NRA raffling off "banned guns"

[Recursion]

https://www.nra.org/bgraffle/

(Note, none of these are banned, or ever have been banned, though some Democrats in Congress and some states are pushing to prohibit new manufacture and import of them.)

From looking, my guess seems to be that these are all either feature-banned or banned by name in the AWB Feinstein was pushing earlier. Though it might be fair to ask why the ban included, say,



but still.

As someone more or less skeptical of a lot of particular gun control measures, I maintain that the biggest threat to the legitimate right to keep and bear arms in the US today remains the NRA...

[mwrguy]

1. They should be banned.

In a sane country they would be.

[Recursion]

2. Why?

Why are we talking about banning anything but handguns if what we actually care about is preventing deaths?

[Gravitycollapse]

3. Even in Australia, a Model 70 would not be banned.

So...yeah maybe you should revise your argument regarding sane countries.

[BainsBane]

5. I don't think that Winchester would be, or is, banned

in the UK or Australia. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[BainsBane]

4. They are assholes

I hate the NRA. We could have reasonable gun policy that afforded for greater public safety while still protecting the right to bear arms if these assholes didn't lie and stir its membership into a frenzy.

[Recursion]

6. I disagree with, say, Feinstein on policy here, but she doesn't make the debate toxic

These assholes do.

And if they keep being such assholes, the eventual result is going to be the actual kind of draconian measures they seem to fear (but which never actually materialize so far) when the public outrage gets too much.

That said, as long as it polls well nationally, I'm more than happy to ride gun control legislation that I'm not ecstatic about to electoral victory...

[BainsBane]

7. We'll be lucky to get a background check bill

The NRA knows full well there will be no assault weapons ban. And even if there were, would that Winchester rifle be included?

[Recursion]

8. You know, I have to wonder if DiFi included that as a bargaining chip

Along with the Remington 700 CDL (really? two wood-finished hunter-gripped bolt-actions among a bunch of plastic-finished pistol-gripped semi-autos?)

I don't think the AWB is a particularly good law but I also don't particularly mind it; it's well within Congress's power to regulate consumer goods. I just think we're going to take electoral heat whatever we do on gun control, and if we're going to take the casualties we might as well actually charge the right hill: handguns.

[BainsBane]

11. There is no reason to take "electoral heat'

The heat would come from the lies spread by the NRA and their lackeys. Polling data show overwhelming support for all of the President's proposed gun control measures, none of which have passed.

[oneshooter]

9. There are those in Castle BansaLot that want to ban pump shotguns.

Why should they not try to ban these?

[BainsBane]

10. So fucking what?

That is no threat to you. You're just making excuses. Someone exercising their free speech right doesn't hurt you. They aren't a multi-billion dollar lobby. No one is taking away your infernal guns.

Is it really that hard to figure out the difference between what a random person on a website saws and the NRA's ability to buy politicians?

[oneshooter]

13. Your a little touchy tonight.

Just pointing out that your friends want to ban the most popular hunting shotgun in the US. No need to get all screamy and hostile about it.

[BainsBane]

14. It's a red herring and you know it

you know it amounts to nothing, but that doesn't stop you from resenting the fact people dare to challenge the ethos of moar guns. I'm sick of hearing the same nonsense day in and day out.
The gun cabal has everything and it's still not enough. They have assured their access to every weapon that means so much more to them than the victims of gun violence; they have successfully ensured felons and drug cartels have ready access to weapons. The country is exactly how they want it, yet it's still not enough. The colossal sense of entitlement means they think they should be able to suppress the speech and thoughts of others. Once again we see the whole argument about rights is complete artifice. The only rights they care about are their access to guns and unfettered profits for gun manufacturers.

You choose to participate on a Democratic site, which means you are going to encounter Democratic ideas. Deal with it.

If you don't want hostility, don't complain because some here have the audacity to express a view not approved of by the gun lobby. Your contention that what a couple of people say here on DU threatens your rights is entirely fabricated, and you know it. If you don't want hostility, cut the crap.

[oneshooter]

19. I have only brought up a fact, one that you don't seem to like.

And where have I " suppress the speech and thoughts of others"?

One other note, a lucid non screaming and polite conversation will allow the free movement of thoughts a mheck of a lot easier than a loud yelling match punctuated by insults.

Just a thought.

[Recursion]

17. What BB said. It's a red herring

And you know that as well as I do.

[Warren DeMontague]

16. Oh, no, what would we do then?

everyone knows that's the most effective defense for a zombie onslaught.

[petronius]

12. Maybe they're being facetious with the Model 70? Or trying to be subtle?

All I can find on the Model 70 (if I understand correctly what I'm reading) is that it was specifically listed as not affected in the old AWB, as well as in Sen. Feinstein's new version...

[Recursion]

15. Banned by name in the recent one

No idea why. It meets none of the feature specifications. My only guess is a bargaining chip.

[petronius]

18. It's mentioned in Sen. Feinstein's proposed bill, but it's in the section titled

"Appendix A: Firearms Exempted by the Assault Weapons Ban of 2013" (The appendix starts on p 23, the Model 70 is listed on p 42)

http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/files/serve/?File_id=9a9270d5-ce4d-49fb-9b2f-69e69f517fb4

http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons

It seems to have been listed the same way in 1994. (Unless I'm completely missing something?)

[aikoaiko]

20. What you have there is a superb sniper rifle, a weapon of war, made to look like a hunting rifle.

Make no mistake, the sole purpose of that rifle is to enable you to conduct mass shootings from any tower in any city.


To be honest, I think the Winchester 70s were on the exemption list -- not the ban list.

[ileus]

21. No one should have to defend a basic human right.

The fact that there is an NRA speaks volumes...there should be no threats to our basic rights.

[spanone]

22. aren't they cute.