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Denninmi

(6,581 posts)
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 04:21 PM Oct 2013

I have a mental health issue. Ok, call it mental illness if you like. That doesn't mean that ...

... it doesn't mean a lot of things. It doesn't mean that I'm a bad guy. It doesn't mean that I'm immoral, or that it's some kind of "punishment from God for your sins." It doesn't mean that I'm dysfunctional in real life, in society. It certainly doesn't that mean I'm a danger to anyone with the possible exception of myself under the worst of circumstances, although honestly I am more in control and at peace with that issue, it was something done out of desperation - I grew up a lot, what can I say. It doesn't mean I need to be spoken down to, treated like a child, or treated like I can't make informed rational decisions about life matters big or small. It doesn't mean I can't hear people when they make comments. It doesn't mean I deserve to be excluded or isolated or ignored. It doesn't mean I can't live next door to you, you will never know any of this unless I choose to tell you, otherwise, I'm just the guy next door. It doesn't mean I can't do any of the things anyone else in this society does. It certainly doesn't mean that I fit the stereotypical image among the Teahadist set that I, like many other groups, am a ne'er do well slacker bucking for a handout from the evil gubmint.

It sure as Hell doesn't mean I deserve to painted with a broad brush and lumped together in anyone's minds with seriously disturbed people like Adam Lanza or Jared Loughner or James Holmes or Ariel Castro or the woman who died the other day in DC after the altercations at the WH and the Capitol. Because I am nothing like them, I have a radically different medical mental health diagnosis and issues than any of them, and to think that my problem, PTSD, is like their problems is to say that Lung Cancer and Myeloid Leukemia are the same condition. This has happened, although it's mainly a knee-jerk reaction to a tragedy, it tends to go away, and it's only a handful who say things like this.

Bluntly, in the past 14 months, I received death threats from a client, which caused essentially a "nervous breakdown" although the current term in use is "to be in crisis" I guess. That brought up extreme memories of a childhood with an extremely abusive and violent father. I went to a doctor who totally misdiagnosed me and gave me a completely inappropriate medication. Who also made me go to a psychiatric day hospital program essentially against my will, and I was afraid to say "no". Because of that, my self esteem crashed, I thought my life would be over, that I could never recover from this, and I tried to kill myself one morning. Obviously didn't work. Had a big wake up call in the hospital program, I realized I had to fight for myself. I also realized, slowly, that what I had been told about what was wrong with me was ... wrong, very very wrong. And I came to investigate the Dr, and found out she had serious issues of competency. As well as serious issues of having a miserable, cruel, dictatorial personality and absolutely no bedside manner. So, I did all of that, I survived it, I've tried to pick up the pieces of my life to the best of my ability. I have struggled constantly with the concept of stigma, I have obsessed about people IRL discovering this information. I have practiced self-stigma to the extreme, so much so that I have wished at times I had gone through with ending it. I found a psychiatrist who is the complete opposite of the first one, a joy to work with. I see a therapist weekly. I take good old fashioned cheap generic Prozac, it's working now. I have good days and bad days. I work hard now to improve my health, physical and mental. None of this is a secret in the online community known as DU, especially on a handful of select forums/groups. And, I have had great supporters, a few detractors,and a few haters who have hurt me.

The bottom line, though, in the real world, I am as functional, if not more so, than I ever was. I work full time, take care of a house, a dog, an elderly mother with health problems, I cook and clean, cut my lawn and pay my taxes, I do everything anyone else in suburban America does. But, I have felt isolated, "different", "other" and alone because I am "the crazy guy". In a land of 2 second soundbites passing for in-depth coverage, the uninformed wouldn't know the difference between PTSD versus Schizophrenia versus Personality Disorders versus Unipolar Depression -- they lump them, and the people who have them, all together into a broad category, "the crazies", "the psychos", "the nuts." Alas, there are a lot of uniformed people out there, as we all know, and a lot of stupidity in America, which explains things like the Tea Party in the first place. So, I guess mental health issues wouldn't be any different.

I have a new outlook on the issue, now. There is a favorite song of mine, "Everybody's Broken" by Bon Jovi, "It's ok to be a little broken, everybody's broken in this life". That is true, very few people go through life without problems, and very few of us are completely "adjusted" psychologically all the way around, we all have quirks and issues, because we are human. I am very, very slowly IRL telling a tiny handful of people what I have shared here, only those I feel I can trust without being judgemental, without reacting as if I were radioactive, without leaving me. And, to date, of the few people I have trusted, the reaction has been, well, outstanding, nothing but kindness and support, I think it has actually brought us closer together.

