Why everyone, including the market knows that Boehner is going to cave:

[grantcart]

The Chamber of Commerce has sent not one but two letters of warning to Boehner:

http://www.uschamber.com/issues/letters/2013/multi-industry-coalition-letter-regarding-continuing-resolution-and-debt-limit

TO THE MEMBERS OF THE U.S. CONGRESS:

The undersigned 251 organizations urge the House of Representatives and the United States Senate to pass a Continuing Resolution to ensure the uninterrupted funding of the federal government into the next fiscal year and to act expeditiously to raise the nation’s debt limit.

We appreciate fully the importance of restraining federal spending, both discretionary spending and mandatory spending, to reduce federal budget deficits, contain the growth of federal debt, and thereby re-establish fiscal discipline in the near-term and for the long haul. However, with the U.S. economy continuing to underperform, the federal government needs to maintain its normal operations pending a successful outcome of broader budgetary reforms. It is not in the best interest of the employers, employees or the American people to risk a government shutdown that will be economically disruptive and create even more uncertainties for the U.S. economy.

Likewise, we respectfully urge the Congress to raise the debt ceiling in a timely manner and remove any threat to the full faith and credit of the United States government.

However, entitlement spending remains the main driver of these deficits and high debt levels and must be addressed. Today we spend $1.6 trillion on just three of the nation’s entitlement programs – Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. In 10 years, the total price for these programs will soar to $3 trillion.

Spending on entitlement programs and interest on the debt currently represent 65% of total government outlays and already exceed all federal income tax revenues collected. In 10 short years these payments are projected to reach 76% of government spending. During this decade and the next without reform, entitlement spending will rise more rapidly as the number of Americans 65 and older will jump by 70% while those of working age will increase by less than 7%. The biggest threat imaginable to our entitlement programs is to do nothing at all.

As the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) just reported (September 12):
“Historical and projected growth of federal spending relative to the size of the economy can be attributed almost entirely to growth in spending for a few large programs—namely, Social Security and the major health care programs.”
“The fundamental federal budgetary challenge has hardly been addressed.”
“The largest federal programs are becoming much more expensive because of the retirement of the baby boomers and the rising costs of health care.”

Congress cannot continue “kicking the can down the road;” it’s time to take corrective action to address the unaffordable path of entitlement spending, to stabilize federal finances and to undertake fundamental tax reform to strengthen the American economy.

We urge the Congress to act promptly to pass a Continuing Resolution to fund the government and to raise the debt ceiling, and then to return to work on these other vital issues.

