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cali

(114,904 posts)
Sun Oct 13, 2013, 06:03 AM Oct 2013

Wow! Conservative Douthat BLASTS House repukes comparing them to Kurtz in "Apocalypse Now"

(and yes, I know Kurtz was originally a Conrad character)

For those not familiar with him, Douthat is a conservative op-ed writer for the NYT and frequently a douche.

The Kurtz Republicans

“THEY told me,” Martin Sheen’s Willard says to Marlon Brando’s Kurtz in “Apocalypse Now,” at the end of a long journey up the river, “that you had gone totally insane, and that your methods were unsound.”


His baldness bathed in gold, his body pooled in shadow, Kurtz murmurs: “Are my methods unsound?”

And Willard — filthy, hollow-eyed, stunned by what he’s seen — replies: “I don’t see any method at all, sir.”

This is basically how reasonable people should feel about the recent conduct of the House Republicans.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/13/opinion/sunday/douthat-the-kurtz-republicans.html

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Wow! Conservative Douthat BLASTS House repukes comparing them to Kurtz in "Apocalypse Now" (Original Post) cali Oct 2013 OP
Man, they lost Ross Asshat. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #1
and they lost the asshat in spectacular fashion. cali Oct 2013 #2
Yes. Things have taken a turn such that Turbineguy Oct 2013 #3
stop that! stop making me snort my coffee cali Oct 2013 #4
Remember that period in the Bush Admin Turbineguy Oct 2013 #5
lol. no. must be a lapse in my memory. cali Oct 2013 #6
Yeah, if Goebbles couldn't make it....nt PCIntern Oct 2013 #18
heart of darkness... truebluegreen Oct 2013 #7
I like this comparison. Now will it have the same ending as the movie? MarchemintotheSea Oct 2013 #8
If they've lost Ross Douchehat, they've lost Middle Right Wing Amerikkka MrScorpio Oct 2013 #9
k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #10
good burn! eShirl Oct 2013 #11
It's an ozone op-ed! cali Oct 2013 #12
Ross Douchehat got the insanity part right. Snake Plissken Oct 2013 #13
Just "frequently"? RedSpartan Oct 2013 #14
Chances are that the people he calls out Skidmore Oct 2013 #15
Audience mgardener Oct 2013 #16
true, but the story will be disseminated more broadly cali Oct 2013 #17
This part was eye-opening coming from him BumRushDaShow Oct 2013 #19
"The horror, the horror" Javaman Oct 2013 #20

Turbineguy

(37,332 posts)
3. Yes. Things have taken a turn such that
Sun Oct 13, 2013, 06:29 AM
Oct 2013

Karl Rove, Grover Norquist and Mitch McConnell are becoming my friends.

Turbineguy

(37,332 posts)
5. Remember that period in the Bush Admin
Sun Oct 13, 2013, 06:41 AM
Oct 2013

when Pat Buchanan sounded like a reasonable and decent human being? Just the sort you'd invite over for a nice Thanksgiving Dinner?

 
8. I like this comparison. Now will it have the same ending as the movie?
Sun Oct 13, 2013, 07:16 AM
Oct 2013

Incendiary airstrikes against the Red States would solve many problems!





OK that is just being snarky, I know we are not going to have airstrikes on the Red States to the disappointment of many I am sure.



MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
9. If they've lost Ross Douchehat, they've lost Middle Right Wing Amerikkka
Sun Oct 13, 2013, 07:24 AM
Oct 2013

The need to surrender, post haste.

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
13. Ross Douchehat got the insanity part right.
Sun Oct 13, 2013, 08:24 AM
Oct 2013

They really believe America needs to be punished for elected a Black Man President

Thus in their minds, the results of their reckless actions are not their fault, it the fault of the people who voted for President Obama.

Trying to reason with this freakshow is a waste of time, they believe they are doing God's work, just as the terrorists in the Middle East do.


Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
15. Chances are that the people he calls out
Sun Oct 13, 2013, 08:48 AM
Oct 2013

only listen to Limbaugh and Beck for opinions. I must say that the attempt to whitewash Boehner as some grand strategist that we've seen over the past couple of days is at once laughable and the narrative does fit the frenetic disjointed nature of actual events. Boehner is not in charge but is being whipsawed by the Cruzians.

mgardener

(1,816 posts)
16. Audience
Sun Oct 13, 2013, 09:08 AM
Oct 2013

think about the people that read the Times.
The man is preaching to the choir.

People who listen to rush and beck do not read the NYT.

BumRushDaShow

(129,030 posts)
19. This part was eye-opening coming from him
Sun Oct 13, 2013, 09:59 AM
Oct 2013
It’s clear, right now, that the populists can’t be trusted not to drive their party into a ditch. But neither can Republican leaders just declare war on their own base, as some moderates and liberals would have them do.

Instead, Republicans need to seek a kind of integration, which embraces the positive aspects of the new populism — its hostility to K Street and Wall Street, its relative openness to policy innovation, its desire to speak on behalf of Middle America and the middle class — while tempering its Kurtzian streak with prudence, realism, and savoir-faire.

Think of the way that Barack Obama, in his post-2004 ascent, managed to channel the zeal of the antiwar left without being defined by its paranoid excesses, and you can see a recent model for how this kind of integration might work.

But then imagine an alternate reality in which figures like Joe Lieberman and John Kerry were stuck trying to lead a Democratic Party whose backbenchers were mostly net-roots-funded fans of Michael Moore, and you have a decent analog for where the post-Bush Republicans have ended up.




As much as every rethug may hate what is happening to their lunatic party, not ONE will actually point to a Democrat, let alone someone like Pres. Barack Obama, as a "template" for what to do "right". They will rail and rant and hand-wring but they never give any credit to their "enemy". Ever. It could be that this is just a phenomena of the young right - the Megan McCains, Abbie Huntsmans, and Sippy Cupps of the new RW media.

Additionally the irony of his definition of the "new populism" as being anti-lobby (K Street) and anti-corporation (Wall Street) and somehow linking that to anything within the current GOP, is just ludicrous. Those are the very entities that sustain them and push their anti-people, pro-corporate message. The suggestion being that the Teabaggers are an example of this type of "populism" (yet those very entities created them out of thin air and continue to fund them).

IMHO, it appears he thinks he is defining what he was taught was Raygunism, but since he was born in 1979, just a year before Raygun's disastrous entry into the highest office and eventual reign of terror on our society, he is quite naive about the man and his evil policies, which have been white-washed and distorted.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
20. "The horror, the horror"
Mon Oct 14, 2013, 09:12 AM
Oct 2013

is what the tea ball licking baggers will say AFTER the default.

morons.

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