Nice skyline, Porsche.

[rug]

[NuclearDem]

1. Someone in marketing at Porsche wasn't thinking clearly.

[morningfog]

4. But it was clearly intentional. I don't see how it couldn't have been.

[Gravitycollapse]

5. Who in their right mind would intentionally create that ad?

[Junkdrawer]

7. Running away from the Apocalypse...fast...

interesting appeal to the wealthy....

[krispos42]

2. I don't get it.

Help?

[Gravitycollapse]

3. The 911 series is referred to as the "Porsche Nine Eleven"

Not exactly the best thing to superimpose on the New York skyline.

[krispos42]

8. I'm aware of that

I just didn't see what the issue was. it's a common practice to make ads regional. There's probably one for D.C. and Chicago and L.A. and Boston and San Francisco and San Diego and Miami.

[flvegan]

13. Too soon?

At what point do we lay waste to Hitler's car for the people, the VW Beetle? Or is that too soon as well?

Poutrage on the part of the OP. Hey, if you're in one of the 5 boroughs, don't dial 911 for trouble because, well...you know.

[Gravitycollapse]

18. When you call 911 do they say "nine eleven, what is your emergency?"

No, because it's pronounced nine one one.

Get a group of Americans together and ask what the first thing is they think of after hearing "nine eleven." I would bet most, if not all, think of the attacks. Now put that "nine eleven" on the NY skyline.

The VW was only loosely associated with the Third Reich. Consider the swastika. Do you think it would be a good idea to start placing swastikas in ads because they're referring to prosperity (even the original reversed version)? Somehow I don't think that would go over well.

[flvegan]

23. So 50 years of history is erased because some Americans are idiots?

And knee-jerk their brain to shut down as to what nine-eleven is/means? Should we publicly stone anyone driving a 911? Ban them from the roads, I guess. Terrorists, I'm sure.

Porsche 911 is an icon, and not one that should be eliminated because some shitbag Texas moron named George Bush couldn't handle his office.

[Gravitycollapse]

28. I'm pretty sure the deadliest terrorist attack in modern human history is pretty iconic.

I am a huge car/motorcycle person. I am especially a fan of the 911. But if someone asked me what I thought of when I looked at a picture of the New York skyline and then at the word "nine-eleven," I would without hesitation answer the 9/11 attacks every single time.

[flvegan]

34. So, knee-jerk then?

Regardless, your take on the Beetle is awesomely laughable for a "huge car/motorcycle person"

[Gravitycollapse]

37. I've always associated the Beetle moreso with Ferdinand Porsche than with Hitler.

Some might disagree and I don't fault them for that. But it is more removed from the Third Reich than the swastika. And the swastika was around LOOOOONG before the Third Reich.

Like I've said in other posts, the 911 ad doesn't anger me. I just don't think it's a very effective ad. You're not going to sell cars by making viewers think of the 9/11 attacks. That just seems like bad business.

[flvegan]

45. No?

Post #3 and #5 might not back that up.

As one of the longest standing successful cars for sale, I'm sure that Porsche shares your concern. What, 50 years? Rubbish. Only slightly longer than the Mustang. Only a decade shy of the Corvette. But yeah, you run with that. But then as a massive car person, you knew that.

[rug]

6. These bloodless scum are once again blinded to all except impending profits.

http://www.porsche.com/all/usa/911/

[Gravitycollapse]

9. I'm actually pretty sure the ad is fake.

[rug]

11. It's not.

Advertising Agency: Fred&Farid, Shanghai, China

http://adsoftheworld.com/media/print/porsche_911_away_4?size=original

[rrneck]

20. The car is so fast they couldn't get a good picture of it. nt

[krispos42]

25. There is outrage of some kind

I guess Porche shouldn't sell the 911 within 100 miles of Manhattan or something.

[rrneck]

29. I expect so.

It was a 911 long before there was a "911", and as far as I'm concerned it's been long enough to not sweat it. Hey, we kicked the shit out of two countries and killed Osama already, I think we got our pound of flesh.

[Gravitycollapse]

10. I'm pretty sure this is a fake advertisement. It exists nowhere other than on Imgur.

And if I've learned anything from being on Imgur, it's that half the shit on there is fake. This looks like the work of somebody at 9gag or 4chan.

