So, what's their plan?

[melody]

Is the GOP simply trying to find a way to save face amid the Obamacare take-down fiasco or are they actually trying to force us to default? Cantor certainly seems to have taken over House procedures for some reason. And Gingrich has said for years that that's the ultimate goal of the right -- to force us into default so they must gut Social Security and Medicare. Anyone care to wager a guess?

[Junkdrawer]

1. This was never about Obamacare. This was about providing a pretext for The Grand Bargain.

The ONLY way to "cut" Social Security is to frame it as saving "Social Security".

After the default, guess which will be the first checks to stop being issued?

[melody]

2. Yes, and ransoming Social Security payments will put pressure on all parties, including Obama

I agree, I think that may be what it has always been about. Which means masses of seniors are going to go hungry because of these psychopaths.

[KansDem]

3. Destroy the village in order to save it?

It worked so well during Vietnam...

[Junkdrawer]

4. Destroy the Middle Class and who pays taxes?

The game was kept afloat by excess FICA taxes on what was left of the middle class amd the working poor. But now THAT loan comes due.

[KansDem]

7. I opened an online SS account earlier this year...

I used to get those periodic statements informing me of my benefits. I can't remember when I last received one.

But I wanted to keep tabs on my payments and projected stipend (I first started paying into SS in 1969 when I was a teen and started working summers and after-school). I'm also thinking of "retiring" in a couple of years and want to see how I'll fare.

When this whole ordeal started, I wanted some kind of record to counter these fascists for when they begin their putsch. I really believe the One Percenters want to own the planet and the US government stands in their way.

But you're correct: the Richie Riches have all stop paying taxes (courtesy of Reagan and Bush) putting the burden on the middle- and working-class taxpayers. Their next step is to destroy the these taxpayers completely by making them "repay" the deficit created by:
1. Tax cuts for the wealthy
2. Iraq invasion ($3 to $6 trillion alone)
3. Allowing Richie Rich to hide his wealth offshore
4. Allowing corporations to move jobs offshore
5. etc.
6. etc.
7. etc.

This may all be academic since I suspect the TPP, if passed, will be our death knell.

But, I think everyone should open an online SS account to keep tabs on what is going on with their benefits.

[spanone]

5. it's like trying to guess which way a squirrel in the road will go....

except the squirrel has a higher thinking ability

[melody]

6. Granted, but it's a useful discussion I think n/t

[Uncle Joe]

8. I found a video of their plan.

Thanks for the thread, melody.