Aeronautical Repair Station Association
Agricultural Retailers Association
Air Conditioning Contractors of America
Air-Conditioning, Heating, and Refrigeration Institute
Airlines for America
Airports Council International - North America
American Apparel & Footwear Association
American Beverage Association
American Coatings Association
American Concrete Pressure Pipe Association
American Council of Engineering Companies
American Farm Bureau Federation
American Forest & Paper Association
American Gas Association
American Hotel & Lodging Association
American Insurance Association
American International Automobile Dealers Association
American Iron and Steel Institute
American Land Title Association
American Rental Association
American Road & Transportation Builders Association
American Supply Association
American Trucking Associations
AMT - The Association For Manufacturing Technology
Arizona Chamber of Commerce and Industry
Arizona Small Business Association
Arkansas State Chamber of Commerce/Associated Industries of Arkansas
Arlington Chamber of Commerce – TX
Associated Equipment Distributors
Associated General Contractors of America
Associated Oregon Industries
Association Forum of Chicagoland – IL
Association of Equipment Manufacturers
Association of Home Appliance Manufacturers
Association of Washington Business
Aurora Regional Chamber of Commerce – IL
Austin Area Chamber of Commerce – TX
Austin Chamber of Commerce – TX
Automotive Aftermarket Industry Association
Baltimore Washington Corridor Chamber – MD
Barrow County Chamber of Commerce – GA
Batavia Chamber of Commerce – IL
Bismarck-Mandan Chamber of Commerce – ND
Brainerd Lakes Chamber – MN
Buckeye Valley Chamber of Commerce – AZ
Buffalo Niagara Partnership – NY
Building Owners and Managers Association (BOMA) International
Business Council of Alabama
Business Roundtable
Cabarrus Regional Chamber of Commerce – NC
California Chamber of Commerce
California Manufacturers & Technology Association
Carolinas Food Industry Council
Carpinteria Valley Chamber of Commerce – CA
Carson Valley Chamber of Commerce – NV
Central LA Chamber of Commerce – LA
Chamber of Commerce of Huntsville/Madison County – AL
Chamber of Commerce of the Mid-Ohio Valley – WV
Chamber Southwest Louisiana
Chambers of Commerce Alliance of Ventura & Santa Barbara Counties – CA
Charleston Metro Chamber of Commerce – SC
Chicago Southland Chamber of Commerce - IL
Chicagoland Chamber of Commerce – IL
Connecticut Business & Industry Association
Construction Financial Management Association (CFMA)
Construction Industry Round Table
Consumer Bankers Association
Corn Refiners Association
Cushing Chamber of Commerce & Industry – OK
Dakota County Regional Chamber of Commerce – MN
Dallas Regional Chamber – TX
Dayton Area Chamber of Commerce – OH
DC Chamber of Commerce
Delaware State Chamber of Commerce
Denver Metro Chamber of Commerce – CO
Destination Marketing Association International
Edison Electric Institute
Electronics Representatives Association
Erie Regional Chamber & Growth Partnership – PA
Fairfax County Chamber of Commerce – VA
Fairmont Area Chamber of Commerce – MN
Fall River Area Chamber of Commerce and Industry, Inc. – MA
Fashion Accessories Shippers Association
Financial Services Forum
Florida Chamber of Commerce
Fort Madison Partners – IA
Fremont Chamber of Commerce – CA
Fullerton Chamber of Commerce – CA
Gateway Regional Chamber of Commerce – NJ
Georgia Chamber of Commerce
Greater Albuquerque Chamber of Commerce – NM
Greater Bakersfield Chamber of Commerce – CA
Greater Beaumont Chamber of Commerce – TX
Greater Boca Raton Chamber of Commerce – FL
Greater Des Moines Partnership – IA
Greater Durham Chamber of Commerce – NC
Greater El Paso Chamber of Commerce – TX
Greater Homestead/Florida City Chamber of Commerce – FL
Greater Iowa City Area Home Builders Association – IA
Greater Irving-Las Colinas Chamber of Commerce – TX
Greater Lehigh Valley Chamber of Commerce – PA & NJ
Greater North Dakota Chamber
Greater Oak Brook Chamber of Commerce – IL
Greater Oro Valley Chamber of Commerce – AZ
Greater Phoenix Chamber of Commerce – AZ
Greater Raleigh Chamber of Commerce – NC
Greater Reading Chamber of Commerce & Industry – PA
Greater Shreveport Chamber of Commerce – LA
Greater Spokane Incorporated – WA
Greater Topeka Chamber of Commerce – KS
Guitar & Accessories Marketing Association (GAMA)
Hanover Area Chamber of Commerce – PA
Harrisburg Regional Chamber & CREDC – PA
Hilton Head Island-Bluffton Chamber of Commerce – SC
Hudson County Chamber of Commerce – NJ
Illinois Manufacturers' Association
Independent Electrical Contractors (IEC)
Industrial Packaging Alliance of North America
Industrial Supply Association
International Dairy Foods Association
International Foodservice Distributors Association
International Franchise Association
International Housewares Association
International Warehouse Logistics Association
Investment Company Institute
Iowa Association of Business and Industry
