Robert Costa: "emerging House legislation: CR + DL + med device + income verification + Vitter" idea

[highplainsdem]

From National Review's Robert Costa, reports at NR and on Twitter this morning that the House conservatives are "revolting" (such obvious jokes there), won't consider the Senate deal or wait for it, but instead will pass another bill of their own immediately, before the Senate can pass a deal.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/361244/house-conservatives-revolt-robert-costa

In a few minutes, House Republicans will meet in the Capitol’s basement. The chief topic of conversation: the emerging Senate deal. But before the meeting even begins, House conservatives are bashing it behind the scenes, and they’re pushing leadership to reject the compromise. A flurry of phone calls and meetings last night and early this morning led to that consensus among the approximately 50 Republicans who form the House GOP’s right flank. They’re furious with Senate Republicans for working with Democrats to craft what one leading tea-party congressman calls a “mushy piece of s**t.” Another House conservative warns, “If Boehner backs this, as is, he’s in trouble.”

But that’s unlikely to happen. As of 8:30 a.m., House conservatives believe the leadership is well aware of their unhappiness, and they expect Boehner to talk up the House’s next move: another volley to the Senate, which would extend the debt ceiling, reopen the government, and set up a budget conference, plus request conservative demands that go beyond the Senate’s outline.

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More from Costa's Twitter feed:

https://twitter.com/robertcostaNRO

emerging House legislation: CR + DL + med device + income verification + Vitter language

CONFIRMED House details.

Part One: CR to 1/15, debt limit to 2/7

Part Two: 2 year med device suspension

Part Three: Income verification

Part Four: Obamacare for members, Cabinet members (version of Vitter language)

Hearing more details on MSNBC now. Saying there that the GOP plan is that the WH staff would have to use the Obamacare exchanges, but Congressional staff wouldn't have to.

[octoberlib]

1. The House sociopaths are also petty. Jesus.nt

[Mass]

2. OK, they know that there must be a solution before Thursday, do they.

Because 4 is not acceptable, I imagine, and 2 is already out of the loop. May be Boehner and McConnell could sit together and talk before it is a disaster.

NOTE: It is unclear that even this would be satisfying to the crazies.

[geek tragedy]

5. Will the crazies vote to fully fund Obamacare? I don't think so. nt

[Mass]

9. They will not. This is not the point. The point is that Boehner puts a bill on the floor that is

acceptable to Democrats in the House and Senate. They will never get the crazies on board.

[geek tragedy]

10. Why would Democrats vote for it at this stage? Without the crazies he doesn't have enough votes nt

[Mass]

11. Because people are suffering and it is time to stop this mess.

Let's move this to the Senate and let's see what happens. This seems to be the plan.

Or, of course, Dems can tell people to STFU as it is more important to make a political point than to make sure this mess ends (and yes, it may start again after Xmas, I am aware of that).

[geek tragedy]

12. Some reports are that the bill will strip out ACA subsidies. Which would guarantee a default since

it would die in the Senate.

[Mass]

13. For congresspeople and WH appointees. Do we really care?

Obviously, stripping out all subsidies is a no go, but this is not what is reported.

[geek tragedy]

14. If that's it, then this could pass depending on how obnoxious the income

verification stuff is.

Part of me suspects that this volley was pre-arranged last night.

Will the crazies really vote to fully fund IRS enforcement of Obamacare as well as the subsidies?

I can't imagine this proposal will fly with Heritage Action etc.

[Mass]

15. Actually, it seems the bill includes getting rid of extraordinary measures, so it is probably

not going to happen. Dems will not vote for this (actually it is hard to think anybody in their right mind would) and the GOP hardliners will not either.

[MSMITH33156]

16. See, I agree in general

but there are 2 problems with this:

1) They aren't giving us anything. What we are getting is "not blowing up the economy", which isn't a concession.

2) This is a prelude to a budget negotiation. So, what they are requesting is that we give them some stuff, just so they can come to the table and actually negotiate.

This makes no sense. They have not given us anything. And we control 2/3rds of the decision making apparatus on this thing. Not blowing up the economy is not a concession to the Democratic Party. Simply put, if they want the medical device tax lifted or the Vitter Amendment, that should be discussed in budget negotiations, not right now, just like we aren't getting sequester breaks right now.