Yet, in America, the mentally ill are still open season. Politically, a football to be tossed around in the debate over guns, over health care, over civil rights and responsibilities versus public safety. Socially, the mentally ill are one of the few groups that it's still socially acceptable to mock, to deride, to make fun of. In terms of public health policy, we are the orphan child, lip service is paid to the need for increased funding, treatment, but in real terms it seems to be cut, not increased, and it is very , very hard for those without private insurance and ability to pay to get adequate treatment, often any treatment. There is still discrimination in housing, employment. On a personal level, these issues can tear families apart, cause people to lose relationships, to end up isolated, even "shunned" so to speak.

I am not willing to accept any of that for myself. Yes, I have problems, I struggle. I'm trying to deal with them. Again, unless I choose to tell you, you won't have a clue that I have a mental health issue. I didn't ask for this, I certainly don't want it, but it is what it is, I will deal with it to the best of my ability.

Mostly, though, I wrote this post for one reason. I AM SICK OF BEING ASHAMED. I felt so much shame and guilt, like I didn't even belong in public among the "normal" people. Like I wasn't good enough. Like I had done something horribly wrong. Like I was bad, evil even. And, I beat myself up for a year with all of this, feeling lower than low. And, I know none of this is true, intellectually, but emotionally it's hard to accept that I am still a good person, even though I have a mental illness, that I still have worth and value in society, that people can still accept, like, and maybe even love me. That I still belong. If I can do this to myself, self-stigmatize, self-doubt, self-loathe, I understand how easy it can be for others to NOT understand about mental illness and what people who have it struggle with, and struggle against.

Because that is all I am asking for, a little kindness, a little understanding, acceptance of the fact that people such as myself with a mental health issue still belong. We are not "other" -- we are you, part of humanity. Think about it.

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I have a mental health issue. Ok, call it mental illness if you like. That doesn't mean that ... (Original Post) Denninmi Oct 2013 OP
Denn, so many people here at DU love you and respect you grasswire Oct 2013 #1
Thank you. Denninmi Oct 2013 #2
let me second that. I have learned much from you. rurallib Oct 2013 #15
I hug you, Denninmi. I had depression so bad following the roguevalley Oct 2013 #20
k&r Liberal_in_LA Oct 2013 #3
Good things and thoughts for you! get the red out Oct 2013 #4
Extraordinary insight and perceptiveness! raging moderate Oct 2013 #5
You have my admiration and support Cirque du So-What Oct 2013 #6
Everyone is, indeed, broken. randome Oct 2013 #7
I've always thought that if you gathered a large group of people in a large circle and had... BlueJazz Oct 2013 #8
You do not deserve to be treated like shit by anyone. a la izquierda Oct 2013 #9
Don't be afraid. I was for many years. xfundy Oct 2013 #27
All my admiration and support Yo_Mama Oct 2013 #10
Tears. For you and others like you and the six generations in my own family who have lived jwirr Oct 2013 #11
Whatever else you may be Demobrat Oct 2013 #12
You have my sincere admiration. Wish you were a neighbor. grantcart Oct 2013 #13
You belong on DU. I have my own issues. AAO Oct 2013 #14
Hang in there. ctsnowman Oct 2013 #16
Why wouldn't we do this to ourselves? We are indeed fully indoctrinated members of humanity. HereSince1628 Oct 2013 #17
IMO (and as a therapist) the main reason people who have mental illnesses are disrespected is nolabear Oct 2013 #18
K and R number 40! Lady Freedom Returns Oct 2013 #19
You are so very eloquent and heartfelt. When I think of what runs in my own family... Hekate Oct 2013 #21
(((((((Denninmi))))))) TeeYiYi Oct 2013 #22
I've personally always had far greater respect IrishAyes Oct 2013 #23
You are speaking up! mecherosegarden Oct 2013 #24
Hi Friend Tace Oct 2013 #25
I hear you and empathize. Completely. xfundy Oct 2013 #26
What a great post. BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #28
k&r idwiyo Oct 2013 #29
I'm crazy too Prophet 451 Oct 2013 #30
I can relate Omnith Oct 2013 #31
Good post Babel_17 Oct 2013 #32

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
1. Denn, so many people here at DU love you and respect you
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 04:25 PM
Oct 2013

Your openness has enlightened many a discussion.

Thank you.

And how's that kitty?

Denninmi

(6,581 posts)
2. Thank you.
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 04:26 PM
Oct 2013

Um, still hungry, and still wants in.

