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hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 01:41 PM Oct 2013

The WH position in a nutshell:

"We cannot engage in a process here that then becomes normalized where a minority in Congress, a faction of one party in one house, can threaten the full faith and credit of the United States if it does not get what it could not get through the normal legislative process or through elections. So those are the stakes when it comes to the essential responsibility of congress to ensure that the Department of Treasury can pay our bills"

Jay Carney - White House Spokes Dude



BTW, this guy is impressive.

Transcribed by me from a CNN clip. Will edit with a link if I can find it.
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The WH position in a nutshell: (Original Post) hootinholler Oct 2013 OP
Exactly. This would establish a terrible precedent. Baitball Blogger Oct 2013 #1
They so get it. Rex Oct 2013 #2
Indeed indeed indeed! I am HUGELY appreciating how they keep working that one point in. calimary Oct 2013 #10
They should include the elimination of the debt ceiling dreamnightwind Oct 2013 #3
in a nutshell ... napkinz Oct 2013 #4
+ me! Hubert Flottz Oct 2013 #5
That is it exactly. nt el_bryanto Oct 2013 #6
It's time these brats were taught a hard lesson. Hubert Flottz Oct 2013 #7
I thought that was profound, too!!! hamsterjill Oct 2013 #8
Seems like basic Democracy 101 to me Blue Owl Oct 2013 #9
Exactly the point. Martin Eden Oct 2013 #11

calimary

(81,304 posts)
10. Indeed indeed indeed! I am HUGELY appreciating how they keep working that one point in.
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 05:27 PM
Oct 2013

It's an extremely, profoundly, tremendously crucial and critical point to make. I'm SO glad he and others are including this talking point - actually a reminding point, if you ask me: that the majority rules. That's the small-d, completely separate and generic democratic method of running this country. Democracy means we vote on things and accept the results. Whichever side it is matters not. It's the MAJORITY of whoever/whatever/wherever. The majority takes it. Majority rules. That's how it is, how it's always been, and how it's GONNA be as long as there's an America. That's because the USA is a democracy. We certainly call ourselves a democracy. And that's what a democracy is. And if you can't get through to a majority with your ideas and your proposals, then you shut up and sit down. You lost. Accept it. Find a way to cope with what IS, and move on. You did NOT convince a majority that your path was the one to take. So that's that, pal. Time to hang it up and try to figure out why more people DON'T support you than DO support you. We even ran it through the Supreme Court last year forcryingoutloud and THEY found it kosher, as well. You went all out. It wasn't meant to be. The ACA IS the law of the land and Barack Obama IS our President - and won a four-year extension to boot. That IS what is.

Dang. I just thought of that movie "The Competition" again. Movie from 1980. This one scene in particular just is over and above and beyond relevant. It just applies again and again and again! Stars Richard Dreyfuss, Amy Irving, and the late and staggering beautiful Lee Remick. Lee Remick plays a piano teacher/mentor to Amy Irving's character, who's a finalist in an international piano competition of the highest order - a career-maker for the winner. Her main competition is played by Richard Dreyfuss, and therein lies the obligatory love affair. (Spoiler alert here There's a reception and party for all the brilliant young competitors at the end, and celebrating the winner of course. Amy Irving is back in a side room with the door closed. Moping. She just won the competition, which didn't much help her relationship with Richard Dreyfuss's character, who came in second. She's very upset and not feeling the least bit celebratory or sociable. Lee Remick spots her and decides this is simply bullshit and must stop. She gently but firmly confronts her young protegee by saying - "it's going to take Mother Nature another hundred years to evolve the kind of man you have in mind. Until then, get out there and dance with what there is!"

GOD I love that quote!

These opponents of ours are so fired up and fervent that theirs is not just the "right" way but the Only Way. Got their Supply-Side Jesus on their team, too, just to underscore that they are the "Chosen Ones." They don't care about polls. They don't care that theirs is a lost cause. They don't care that their "quest" makes no sense whatsoever and was widely expected to fail. They don't care that many of their own prominent colleagues, favorite pundits and editorialists, and most of their financial backers including the head of the US Chamber of Commerce AND the koch brothers either tried to discourage this move earlier, or, having not done so - now are hissing nervously about what a shitty idea this was and we seriously mustn't go through with it.

The highly-judicious and principled move on behalf of our First Dad to his extraordinarily ill-behaved children, to refuse to give into their demands, is taking the future of this country's governance into account - REGARDLESS of the political party in power. It's the toughest of tough love, and these adult-sized three-year-olds have brought it all on themselves. They all remind me of nothing less and nothing but spoiled-brat adult-size three-year-olds. They came in to pick a fight - especially the new upstarts who know nothing about anything and have been in office for what? A whole big fat furry ten months? :

I just turned to my husband and said - hey, what if Occupy decided to do this? The teabaggers and every manner and derivative and splinter and remote, dog-eared corner of the GOP would be foaming at the mouth over the very outrage!!! But it's okay when one of theirs does it?

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
3. They should include the elimination of the debt ceiling
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 02:04 PM
Oct 2013

in any agreement that is reached, so this doesn't happen again. Easier said than done, but the public would certainly have their backs on it, everyone hates this everytime it happens and there is no reason for such a ridiculous construct as the debt ceiling.

hamsterjill

(15,221 posts)
8. I thought that was profound, too!!!
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 04:20 PM
Oct 2013

I heard him deliver that and I thought that summed it up so very well! Thanks for transcribing!

And you know what? He's RIGHT!

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