Joliet Region Chamber of Commerce & Industry – IL
Junction City Area Chamber of Commerce – KS
Kalispell Chamber of Commerce – MT
Kansas Grain and Feed Association
Kentucky Chamber of Commerce
Kingsport Area Chamber of Commerce – TN
Lincoln Chamber of Commerce – NE
Little Rock Regional Chamber of Commerce – AR
Longview Chamber of Commerce – TX
Los Angeles Area Chamber of Commerce – CA
Lubbock Chamber of Commerce – TX
Management Association for Private Photogrammetric Surveyors (MAPPS)
Manhattan Chamber of Commerce – NY
Manufacturers Alliance for Productivity and Innovation
Marana Chamber of Commerce – AZ
Marshalltown Area Chamber of Commerce – IA
Maryland Chamber of Commerce
Maui Chamber of Commerce – HI
Metal Powder Industries Federation
Metro South Chamber of Commerce – MA
MetroHartford Alliance – CT
MetroWest Chamber of Commerce – MA
Minneapolis Regional Chamber of Commerce – MN
Missouri Association of Manufacturers
Missouri Chamber of Commerce and Industry
Mobile Area Chamber of Commerce – AL
Montana Chamber of Commerce
Monterey Peninsula Chamber of Commerce – CA
Monticello Chamber of Commerce & Industry – MN
Motor & Equipment Manufacturers Association
Naperville Area Chamber of Commerce – IL
National Asphalt Pavement Association
National Association of Chemical Distributors
National Association of Government Guaranteed Lenders
National Association of Manufacturers
National Association of Real Estate Investment Trusts
National Association of Trailer Manufacturers
National Association of Wholesaler-Distributors
National Beer Wholesalers Association (NBWA)
National Black Chamber of Commerce®
National Electrical Contractors Association (NECA)
National Electrical Manufacturers Association
National Federation of Independent Business
National Grocers Association
National Marine Distributors Association (NMDA)
National Marine Manufacturers Association
National Parking Association
National Restaurant Association
National Retail Federation
National Roofing Contractors Association
National Society of Professional Surveyors
National Stone, Sand & Gravel Association
National Utility Contractors Association
Nebraska Chamber of Commerce & Industry
New Jersey State Chamber of Commerce
New Orleans Chamber of Commerce – LA
Non-Ferrous Founders’ Society
North American Equipment Dealers Association
North Carolina Chamber
North Carolina Retail Merchants Association
North Star Consulting Group
Northeast Pennsylvania Manufacturers and Employers Association
Northern Kentucky Chamber of Commerce
Northern Rhode Island Chamber of Commerce
Northumberland County Chamber of Commerce – VA
Northwest Food Processors Association
Nuclear Energy Institute
Ohio Chamber of Commerce
Orange County Business Council – CA
Orlando, Inc. (Orlando Regional Chamber of Commerce) – FL
Outdoor Power Equipment and Engine Service Association (OPEESA)
Outdoor Power Equipment Institute
Overland Park Chamber of Commerce – KS
Oxnard Chamber of Commerce – CA
Palm Desert Area Chamber of Commerce – CA
Pasadena Chamber of Commerce and Civic Association – CA
Pennsylvania Chamber of Business and Industry
Petroleum Marketers Association of America
Port Hueneme Chamber of Commerce – CA
Portland Cement Association
Prince William Chamber of Commerce – VA
Retail Industry Leaders Association
Rochester Area Chamber of Commerce – MN
Rogers – Lowell Area Chamber of Commerce – AR
Salt Lake Chamber – UT
San Antonio Chamber of Commerce – TX
Santa Clarita Valley Chamber of Commerce – CA
Schuylkill Chamber of Commerce – PA
Secondary Materials and Recycled Textiles Association (SMART)
Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association
Sierra Vista Area Chamber of Commerce – AZ
Smugglers' Notch Area Chamber of Commerce – VT
Society of Chemical Manufacturers & Affiliates (SOCMA)
South Bay Association of Chambers of Commerce – CA
South Carolina Retail Association
Springfield Area Chamber of Commerce – MO
St. Cloud Area Chamber of Commerce – MN
St. TammanyWest Chamber of Commerce – LA
Summit Chamber of Commerce – CO
Tacoma-Pierce County Chamber – WA
Tennessee Chamber of Commerce & Industry
The Aluminum Association
The Association for Hose & Accessories Distribution
The Business Council of New York State, Inc.
The Chamber of Commerce serving Johnson City-Jonesborough-Washington County (TN)
The Council of Industry of Southeastern New York
The Ohio Manufacturers' Association
The Real Estate Roundtable
Tompkins County Chamber of Commerce – NY
Torrance Area Chamber of Commerce – CA
Travel Goods Association
Tucson Metro Chamber – AZ
Tulsa Regional Chamber – OK
U.S. Chamber of Commerce
U.S. Travel Association
United States Telecom Association
Valley Industry & Commerce Association (VICA) – CA
Van Buren Chamber of Commerce – AR
Virginia Chamber of Commerce
Washington Retail Association
West Virginia Manufacturers Association
Window and Door Manufacturers Association
Wisconsin Grocers Association
Woodworking Machinery Industry Association
Yuma County Chamber of Commerce – AZ