[rug]

12. Advertising Agency: Fred&Farid, Shanghai, China

[Gravitycollapse]

14. Wow...

[Junkdrawer]

16. nope

http://www.adweek.com/adfreak/print-ads-just-cant-keep-porsche-911-152700

[flvegan]

15. What are we pissed about on this one rug, please?

Be clear, would you.

[rug]

17. I wouldn't say we, flvegan.

In any event, this is an example of crass obtuseness, not poutrage.

[flvegan]

19. So "be clear" was lost on you?

[rug]

26. The clarity isn't lost on me.

Here:

1) The goal is to peddle an overpriced luxury toy to the overwealthy elite.

2) NYC is an international charm for the overwealthy elite.

3) Show the NYC skyline with the Porsche gliding into it.

4) Slap on the name of the new series, 911.

5) Step back and admire the work.

6) Wait, the skyline doesn't look right, something's missing.

7) Fuck it.

[flvegan]

31. Okay

So nothing but your opinion and something about a "new series" called the 911. Really? No, really. The 911 is a "new series" for Porsche?

[rug]

32. Read what Porsche is peddling it as.

http://www.porsche.com/all/usa/911/

[flvegan]

38. I clicked your link.

I see "the new 911" and "heritage" and "community/news"

Where should I go from there, rug? Enlighten me as to what Porsche is doing...is it subliminal? Am I missing it?

[rug]

40. Nothing subliminal about it.

Porsche clearly thinks this mobile symbol of theft is something "new".

New enough to roll out a tone deaf ad about.

[Gravitycollapse]

42. So it seems your real quarrel is with the concept of private property, not the ad.

In that context, many might find your OP disingenuous, exploitive even.

[rug]

43. A Porsche is not a toothbrush.

[Gravitycollapse]

44. I should know as I used to own one. You are right. It was not a toothbrush.

Although many Porsche purists don't consider the 914 a true Porsche.

[rug]

46. What happened to it?

[Gravitycollapse]

48. I couldn't afford the upkeep. It was in serious need of rust repair.

And the wiring was traditional German of 40 years ago. In other words, it was a fucking nightmare.

[flvegan]

52. For a time, Ferrari purists didn't consider the Dino.

You're welcome.

[flvegan]

47. Wait..."mobile symbol of theft"

Oh, you must read me in on that, rug. I am truly intrigued.

[rug]

49. I doubt that, flvegan.

Hurry, the new ones are only $83,000. Deliciously superfluous and impractical. The ads may drive the price up.

I am truly intrigued by your rationale for this.

[Gravitycollapse]

50. Yes, they are symbols of money and greed. They are also very fun to drive.

The realities are mutually compatible.

I mean, you're putting out some pretty radical rhetoric. Which is fine. But I'm nearly certain you're doing it on a privately owned computer and thus your rhetoric becomes a tad problematic.

[rug]

53. A laptop is not a Porsche either.

If you have the time look up what Hegel wrote about quantity and quality. One of the classic red-baiting tactics was to equate the ownership of a tootbrush and a jacket with ownership of a factory - or a Porsche.

[dionysus]

58. you can't red bait someone with a marx avatar.. just sayin...

[Gravitycollapse]

65. And the ownership of the factory is ownership of the means of production.

Whereas the ownership of a Porsche is kind of like owning one gigantic, super expensive toothbrush.

So, there's that difference.

[rug]

67. Yes there is that difference.

But one who is close to the means of production is more likely to own a Porsche while one further away is more likely to own a toothbrush. It may be an electric one though.

[Gravitycollapse]

68. But that's not the comparison you attempted to make.

You wished to equate the Porsche with the factory. Which is not the point of the argument of the toothbrush and the factory.

The toothbrush is the product. The factory is the means of production.

An accurate comparison would be the Porsche factory.

[flvegan]

51. So is it now the price?

Come on rug, take a stand. What's your beef? Say it loud and proud!

If you really want my rationale for an $83k price tag (you're not, it's a deflection) go drive one. Maybe after that your "deliciously superfluous and impractical" OPINION subsides and we can get back to the details.

[rug]

56. It is the price, it is the purpose, it is the concentration of resources for a select market.

For someone who eschews the righteousness of cheeseburgers I'd love to see your defense of Porsches.

