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sinkingfeeling

(51,457 posts)
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 09:40 AM Oct 2013

Are You in the New American Center? 51% in center.

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/center-interactive-quiz?ignoreCache=1

An Esquire/NBC poll, tied to our latest chart-filled examination of the state of our politics.

Where do you fall on today’s ideological spectrum? Answer a few short questions and find out
whether you’re part of the New American Center.


Read more: American Center Politics Quiz - Political Beliefs Quiz - Esquire
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Are You in the New American Center? 51% in center. (Original Post) sinkingfeeling Oct 2013 OP
No, thankfully my brain is still intact. peace13 Oct 2013 #1
No, thankfully I'm only senile, not stupid. CanonRay Oct 2013 #2
No. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #3
Bleeding Heart here nt Lebam in LA Oct 2013 #4
By today's standards, Barry Goldwater might be "New American Center" Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #5
Hell, even Reagan would be considered left of moderate. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #9
No. I'm a "bleeding heart" aka progressive aka liberal. highplainsdem Oct 2013 #6
I be Left Wing all the way. hobbit709 Oct 2013 #7
Ditto here as well :) n/t Fix The Stupid Oct 2013 #12
They got me right. Downwinder Oct 2013 #8
In the 10% of those who are bleeding hearts. LOL Mad-in-Mo Oct 2013 #10
Just for fun and to see how many were on the far Right, I answered sinkingfeeling Oct 2013 #11
Awww - I'm in the 10% who are Bleeding Heart RockaFowler Oct 2013 #13
I couldn't find out how they defined their "51% in the center" muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #14
This must pay more attention to social issues than fiscal ones Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #15
what a piece of crap rurallib Oct 2013 #16
bleeding heart here kydo Oct 2013 #17
Bleeding Heart - tosh Oct 2013 #18
When you divide people into small categories, all the numbers look like minorities and outliers. Chan790 Oct 2013 #22
I'm one of the "Gospel Left" PragmaticLiberal Oct 2013 #19
They've now defined the endpoints - Elizabeth Warren is as far left as it goes muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #20
Harry Reid's picture also shows up in "Minivan moderates" FarCenter Oct 2013 #23
Nope. Another Bleeding Heart here. bunnies Oct 2013 #21
I support the New Deal on steroids and a large standing military. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #24
Hell yeah...another proud Bleeding Heart here! bullwinkle428 Oct 2013 #25
I am nowhere in the middle. texanwitch Oct 2013 #26
Some liberals make me feel like a sane centrist sometimes. Drunken Irishman Oct 2013 #27
Their methodology is pretty questionable given the boxes they created to put people in... JCMach1 Oct 2013 #28
I'm a sensible bleeding heart...nt Enthusiast Oct 2013 #29
I wouldn't allow 90+ scripts to run just to take the test. n/t Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #30
I ended up left of center. nt bluestate10 Oct 2013 #31
You are one of the bleeding hearts DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2013 #32
... Rex Oct 2013 #33
Bleeding heart. nt Doremus Oct 2013 #34
Apparently, I'm a Bleeding Heart as well.....=) AverageJoe90 Oct 2013 #35
Bleeding Heart trackfan Oct 2013 #36
 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
1. No, thankfully my brain is still intact.
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 10:00 AM
Oct 2013

Your survey says that I am safely a bleeding heart. Go figure. Nice name. If a person actually has empathy and understanding and thinks for herself she is in fact, a bleeding heart.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
5. By today's standards, Barry Goldwater might be "New American Center"
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 10:17 AM
Oct 2013

Robert Kennedy would probably be far left.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,320 posts)
14. I couldn't find out how they defined their "51% in the center"
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 10:37 AM
Oct 2013

They give lots of figures for what that 51% think, but I couldn't see anything on how they decided to cut that 51% from the amounts either side (and I couldn't see the relative sizes of 'left' and 'right', either). Did they really have figures that justify a 51% center rather than, say, a 20% center?

rurallib

(62,416 posts)
16. what a piece of crap
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 10:42 AM
Oct 2013

I am willing to bet if they asked specifically about individual issues (like they do when they break the ACA into specific pieces like pre-existing conditions) most people would weigh in on the left side of an issue.

For example - should a power company be allowed to pollute when their pollution has been shown to be a health hazard, or should they be required to prevent or clean up the pollution?

Just made an example up. Funny that when something affects someone directly, they get religion.

eta - as you can imagine - I am bleeding heart and so out of touch with America, I can barely speak American.
Fuck NBC and Esquire and their corporate owners.

kydo

(2,679 posts)
17. bleeding heart here
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 10:43 AM
Oct 2013

Darker blue then I thought too. After watching toady break the groups down I thought I'd have one foot in that minivan group and the other the bleeding heart Lisa Simpson with my little toe just barely touching the religious left Taylor Perry group.

