And Boehner's cave begins--needs Democratic votes for debt ceiling bill

[geek tragedy]

A Senior House GOP source concedes to CNN that to get the White House on board with a debt ceiling deal, House Republicans would likely have to agree to a clean short term debt ceiling increase. In exchange, Republicans would need to get clear and specific parameters from the White House for discussions and negotiations on ways to reduce the debt and deficit.

This source believes that at the end of the day, enough people in the GOP caucus could be OK with this because the economic implication of breaching the debt limit "scares people." This source also acknowledged that under this scenario, House GOP leaders may have to agree to pass a debt ceiling bill without all Republicans on board, and with Democratic support.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/09/senior-house-gop-source-debt-deal-may-require-democratic-help/

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That means serious talks and movement really have to happen by this coming long weekend.

But multiple GOP sources tell CNN it is hard to nail down a path forward because there are still no direct conversations going on, and the White House will not talk.

No negotiations means no negotiations, fellas.

[frazzled]

1. We've already reduced the debt and deficit

By 50% since Obama took office. Nice try, Republicans, but I doubt you're going to be getting much more in debt reduction than window dressing.

[geek tragedy]

2. They're walking into their own trap.

They raise the ceiling (with their crazies freaking out in the process) with Democratic votes.

During the negotiations, do they really think they can threaten default again? Do they really think anyone would blame Obama if the talks fell apart, after they've been whining about having a serious negotiation?

[Pretzel_Warrior]

3. Exactly. You guys flew too close to the sun and got burned

Lessons learned.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

4. Yep

A lot of it is due to the tax increases earlier this year.

[Rstrstx]

6. Sure there are plenty of things to negotiate to reduce the debt

Lowering the maximum tax bracket to people who make $250K or more, lowering the estate tax, cutting military expenditures....

[libdem4life]

5. The next backpedal is carping over how long the Clean CR will be effective and the terms, et al.

Opening the government is non-negotiable, thanks thus far to the President's steady hand and Reid's back-up support.

[Cha]

7. "...because the economic implication of breaching the debt limit "scares people."

Yeah, I'd say having your lifeline cut is scary.

Damn Liars.. "the White House will not talk"..

[doc03]

8. All that does is kick the can down the road for another

battle in a few more weeks. Fuck them

[geek tragedy]

9. I don't think they're going to want to drag this out. The country

has Republican fatigue.

[roamer65]

10. Time to demand a minimum income tax rate of 50 pct...

...on everyone with incomes above $1M.