Essentially, they want a concession just to not blow the economy up and negotiate. And they are expecting to get that because they expect Democrats to be the responsible adults. I am sick of that crap. The Senate bill will pass, it is the fairer bill, and it will pass the House if they ever vote on it. This bill that the House proposed won't pass the Senate and won't be signed by the President. The Senate Bill will. The Senate Bill is what should be adopted. I'm sorry they picked a fight they couldn't win, but they did. We don't need to give them something as a face saving measure.

[Mass]

17. I agree generally with you, this said,

It is up to the Senate and the president to decide whether this bill is close enough there can be a compromise between House and Senate. There are several factors here:

- The economic burden not raising the debt limit would cause to everybody,
- people who are not working and wont be paid (some of them are poor and cannot afford this to last more)
- political gain may become political loss if Dems are seen as overreaching.

So, the best solution is probably to get it out of the House, send it to Senate which can amend it and send it back to the House. Time is limited.

Now, the real question is to know what the strategy is (and there are people more able than me on this)
a/ Let the crazy beat the House bill and hope that Boehner will send the Senate bill to the floor
b/ Pass it and send it to the Senate so that it comes back to the House and ....

But we need something. Many people cannot wait anymore and being this close, people would not understand and blame both sides.

[MSMITH33156]

18. The only issue

I have is the Dems aren't overreaching, they aren't even reaching. They haven't asked for anything. Only the Reps want things. I don't know, I agree in the short-term it might be better to amend it and send it back, but in the long run, this is really bad for our Democracy. The biggest mistake Obama made was validating their extortion attempts in 2011. That's why we are here today. If he does so again, then there is no going back. Passing the House Bill guarantees we are right back here again in the near future. And when you negotiate with terrorists, eventually, they ask for something you aren't willing to give, and then what? I do not want to default, but it also seems absolutely insane to cave on a deal we hate, when there is a deal that is acceptable to a majority of the House, Senate and the President if it would simply be voted on.

[klook]

3. The "Vitter Idea":

Adult diapers will be covered under Obamacare, as long as the insured is wearing them while consorting with a prostitute.

[a kennedy]

8. Now this is just wrong......

[geek tragedy]

4. So this is a vote to fully fund Obamacare into 2014. They won't have the votes nt

[riverbendviewgal]

6. the income verfication sounds like FATCA

Many American ex pats abroad are now renouncing., no t because they are rich and hiding money but because the pay higher taxes where the live and dont want the IRS in their home bank accounts.

Bad times are coming NSA and IRS are marrying.

[MSMITH33156]

7. So, let's see

Part One: CR to 1/15, debt limit to 2/7

Part Two: 2 year med device suspension

Part Three: Income verification

Part Four: Obamacare for members, Cabinet members (version of Vitter language)

Part One - this is already the Senate deal.

Part Two - This is something Dems might actually be open to, but they are not going to let Republicans get concessions out of this, so it won't happen now. I guarantee if they pass the Senate bill, this will happen in the Budget they have to hammer out by December, but this is just Republicans trying to "win" something. They basically need to get something out of this so they can pretend like it was worth it when it wasn't. This is an attempt to do that.

Part Three - already in Obamacare, the system wasn't ready for verification yet, so the rollout of this was delayed. No one actually cares about this in terms of a sticking point.

Part Four - without seeing the language of this, it's hard to know what this is. But the whole Vitter Amendment is just political tomfoolery. If you are insured, you don't have to use exchanges to get Obamacare. Since these people are already insured, they are being treated just like everyone else. The Vitter Amendment is just an attempt to single out people and treat them differently than a normal person. And it is really just for political spite. "Well, if Obamacare is so good, you use it", except they are, and one of the major tenets of Obamacare is that if you are insured, you can keep your flipping insurance.

Overall, this will pass the House. What this is is the equivalent of a Hail Mary. The jig is up and they know it. Once the Senate passes what everyone will call a "compromise" bill, then they will have to vote on it, and it will pass, even if a majority of Republicans don't support it.

So, the House is now trying to get "something" because they don't want to walk out of this with absolutely nothing to show for shutting down the government, which is exactly what the Senate deal does. So, the reason they are rushing this plan out there, is to say, "see we passed something, now you vote on it" in a desperate, face saving move. They know they lost, this is about the margin of their defeat. Once last desperate gamut.