislation to ban her from having kids

that's a HUGE difference .

the problem with the anti abortion types isn't that they themselves are opposed to abortion but that they want to take away the choice from other women.

[hamsterjill]

249. Great response!!!!

Thank you very much for this! You are thinking on your feet, and you are absolutely 100% correct!

[get the red out]

258. We can question and criticize anything!

I don't care if her cult questions and criticizes abortion. The difference between us and them is that THEY WANT TO MAKE BIRTH CONTROL AND ABORTION ILLEGAL. No one here is saying having a massive amount of children should be illegal. There is a very big difference. I always tell people that I have zero opposition to religious people having negative views of ending or preventing pregnancy so long as they don't try to influence the laws of the land.

I don't get why liberals would ever feel the need to shut up discussion? So what if these people get criticized. They are on TV by choice, they accepted a public life with their TV contract. Why are they so damned special that they cannot be criticized?

[TeamPooka]

187. Breeders

[Decaffeinated]

201. Yes they are...

Is that a pejorative or just a statement of fact?

[dkf]

198. Why are we supposed to care?

Live and let live I say.

[OwnedByCats]

210. It's apparent

that some of DU finds it necessary to dictate how others should live. Guess we have some not so liberal people here. Do as I say and all that.

[Hekate]

202. It's a ridiculous number of kids; and for this incontinence she is praised....

Condors' wives were expected to have babies continuously, since that is what One made women for; one of the daughters of Terter House had seven children, the eldest of them ten years old, and for this incontinence she was praised by men and envied by women. If they could have borne in litters, like himpi, such women would have done so.
Ursula K. LeGuin, Always Coming Home, p. 345

Aside from that, The Lord Gawd is trying to tell her to stop. Doesn't she believe in signs from God? It seems to me that after 19 healthy kids, the last two are a sign she should stop.

But if the only thing she knows how to do is be a baby-making machine and act in a freak show -- or rather, reality show -- then it may just be that she will keep this up until she either dies or has a hysterectomy, because her entire self-worth hinges on this.

[LadyHawkAZ]

203. MMMM, tasty popcorn!

[Union Scribe]

205. "we are not expecting right now"

All this angst over a woman possibly maybe getting pregnant at some point in the future. Good use of outrage, folks.

[Recursion]

217. Would you criticize someone who publicly talked about wanting to terminate a pregnancy? (nt)

[GreenStormCloud]

218. The Quiverful movement has very few followers among Evangelicals.

No major evangelical or charismatic demonination endorses the Quiverful movement. The Southern Baptists don't. The Assembly of God doesn't. The Cowboy Churches don't. Nor does it have a signifigant number of followers. The reason is simple. Kids cost lots of money. A lot of kids costs a great amount of money.

[Recursion]

219. Well, give it a generation

Malthus, and all...

[GreenStormCloud]

226. What do people here think of the welfare woman who had 15 kids?

A few months ago there was a video that went viral over the internet. It was a news clip about a welfare woman who had 15 kids from three different baby-daddys and was complaining that here gov't benefits weren't enough. As she was complaining on camera, angrily yelling, "Somebody's gotta pay for these kids."

Does anybody here think that she should have stopped having kids about a dozen kids ago?

Or is it just the Duggars that get criticized?

[TreasonousBastard]

231. "Choice" my ass...

what if she chose to puke 12 times a day as an anorexic,

chose to stab herself regularly,

chose to become a prostitute or porn actress,

chose to, if her husband became infertile himself, run around looking for proper mates to father the brood...

and it goes on for many "choices" women can, and do, make that are regularly condemned by many so happily proclaiming her "right" to have as many children as she wants.

Nowhere is it suggested, by the proponents of her "rights" that she might be brainwashed, under duress, or mentally unstable in exercising this "right" and nowhere is it demonstrated where this "right" originates from. Is it really a "right" to have as many children as possible just because you can?

Besides, hardly anyone here is claiming a "right" to stop her, but since she has gone public with a TV show proclaiming her ridiculous choice, that automatically puts her in the spotlight where any of us can call what she's doing ridiculous.

[hughee99]

238. It seems to me if she has a right to an abortion, she has a right to give birth as well. n/t

[Common Sense Party]

235. She has about a 1 in 20 chance of having a child with Down Syndrome.

That is at least something to consider at her age. She'll be 67 when that child turns 20. If the child has special needs, who is going to care for him or her?

I have no beef with families choosing to have many children, so long as the kids are well cared-for.

[Nye Bevan]

239. Make sure to tell any woman whose decision to have a child you "have a beef" with

what your opinion of her choice is. I'm sure she'll be most appreciative.

[Common Sense Party]

248. You first.

What an inane post.

[lynne]

241. Keep your nose out of her uterus!

This is her CHOICE. Not a choice I'd make, for sure, but certainly not my business. If you believe a woman should have a right to choose what does and does not grow in her body, then you should stand by your belief and butt out.

Anything less is total hypocrisy.

[get the red out]

256. Her cult need to keep their noses out of ours

She represents a group that has a goal of creating a theocracy. They do not believe in anyone having choices. I don't have to approve of people in the Quiverfull Movement. People have every right to voice their opposition to what these people stand for.

[Iggo]

246. She's got every right to do it, and I respect that right.

But I also think she's fucking stupid for doing it.

[Left2Tackle]

247. She's definitely found her "calling" and loves being pregnant.

or she just loves sex (and who could blame her)

[ffr]

252. Just what humanity needs. Overbreeding.

I guess if that's her choice. Hope she's not offended if we all joined in, every last single one of us.

I'm still of reproductive age. I could easily father 40 children. Come on everyone. Let's all do it.

Make the world a happier place.

[get the red out]

254. It's a living I guess

Poping 'em out assembly line style for her Quiverfull GAWD and her male owner gets her on TV after all. And she has daughters who need to get used to their future life as brood mares to care for the infants. The viewers might lose interest in the train wreck if there isn't an new addition every now and then.

The more white babies for GAWD, the quicker they can take over and have their glorious theocracy, then we all get to live like that, YEEE HAAA!