I will post about that in the DU L. Thanks! :smile:

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
20. I hug you, Denninmi. I had depression so bad following the
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 07:11 PM
Oct 2013

death of my parents I actually died. I will never forget the bottom of the well looking up. There is light there. I hope you are well and have oceans of happiness. Everyone deserves it. You do too. Don't let the opinions and actions of others to define who you are. You already know. Hugs, honey. We are all one in the end.

get the red out

(13,468 posts)
4. Good things and thoughts for you!
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 04:32 PM
Oct 2013

I identify, only in recent years have I sought meaningful help for my "problems" which were horribly misdiagnosed when I was young, resulting in being drugged out of my mind by incompetent Doctors, I left all care after going through a personal hell and went without help for 18 years. Three years ago I decided to get help and to really get diagnosed. I suffer from General Anxiety, OCD, and Depression. Getting real help from professionals who talk to me like I am a full human being is a far cry from what I got before, which was less consideration for my sentience than the Vet gives my dog.

I battle with how I see myself all the time, but it is getting better. I get upset when all people with illnesses such as ours are thought to be incompetent. I was very good for many years of playing the part expected of my while being a total wreck inside. A person will do a lot to survive and have some semblance of a normal life.

The stigma has to go. I see it happening in small steps. People seem to be more open about depression at least. This is a hard thing to walk through, but I think it is getting better. Being in the company of all the folks that the baggers hate is being in a very large, and decent group IMO. Imagine how much constant fear it takes to fall for the lines of bull spread by the likes of Rand Paul (I am a Kentuckian!)?

I wish you well on your walk Denninmi.

raging moderate

(4,311 posts)
5. Extraordinary insight and perceptiveness!
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 04:33 PM
Oct 2013

One of the best pieces I have seen. I would like to see this published where more people would read it. It would surely increase understanding among the people who have not struggled with traumatic childhoods and/or other emotional traumas.

Thank you!

Cirque du So-What

(25,989 posts)
6. You have my admiration and support
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 04:38 PM
Oct 2013

and while my opinion doesn't count for much when compared to the likes of an august body such as the American Psychiatric Society, I consider those who mock or deride mental health issues as having issues of their own. Whether their insensitivity gets classified as a mental illness, a personality disorder, a character flaw, or a moral shortcoming - whatever - they earn a spot on my persona non grata list when they exhibit that cruelty in my presence.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
7. Everyone is, indeed, broken.
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 04:38 PM
Oct 2013

It's a sign of strength, IMO, to overlook that in others and deal with them on an individual basis.

Good post.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
8. I've always thought that if you gathered a large group of people in a large circle and had...
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 05:14 PM
Oct 2013

...these same people throw all their hang-ups and mental issues into a pile right in the center of the circle, everybody would be fighting to get back their own hang-ups and issues.

I'm Bi-polar but taking a small bit of medicine each day helps me "Smooth out" the rough spots.

You sound like a wonderful, caring person and have no reason to be ashamed of yourself.
I'm also a Physicist and believe me, EVERYTHING is relative...

a la izquierda

(11,797 posts)
9. You do not deserve to be treated like shit by anyone.
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 05:18 PM
Oct 2013

Not here, not at work, not anywhere in this life.

I too have a mental illness. I have really severe anxiety (that's been diagnosed) and likely depression (undiagnosed). I need to see a psychiatrist. Desperately. I'm pretty much afraid to go, though.

ETA: I've had people I should be happy, because I have it all. Um, no. I do not. I have severe inner demons. I would give everything away to get rid of them.

xfundy

(5,105 posts)
27. Don't be afraid. I was for many years.
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 10:59 PM
Oct 2013

And all those years of waiting just made it worse.

Find a doc that won't be judgmental, use a fake name and ID if you have to, but it only grows if you ignore it.

I know this for a fact.

Best to you.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
10. All my admiration and support
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 05:22 PM
Oct 2013

I don't think you should feel ashamed at all. Most mental illness has some physical component, and things that happened to you when you were a child, and defenseless, certainly do have consequences as an adult. I am happy that you found reasonable psychiatric help for that part of it.

Of course you belong. You seem much saner than many people who have never had a mental illness.

Congratulations for talking about your experiences and how you are coping. I think you should continue to do so - if you had known more in the beginning you might have found useful help sooner.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
11. Tears. For you and others like you and the six generations in my own family who have lived
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 05:25 PM
Oct 2013

with these labels. Some of us are obvious while the others can be spotted only by us older ones who have lived through at least five of those generations. One thing we spend a lot of time with is telling the ones who are more severe THAT THERE IS NO REASON TO BE ASHAMED. This a disease like any other disease.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
17. Why wouldn't we do this to ourselves? We are indeed fully indoctrinated members of humanity.
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 06:39 PM
Oct 2013

With all the baggage that goes along with it...