[arcane1]

1. Wow, that's some list!

[cali]

2. Applying logic to these people is a mistake.

And all it takes to blow anything out of the water is someone like Cruz in the Senate.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

11. Or Michelle "batshit" Bachman

[flamingdem]

3. Surrender now Boehner

Let's see the whites (pinks) of your eyes, asap

[BluegrassStateBlues]

10. How many days sober would he have to be for them to return to white? nt

[2naSalit]

4. Lalalalalala!!!!

They can't hear anyone but themselves anymore. They are so in love with their own voices in that little restaurant basement!

[Savannahmann]

5. When are you going to realize that the Tea Party is in control?

They don't care about that stuff. If a Republican breaks ranks, they will be Primary challenged from the right. The professional politicians know they can't win that, so they have to stand firm or get out of politics. Saxby Chambliss was told he would be primary challenged from the RW, and he announced a week later that he would be retiring. One week from we're out to get you, to folding and going home.

This isn't about the money gang, this is about things much bigger, and whenever you wake up and figure that out, we can then take the time to plan and seriously contemplate the issues facing us. But go ahead, and pretend that the money has spoken, for the eighth time in the last two weeks, but this time it will matter.

[melody]

7. The Tea Party will have the combined force of ALL those companies against them in the next election

THAT is what will give most of them pause.

[jeff47]

9. If that were true, it would have already given them pause.

It hasn't. The teabaggers are true believers.

[melody]

12. No, I think they're just haggling for the best deal

If no, then they will get hung out to dry on election day.

[jeff47]

20. Except haggling for the best deal is already hurting the economy

and the CoC and their friends.

Look, the Republican party used to just have economic conservatives. Cultural conservatives had no home when Goldwater and friends threw them out of the Republican party. Why'd they throw them out? Because they knew the cultural conservatives would destroy the party.

Reagan didn't give a fuck about that. So he created a coalition between the cultural conservatives and the economic conservatives, and rode it to victory. In that era, the economic conservatives retained all the power, while the cultural conservatives were thrown the occasional bone to keep them showing up.

That's what you are describing when you say the CoC can reign the Republicans in. That is no longer the situation.

What Goldwater and company feared came to pass in 1994. The cultural conservatives took over the Republican party. Power was someone evenly shared for a while, but the economic conservatives kept losing power while the cultural conservatives kept gaining more and more power.

The emergence of the "tea party" is the cultural conservatives taking complete control of the Republican party. They care as much about the CoC as Reagan cared about abortion: Not at all.

So yes, the teabaggers would face the ire of big business. They don't care. They are God's warriors, out to save us all from evil. And entities like Fox News have ensured that there's plenty of Republican primary voters backing them up - around 55%. So the teabaggers do not have to care.

"Big business" has no ability to stop this. Even Fox can't stop it - changing their programming from cultural conservatism to economic conservatism would just send viewers fleeing. And Fox needs them to keep watching so that goldbugs will keep buying ads.

[melody]

21. Already surrendered -- we're dead, we're doomed n/t

[jeff47]

29. No, we're not. Republicans are.

Their party is going to go the way of the Whigs.