Come on, flvegan, this is your second chance to let it hang out.

BTW, I can happily discuss the amazing technology of drones and the precision of their killing. I'm sure they're worth every penny. But that's not really the point, is it?

[flvegan]

63. My defense of Porsche?

I've only been factual. Porsche has no interest in my defense, nor should they. I don't serve at the behest of the Bar. I'm flattered at the idea that a self-professed attorney (last I checked, that was you, my apologies if I have that wrong) would "love to see" that defense regardless of whatever stupidity garnered "the righteousness of cheeseburgers" in the post. What defense would you like to see, lawyer? Your talk of drones, notwithstanding. Be gentle, non-lawyer here.

Specifically, you want me to defend the price it would seem. Is that it?

[rug]

66. In two tries you've produced this - como se dice? - blather.

I think I'll stem this extraneous spewing right now.

You won't have a third try.

[flvegan]

70. You are welcome to your opinion.

And losing the argument. Deal with it.

res judicata. Blow the dust off your law degree and look it up.

[rug]

73. Come back with a guardian ad litem.

Look it up.

[flvegan]

74. For what?

Be specific.

[rug]

76. I'll do better. I'll give you the definition.

guardian ad litem

n. a person appointed by the court only to take legal action on behalf of a minor or an adult not able to handle his/her own affairs.

http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=844

I suggest this after reading your posts. They really are not responsive.

[flvegan]

77. So you think

I need a GAL. Has a court action been filed, a complaint I need to answer, rug? You're the attorney giving advice here.

Or is this the only Latin you have in response? Which is pathetic.

[Gravitycollapse]

39. They aren't really peddling. The 911 is one of the greatest cars ever made.

The 911 is the quintessential sports car.

[rug]

41. If they're advertising it, they're peddling it.

[DesertFlower]

54. my late husband owned a porsche 911.

it was his dream car. he worked hard all his life and at age 62 he was able to buy one a year old. i sold it after he passed. i wish he would have had a few more years to enjoy it. he passed when he was 64.

that being said we were not overwealthy elite. i drive a '05 mazda miata.

[rug]

55. My condolences. I'm sure he enjoyed it.

[flvegan]

57. The fruits of the "bloodless scum" you previously spoke of, right?

Did you call them terrorists yet? I mean, the line in the sand should almost certainly be a car that for better or worse shared digits with a tragic day in American history.

God forbid anyone attack us on March 8th or the 28th, because then Ferrari is in the wind with Tom Selleck, right rug?

[rug]

60. Why don't you just answer the question upstream instead of pissing on this subthread?

I don't have political arguments when it concerns someone's death. Maybe you shouldn't either.

[flvegan]

64. What question? Be specific, please.

[DesertFlower]

72. thank you. he did enjoy it.

[ScreamingMeemie]

21. I think there comes a time that we, the American people, should (must really)

move on.

No, the first thing I think of when I hear nine-eleven is no longer that day (thank heavens that Republicans have stopped campaigning on it).

I was raised to move forward through adversity (it's why I'm still here and "thanks Dad!&quot and live free or die.

This here is just a vehicle advertisement to me. For a car I'm not particularly fond of but that's pretty much it.

[Gravitycollapse]

22. I guess each person has a different concept of it. But I will probably forever know nine eleven...

As the 9/11 attacks. Then again, I was very young when they happened and I grew up in the post 9/11 world.

[ScreamingMeemie]

27. You're also in a post-Pearl Harbor world, a post-Columbine world...

Live free or die. We learn from these things and move on. Move on and experience the freedom this country offers. You can never forget, but dear God, don't make it such a big part of your life. Don't get upset over a car ad that is just a car in front of a cityscape.

[Gravitycollapse]

30. I'm not particularly upset. I just think it's a bad advertisement.

I was 11 years old when 9/11 happened. Pearl Harbor happened nearly 50 years before I was born. If I was 11 years old at the time, I would probably have learned to associate "Pearl Harbor" with the Japanese attacks.

[ScreamingMeemie]

33. I think it's a fine advertisement. I was 31 years old that day with an 11 year old

daughter and a 3 year old son. That is beside the point. I highly doubt, if you were 11 at the time of Pearl Harbor...it would be at the forefront of your mind for 12 years. I'm sorry, but this is just an ad.

