A deal is near. I don't trust them

[rdking647]

Supposedly a deal on the debt ceiling shutdown is near. If Reid gives away to much he needs to go. I've seen him cave to often in the past to trust him

[melody]

1. Let's face it, no matter what the deal is, a good portion of us won't like it

At least the Democrats are playing a strong offense this time.

[Dawgs]

2. Don't trust him either. He shouldn't need to give much; he only needs a few votes from GOP. n/t

[regnaD kciN]

5. Actually, Reid has been the most stubborn this time…

I think he took it personally that he made a deal with Boner for a CR and debt-ceiling increase in exchange for continuing the sequester, only to have Orangeman refuse to allow a House vote on it.

[Dawgs]

8. We'll see. n/t

[russspeakeasy]

15. That is my take too.

[regnaD kciN]

3. I suspect the "deal" is in the Senate…

…who knows how long the House Teapublicans will resist it?

[morningfog]

6. That's the thing, they are a loose cannon. Unpredictable and caring only about their extreme

ideology.

[ChangeUp106]

10. Depends how much pressure business puts on them

Wall Street and the Chamber are not happy. They will be less happy with each passing hour. I too fear a bad deal for us Democrats. The House might take it come Wednesday night.

[BlueStreak]

14. Implicit in all this is the assumption that Boehner has to bypass the teabaggers

And he ought to be ready to do that, after seeing Cantor essentially mounting a coup attept when he maned himself, not the Speaker, as the one who would determine if the shutdown proceeded.

[melody]

11. That will just redouble the pressure on the gop n/t

[L0oniX]

4. Touch SS in any negative way and ? will leave this party ...along with a lot of people.

Cut the fucking military! G damn it all to hell! The fucking sacred cow is killing this country!

[rdking647]

21. i dont think theres any chance of that

i dont think that would pass the senate

[BluegrassStateBlues]

7. Reid has been one of the strongest in holding the line this time.

I don't think he has conceded anything major... probably just a shiny object that 99.9% of us will ever notice.

[NuclearDem]

9. No matter who wins in this fight, we all lose.

[Triana]

12. Bend over and grab the K-Y...we're about to get screwed...

...AGAIN.

[Cali_Democrat]

17. That's not true. We don't know all the details yet.

Let's wait and see.....

[Hutzpa]

13. What's in the deal?

What are they asking for in return?

No deal if it has to do with ACA, Social Security, Medicaid, Food stamps etc or anything to deprive the
poor and ethnic minority should be thrown out.

[BluegrassStateBlues]

16. Word is a delay of medical device tax and requiring income verification for ACA subsidies...

which is already part of the law but delayed.

[Hutzpa]

19. Requiring income verification means

those in need of health care will still be excluded, I say no deal to any of the above.

The republicans are determined to prevent certain groups from accessing health care
and that to me is the crust of this government shutdown.

What a cruel bunch of group and they call themselves Christians.. how laughable is that?

[jeff47]

24. No.

The "deal" is a clean CR through mid-to-late December, debt ceiling raised for a year, and then budget talks.

That's it.

Poorly written articles have gone on to emphasize what may happen in those talks, such as the medical device tax. It makes it look like Republicans win something, when it isn't actually part of the deal.

[dawg]

18. If we give them anything at all, they will just do it all over again.

Is this Administration smart enough to realize that? We're about to find out.

(My money says that they *are* smart enough, and will concede only vague promises of being willing to "negotiate" after the government has been re-opened and the debt ceiling lifted.)

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

20. "History has tried to teach us that we can't have good government under politicians. Mark Twain

"History has tried to teach us that we can't have good government under politicians. Now, to go and stick one at the very head of government couldn't be wise." Mark Twain

[bigwillq]

22. Reid needed to go a long time ago (nt)

[Orsino]

23. Well, I guess it could be chess.

All the talk of a deal between Reid and Boehner is going to be, in part, face-saving for Boehner.

Trouble is, there's probably going to be some actual concession by Reid, and that can't possibly be good.