What happens next is big business still needs a political home. And there's this Democratic party just sitting there. The most right-leaning members are already where economic conservatives were in the 1950's and 60's. So they use their money to buy a new home for economic conservatives in the Democratic party.

This will obviously not sit well with liberals. Who will have to go find their own new home, either in a new party or one of the existing minor parties.

In a couple decades, we'll end up about where the two parties were in the 50's and 60's. It'll be the Democrats on the right, and the new liberal party on the left.

But it will be "interesting" getting there.

[starroute]

14. Those aren't companies -- they're local CoC affiliates

Notice that the names are all "Such-and-such Chamber of Commerce" or "Business Association of Such-and-such."

[melody]

18. Okay, we're all doomed, we're all gonna die lol n/t

[Savannahmann]

23. They had all that stuff against them in 2012

Bonehead said that the election settled the matter, and the Republicans had to work with President Obama after the election of 2012. How many of us cheered that as we celebrated the victory?

That lasted until the Tea Party flexed it's muscles again, and then all of a sudden it's do this or else we'll run a primary challenge against you like we did Bob Bennett. So Big Bob is out, and the Tea Party made that happen.

Several of the people now demanding an end to the ACA made similar statements about the results of the election. Then they got notified that the Tea Party was having none of it. Call them many things, but they are the power now. Because as much money as the Companies have, it won't help in the Primaries which is all about get the vote out. The Tea party will show up on primary day, and they will vote, and they will pick someone else. That is where their power lies, and that is where the corporate money falls down. Because you can't pay people to show up and vote for the candidate you want. But you can demonize people on the net and Talk radio to get people out to vote against them.

Come on friends, wake up. The Money men are trying to figure out the same thing we are, which is how to stop the tea party. The problem is that you can't, what you can do is smarten up, and take them seriously, and figure out how to tick them down issue by issue until they actually become the fringe element we pretend they are.

First rule is that you never underestimate your opponent, and we've been making that mistake since 2010. I wonder if we'll wake up before we find Rand Paul in the White House that these people are not going away.

[melody]

24. I've already surrendered -- it's hopeless, we're all doomed

The people who have to see the cloud under every silver lining have won. I'm not even going to suggest a hopeful possibility now.

[Savannahmann]

35. I'm not surrendering

I'm just trying to get people to realize that we face a tough determined and dedicated opposition. This isn't a cake walk or a nice stroll, these people are just as determined as we are, and they have no reason to surrender.

[Bluenorthwest]

16. Saxby Chambliss barely held his seat in 2008 there was a runoff election no less.

Obama refused to go campaign for the Democrat Martin but other Democrats did. The Libertarian candidate in that race only got 3% of the vote. Chambliss will be 70 next year.
Democrats could win that seat if they tried.

[Savannahmann]

22. Bah.

The last Democrat who held a Senate Seat was Zell Miller, who has the distinction of the only Democrat to campaign for George W. Bush.

Previous to Miller was Max Cleland. Need I remind you how quickly he was defeated by the RW forces arraigned against him?

Chambliss was unpopular in the state, and still won the election. So who is going to be the next Senator? A Democrat? If a Democrat won, he would be further to the right than Zell Miller, and would be soundly denounced here and everywhere on the net. So no, a Democrat can't realistically win, without being even more radically RW than the Repugniks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Georgia,_2014

My money is on Kingston winning the Primary for the Republicans, and thus the election. He's a long serving Congressman from Savannah, and is friendly enough with the business interests, he's the state wide king of pork, to get the funding for the campaign. He's reliably conservative enough to get the Tea Party Nod, which means he'll get the turnout for the vote in the primary.

I've read articles where he's trailing in the polls, but it's still early, and no matter who wins the primary for the Republicans, they'll win the general.

[Warren DeMontague]

25. If you could fund campaigns with prayer, crazy, and ticket stubs from the creation museum

You'd be right.