We've had pretty much all the same socialization on this topic.

nolabear

(41,991 posts)
18. IMO (and as a therapist) the main reason people who have mental illnesses are disrespected is
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 06:54 PM
Oct 2013

that, as you said, "we are all broken". There's nothing new under the sun, and we all, every single one of us, has the capacity to feel, in some form, what those who feel it in a larger or purer form suffer from. The human mind (and body, for they are one) can only do so many things. We suffer, and we try not to. We protect ourselves, we love, we lust, we fear death. Our brains get washed in the same neurochemical wash, but some of us have, as a result of either chance of biology or result of trauma, a wash we can't easily live with.

And that scares the crap out of us...not that the "mentally ill" are different, but that they're not. So we have to engage in a big old job of pretending that it's on the other side of a nonexistent divide. That too is understandable, but as with most emotional concerns, the fear is bigger than the actual reality.

Denninmi, some of the finest, most intelligent, most compelling and interesting people I have ever known have dealt with a mental illness. So have some of the biggest assholes. As one of the giants in the field, Harry Stack Sullivan said, "We are all simply more human than otherwise."

It's a pleasure knowing you.

Hekate

(90,842 posts)
21. You are so very eloquent and heartfelt. When I think of what runs in my own family...
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 07:11 PM
Oct 2013

... though different, I can testify to levels of function/dysfunction and days of getting the job done/enduring quiet misery/being ashamed to tell others.

It takes great courage for some just to put one foot in front of the other, and you have that courage. Thank you for sharing your struggle -- I think it will help someone else today.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
23. I've personally always had far greater respect
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 07:16 PM
Oct 2013

for those who struggle against huge odds and yet remain decent human beings, than the Supreme Jerks who it's easy to suspect could do a whole lot better if they wanted. By the latter I mean people who know enough to pretend decency where it does them some good but then turn around and savage those they see as vulnerable.

Case in point: one of my best friends IRL is schizophrenic as all get out. She handles her terrifying delusions by guaging the aspect of those around her. "If nobody else seems to notice that snake on their head or the tiger growling at their side, I figure it's just me and my imagination, not real at all; so I don't worry." But here's the funny thing: she thinks I'm brave! When she's got me beat by a country mile.

Quite possibly, though for different reasons, so do you.

mecherosegarden

(745 posts)
24. You are speaking up!
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 07:29 PM
Oct 2013

You should be proud of yourself. Between lines, I read of somebody who can stand up for himself-or herself, who can speak up. Remember, you, and only you, have the control on how you react to other people's behavior but you can't control their behavior. You have the key. Do not allow anyone to undermine you, to put you down. Stay strong! Having a mental illness is nothing to be ashamed of. Why is that different than having other type of health issues? "Most people receive nothing but negatives. If you lead by being positive, you'll stand out, make an impact and be remembered. . ~ Craig Ballantyne " You made an impact, at least on me , and I will remember your post.

Love and Shine,

Tace

(6,800 posts)
25. Hi Friend
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 09:54 PM
Oct 2013

Fear not. You are welcome.

I won't bore you with my history. But, let me assure you that I can understand what you are saying.

You are the victim of abuse.

You are a good person asking "why was I abused?"

I'll give you a short answer based on my experience: Because others viewed you as available to abuse.

It's really that simple.

Best to you as you sort this out, yet you've got to stop apologizing for being a victim.

No apologies necessary. --Tace



xfundy

(5,105 posts)
26. I hear you and empathize. Completely.
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 10:56 PM
Oct 2013

Similar diagnosis, Major Depressive Disorder, GAD. It sucks, and a member of my family used the diagnosis against me to alienate me from the family and claim that I was "dangerous." Even tried to have me arrested on several occasions using that claim.

Then I found out about some criminal activity, ie, mailing stolen items across state lines. Got lots of proof, gathering more, and hope to return the "favor."

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
30. I'm crazy too
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 12:25 AM
Oct 2013

I have MDD, anxiety issues, sometimes I hear whispers in teh walls and get what I call "visions". I take a cocktail of psychotropic meds. Some days I'm functional, some days I'm not. All I can say is that I'm here with you.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
32. Good post
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 02:23 PM
Oct 2013

It's nice that now at least you're starting to find the right support mechanisms. Thanks for your post, it was uplifting.

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