But I took the test and I am more like the Lisa Simpson group then any other. Oh well, better except reality, I am a bleeding heart liberal and damn proud!

tosh

(4,423 posts)
18. Bleeding Heart -
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 11:06 AM
Oct 2013

part of the 10%

edited to add: the 10% surprised me. Didn't know we were such a small minority.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
22. When you divide people into small categories, all the numbers look like minorities and outliers.
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 12:49 PM
Oct 2013

Also, which questions you ask and how they are worded dramatically-skew outcomes. The results can be made through application of basic assumptions of the polling entity to confirm any hypothesis...no matter how absurd. Further: Precision ≠ Accuracy.

Another problem can be surmised as "He who cuts the pie, measures the slices." That is, out of the respondents to their poll, they classified them into eight categories which we will simply refer to as 1-8 with 1 being very-liberal and 8 being very-conservative. Category 5 is not however the totality of their "New American Center"; 51% of respondents did not score in category 5 and if they did, it would belie credibility...no, their totality of the "New American Center" represents a range of four categories that they have disclosed as categories 3, 4, 5 and 6. But who made that determination? They did, it confirms their hypothesis. They likely would have made a different determination if "4-7" or "2-6" had better proved their hypothesis. Do we have to accept their determination as valid? It makes as much sense to narrow the "New American Center" to "4-6" or "3-5" both of which provide dramatically-different results. (Especially since their avatar of category 5 is Phil Robertson...a guy who openly displays his disdain for non-conservatives.) I can present an equally-valid interpretation of the data to say that the "New American Center" is a vast minority of the population...all I have to do is confine the range to either only category 4 or 5.

The reality is ideological polling (as opposed to predictive polling such as that used to predict the outcomes of elections where the parameters of the outcomes are defined and universally-understood) is by its very nature invalid. It looks good but it's about as credible, as a result of its inborn flaws, as tea-leaf reading, Cosmopolitan surveys and phrenology. There is no way to filter for the biases of the polling entity, even the means attempted in this article of using two ideologically-opposed polling entities tends to only amplify those biases upon which they agree even when those biases are demonstrably-false. ("All unicorns agree that unicorns are real.&quot

PragmaticLiberal

(904 posts)
19. I'm one of the "Gospel Left"
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 11:16 AM
Oct 2013

Which is interesting because I'm not particularly religious.

I'm more of an agnostic.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,320 posts)
20. They've now defined the endpoints - Elizabeth Warren is as far left as it goes
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 11:48 AM
Oct 2013

So I'm not that surprised that most DUers so far are the left-most 10% 'bleeding hearts' (including me, and I'm not far left here). Bernie Sanders doesn't exist, it seems.

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/ideological-spectrum-1113#slide-1

Left-most 10%: 'Bleeding hearts' - Elizabeth Warren, Nancy Pelosi (heh - that'll get a few comments here...), Mike O'Malley
Next 11%: 'Gospel Left' - Joe Biden, John Lewis
14%: 'Minivan moderates': Chuck Schumer, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton
13%: 'MBA Middle': Harry Reid, Jon Tester, Michael Bloomberg
12%: 'Pickup Populists': Arnold Scharzenegger, GHW Bush (ie "these moderate Republicans have all retired&quot
13%: 'The Whateverman': Chris Christie, Jeb Bush, Mitt Romney (in their case, this apparently means "say whatever it takes to get elected&quot
14%: 'The Righteous Right' (I think I may barf): John Boehner, Mike Huckabee (seriously? The man's a nutcase when you look at his positions), Nikki Haley
14%: 'The Talk Radio Heads': Marc Rubio, Liz Cheney, Rand Paul, Ted Cruz (notice they've got 4 in this category, because the USA is suffering from a plague of wingnuts)

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
23. Harry Reid's picture also shows up in "Minivan moderates"
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 01:00 PM
Oct 2013

I don't really see him in the "MBA Middle" with Tester and Bloomberg.

The quiz placed me in the MBA Middle, although I am not in the south or west.

Apparently this is "Bleeding Heart Underground"...

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
27. Some liberals make me feel like a sane centrist sometimes.
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 01:54 PM
Oct 2013

I know I'm liberal...but I often don't like admitting it with how out there some liberals get.

JCMach1

(27,559 posts)
28. Their methodology is pretty questionable given the boxes they created to put people in...
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 02:12 PM
Oct 2013

What I take from it is that political opinion is so diverse in America that two parties are way too small to represent it...

trackfan

(3,650 posts)
36. Bleeding Heart
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 03:18 PM
Oct 2013

One of the 10% that believes in the full progressive agenda. Not part of the New American Center.

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