But the fact is, to paraphrase the late Gus Grissom, "No bucks, no buck fucking crazy"

[Savannahmann]

30. Ah there be the rub

The Corporations are going to back someone. So who is it going to be? Democratic Party candidates who want to increase the taxes on the rich? Nope, not gonna happen. If it does, then we're stuck with Corporate democrats who are little better than the so called Moderate Republicans and you have to go into decimal points to see the difference.

Or are they going to fund the smaller government lower taxes who will in all probability win? Besides, many of those whom I have talked about previously, the folks that make up this movement, the average everyday folks, are not rich, but are well into comfortable.

In another post this afternoon, I told of people who are preparing for the end of civilization as we know it. Those people are buying up thousands of dollars in supplies, and they are the ones who fund the NRA, and the ones who donate the maximum to their favorite candidates or two. It may only come to five or six grand, but what do we answer with? Ten bucks, a hundred?

Besides, to get through the primary, it means get out the vote, which is driven these days by the internet and talk radio, not major ad buys which come much later in the campaign. It doesn't take much money to run a tea party campaign, some gas money and the occasional cheap hotel stay. You go to the churches, meet the people, get on talk radio shows, post on the internet and get posted about. Then the Freepers pick up your posts, and push them further. Facebook, and twitter also get the word out.

Then they win, as in Bob Bennett's case, with an underfunded campaign, and they are free to collect the maximum from the corporations who hope to influence them slightly. While the corps have already maxed out their donations to whoever was just primeried out.

If the world worked like we wished, the Tea Party nuts would be gone already. But it doesn't. People making sixty or eighty grand a year can do a lot of giving, and their friends all give too. They may not give the millions to the PAC's that we like to complain about, but they give a couple grand to the candidate, and that's a fair amount of gas for traveling around and shaking hands at Church Revivals and community events. Then they get another twenty thousand, and that's a website and a half assed smart phone ap. They're off and running now.

Stop pretending that the other side is made up of drooling morons who can't string a sentence together to save their lives. There are some of those certainly, but many of them are just as smart as we are, and as we saw, Carl Rove was a genius who was able to twist public opinion in ways never before seen in this nation.

[A HERETIC I AM]

33. The Tea Party isn't in control, not by a long shot.

They are pissing up a rope.

The real people in control have no interest in seeing this country go into default.

In ten years the Tea Party will be a joke of history.

[Savannahmann]

34. We said that after the 2010 election.

We announced that they were dead and buried after the 2012 election. Bonehead agreed and said the Republicans had to start working with Obama because the people had spoken. How long did that last?

[Z_California]

6. Put your money where your mouth is

These businesses should throw together $100 million to defend against Tea Party primary challenges

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

13. I think they've made a promise to support those who are primaried.

I don't think they've made a dollar amount commitment however.

[jeff47]

8. If the CoC had that power, they wouldn't have had to send two letters. (nt)

[former9thward]

15. They wouldn't have to had sent one.

[Skidmore]

17. Now that the monster they created

is tearing up the town square...

These sobs deserve to share in the angst and pain.

[Paladin]

19. We have vastly underestimated the power and insanity of the Tea Party.

I will believe this shit is over when it is actually over, not before. Way too many optimistic predictions about when things would be concluded. If you haven't contacted your legislators yet, shame on you---do it, right fucking now. Particularly you seniors: if we go over the cliff in the next day or so, Social Security checks won't go out, and whatever you have in the way of retirement assets will be gutted by a plunge in the markets. Get busy, immediately.

[Mr.Bill]

26. Boehner may cave, but unfortunately

he has shown very little evidence lately that he is in control of the loonies in his caucus.

[gopiscrap]

27. wow look at that, that's not exactly a bunch of progressives oin that list

this just goes to show how out of touch the fucking teabillies are.

[robinlynne]

28. You missed the big BUT. (however, entitlement spending must be cut). The way it is highlighted makes

it look as though they are saying what we would like to hear.

[Cha]

31. Make that everyone except me.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023856564

[JCMach1]

32. Unfortunately, Jim DeMint at Heritage Action is now the new Speaker of the House...

[jessie04]

36. You don't want to f**k with the Kansas Grain and Feed Association.

nt