I'm not trying to mean. I'm being reasonable. America NEEDS to move on. Especially those of us who were not at Ground Zero that day. And I thought we had. The majority of my acquaintances have. And I am grateful for that. Because too many are using it for the wrong reasons.

[Gravitycollapse]

35. I don't understand how "moving on" means forgetting an iconic date.

Like I said, I'm not upset by the advertisement. It doesn't anger me.

I don't think of the Porsche 911 and automatically think of 9/11. But I do when it is superimposed on the New York skyline.

[ScreamingMeemie]

36. Moving on means not getting upset over

a car ad. Theres no connection there and if someone sees one, yes, they need to move on.

[alarimer]

82. That "iconic date" means something entirely different to people in Chile

Sept. 11, 1973 was the day Pinochet overthrew Allende. Some pretty horrific events followed for decades, including the deaths and disappearances of thousands, probably more than actually died in NY that day. So how do you think Chileans feel about New Yorkers (and it is mostly them, because the rest of us have mostly moved on) co-opting that date?

Americans are so self-centered. We think the whole world revolves around us and guess what, it actually doesn't.

[Gravitycollapse]

83. Are you seriously trying to argue that New Yorkers chose to co-opt that date?

Are you fucking kidding me?

The photo is a picture of New York. How is discussing that being self-centered? Did you put one single iota of thought into that post before you posted it?

[alarimer]

80. That car (and it's name) has been around for 40 years or more.

Long before the attacks. Looks like they're just trying to take back the name. Why shouldn't they?

When are we going to move on? A whole world exists outside of NYC. A world that has long since moved on and has bigger things to worry about.

What's next? Is NY going to ask Porsche to change the name of their iconic car?

It didn't even register that it was NY in the ad. It could have been any skyline as far as I am concerned. I barely noticed.

[ScreamingMeemie]

81. Thank you alarimer...

I didn't either. But then, the skylines I am most familiar with are Milwaukee, Detroit, and now Houston.

[TreasonousBastard]

24. I don't think anyone in Shanghai was thinking the way we do about NYC and 911...

Here's four with the same theme, and it got some kind of award because, aside from skyline (with the Twin Towers still standing) it's a great idea.

Methinks this one will bite the dust and another will take its place.

http://adland.tv/ooh/porsche-away-china

[LittleBlue]

59. Meh

Had to read down the thread to even know what the OP is talking about.

I rate this a 2/10 "meh"

[rug]

61. Lol, I like your scale.

[LittleBlue]

85. It's alright

Maybe if I lived in NYC or experienced 9/11 personally, I'd have seen it.

[petronius]

62. I stared at it for a while - I didn't get the problem

All I could come up with was:

1) it would be nice to be able to see the car, and
2) with the sun washing everything out, that's a pic I would have deleted.

[Electric Monk]

69. Reminds me a little of Starbucks' "Collapse Into Cool" ad campaign

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/cool.asp

[rug]

71. Huh, I hadn't seen that.

[ScreamingMeemie]

84. That was when I realized that the nation was filled with idiots...

[XemaSab]

75. If even SOME people look at the ad and think of the terrorist attacks

it's a bad ad.

Nobody wants to buy something that reminds them of what is likely the worst day in American history. (Especially when you consider the ongoing war on terror, invasion of privacy, teabagger, war in Afghanistan, Iraq clusterfuck, debt limit dog-and-pony-show that came out of it.)

One would expect that Porsche would already be sensitive with regards to the marketing of that particular model... but apparently one would be wrong.

[Monk06]

78. I read it as a stealth reference to the Nissan R35. The Skyline reference is a dead give away.

[cui bono]

79. Doesn't bother me.

The 911 series has been around for a long, long time. It's not like they just came up with that name and then made the ad. What are they supposed to do, never have an ad with a NYC skyline in it? Why? It's been over 10 years now. How long is enough time to wait? Or should they retire what is possibly their signature model because of the unfortunate date of the terrorist attack?

If you want to connect your car to NYC using the skyline is certainly the way to do it. You don't want a shot of it sitting in traffic.

I don't believe they are trying to make a statement with it, they're not showing a skyline at the time of the attack.

[Vashta Nerada]

86. I'm tired of the country living in the past.

9/11 happened 12 years ago. When is it time to move on?