I fear that agreeing to a short term raising of the DC will strengthen the repubs hand

[cali]

Here's why. the deal they're proposing is, I understand, for 6 weeks and is contingent upon negotiations on budget cuts. the demands they're making are outrageous and aren't anything the dems should agree to, but there will be additional pressure on them. Going through this once has been bad enough, but going through it again, in the middle of what are the most important weeks for U.S. retailers, would be even worse.

Republicans would almost certainly refuse to pass a CR during these "negotiations", lengthening and worsening the crisis. We've all seen how willing they are to employ the politics of destruction; giving them another tool to do so, just doesn't make any sense.

Of all people, Bill Nelson, made much the same point today.

[jsr]

1. Yep, the timing is important

and they know it.

[cali]

2. and it's not just the timing.

it's the concept of raising the debt ceiling while not passing a CR.

[geek tragedy]

3. So, they vote to do the thing most low information voters oppose (raise debt ceiling) and vote to

continue doing what everyone outside the wingnut base hates, shutting down the government to defund Obamacare.

In other words, Boehner is doing what he doesn't want to do and isn't doing what he wants to do, but is doing what the Teahadist nutjobs and the DCCC, DNC and DSC want him to do.

In the meantime, vulnerable Republicans get saddled with the "they shut down the government" baggage through Christmas.

#winning

[northoftheborder]

4. I don't like this offer, too little, too late, no good.

[DireStrike]

5. Yep. It would be foolish to take such a deal.

I expect it would be accepted anyway though (provided it was for BOTH the shutdown and the debt ceiliing.)

[Broward]

6. What happened to not negotiating around the debt ceiling?

[leftynyc]

13. That's the point

Debt ceiling would be raised unconditionally (that's what the President wants) for only 6 weeks in exchange for continued shutdown and negotiations over the shutdown. I think the deal sucks. Either raise the ceiling for the rest of his term or attach something the pubs would hate.

[Barack_America]

7. That would be why they're proposing it.

It's not as if they've suddenly learned what compromise is.

[geek tragedy]

9. They're proposing it because they have zero strategic sense and Boehner

is being led around by the nose by the wingnuts at redstate.com

Debt ceiling raise: unpopular
Government shutdown: unpopular

Republican plan: vote for both unpopular debt ceiling raise and publicly own unpopular government shutdown.

[Junkdrawer]

8. Not raising the debt ceiling hurts the 99% AND Wall Street...

So THAT has to be fixed.

Partial shut down? Think of it as a Strike where the Union lets Management have all workers they deem essential cross the picket lines.

[cali]

10. good point.

[florida08]

11. This is not good for my bp

White House spokesman Jay Carney said that Obama "would likely sign" a clean bill increasing the debt cap but that the president also wants Republicans to reopen the government. He did not rule out Obama agreeing to Boehner's debt ceiling proposal if the government remains closed, but the White House made no promises that Obama would hold negotiations under those circumstances.

http://news.yahoo.com/boehner-offers-debt-extension-wh-says-likely-ok-172801858--finance.html

[BluegrassStateBlues]

12. I have posted this in several threads, but I want to make sure everyone sees it

Taegan Goddard @politicalwire
Word is that Senate Republicans may go against the House and attached a clean CR to the debt limit bill to reopen the government

If not just a rumor, it will be a thing of beauty.

[cthulu2016]

14. Yes, it will, but it is not optional

As opposed to what? We cannot very well threaten default if they don't reopen the government.

So we are losing leverage we never had. The republicans put it (debt limit pressure) on themselves and are free to take it off themselves.

That said, if the Senate passed a debt limit extension as part of a clean CR it would be an interesting legislative move.

But Obama cannot veto a clean debt limit extension, and at the end of the day the Senate cannot refuse to pass one.

[cali]

15. of course it's optional.

dems aren't threatening default. that would be republicans. and no, you're wrong about losing leverage we never had. I described the leverage dems would lose in the OP.

[NoOneMan]

16. America's political system is becoming stupid

And no, I don't think this point deserves to be explained