[Breaking news update 3:45 p.m.] House Republicans have dropped two demands related to Obamacare

[a kennedy]

House Republicans have dropped two demands related to Obamacare from their proposal to end the fiscal stalemate in Washington, sources told CNN. These include a proposal to delay the medical device tax and another to tighten income verification of those seeking subsidies to purchase health insurance under the Affordable Care Act. Separately, Republican Rep. Devin Nunes of California told CNN's Dana Bash that he expects the House to vote on Tuesday night on its plan to reopen the government and avoid a possible U.S. default.

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[spanone]

1. k&r...

[geek tragedy]

2. Their genius plan is to have the c.r. expire 12/15 instead of January 15.

Why?

Because that will give them a chance to shut down the government over Obamacare again before it enters into full force on January 1.

That's how stupid the Teabillies are.

[alcibiades_mystery]

7. They shut down the government over this shit again ten days before Christmas?

Ooooof.

They'll be decimated next November. People remember when they can't get their kids Christmas presents.

[geek tragedy]

11. Boehner is seeking to pander to dumbest of the craziest with this. nt

[alcibiades_mystery]

19. Thankfully,despite perceptions, there are not that many of the dumbest of the craziest

[geek tragedy]

26. How stupid are they? They insisted on taking out the medical device tax repeal.

That's right, they insisted on removing a tax repeal from the package.

Why?

Because they think that leaving the medical device tax intact will give Democrats more incentive to vote to defund or delay the entire ACA by a year.

[lumberjack_jeff]

21. Works for me. n/t

[libdem4life]

28. Pretty damn low holding Santa Claus hostage. Imagine the cable news stories.

[Kber]

8. Yeah well I say bring it on!

[BadgerKid]

34. Also provides room to cash out of the market. n/t

[flamingdem]

3. Drop 'em all suckers

& then your pantalones so you can get spanked by the electorate!

[randome]

9. I did not need that imagery.

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[flamingdem]

24. That image is a bit

unappetizing, my heartfelt apologies!

[MSMITH33156]

4. So, then what do they want?

If it is to restrict flexibility for the Treasury to use "extraordinary measures", they can stick up their ass. What they are basically saying is we have to do it again shortly.

[Alhena]

6. The Vitter amendment

putting Congress members and their staffs on Obamacare with no subsidies.

This is the scenario I worried about, because it has like 90% support in the polls. Do we really keep the govt shut down over a proposal with 90% public support?

[sharp_stick]

10. If I read the Vitter amendment

properly, and that's no guarantee given the idiocy that the GOP uses as language it only restricts members, not staffers anymore, from subsidies and it would be useless in any case as all of them are covered by non Obamacare insurance.

[jeff47]

13. Actually, no.

Grassley thought he'd put a "gotcha!" into the ACA by requiring Congress and their staffers to buy insurance on the exchanges. See, he'd propose that and Democrats would refuse to pass it. Then the Republicans would have a talking point.

Democrats passed it.

The OMB ruled that they can still provide an "employer contribution" to the cost of these plans, but they were still buying the plans on the exchanges.

The Vitter amendment removes that employer contribution. It's also unconstitutional. Congressional pay changes can not take effect until a new Congress is elected.

[randome]

16. So let's sign it and put it on the back burner at the DOJ.

Eventually, someday, it will get to the Supreme Court.
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[jeff47]

29. It's only unconstitutional until 2015.

It would be enforceable on the new Congress, and their aides.

Given that lots of aides are making about $30k/year, are not eligible for subsidies nor Medicaid, it would be a very bad thing for them. And it could not be reversed until 2017.

[randome]

31. That's plenty of time to reverse it, though.

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[jeff47]

32. It would be the "win" the tebaggers got from the shutdown. They won't let it be reversed.

And the suffering of their own aides would be proof of just how bad Obamacare is.

[sharp_stick]

20. Thanks

I knew that if Vitter had something to do with it there must be a massive FUBAR in there somewhere, just not where I thought it would be.

[jeff47]

15. The Vitter amendment is unconstitutional.

Any change to Congress's pay can not take effect until a new Congress is elected. So they can't yank the "employer contribution" now, they'd have to wait until 2015. The Vitter amendment does not do this.

[lumberjack_jeff]

22. Sign it and treat the Vitter amendment as a joke.

The CBO is supposed to score the economic effect of legislation. If the economic effect of the Vitter amendment is zero, then it deserves ridicule.

[notadmblnd]

27. That's what they're going for, breaking now on MSNBC

[Kber]

5. Well then...

[BluegrassStateBlues]

12. Latest news is that the TEA PARTY Caucus is trying to keep the medical device tax now...

But going back to demanding a delay of the individual mandate.

[Liberalynn]

14. They don't want to settle this they never did

They want default and I think Boner is willing to let them have it.

Wish I didn't think that but I do.

[Alhena]

18. I really hope the hard core tea party guys stick by a delay of the individual mandate

because that means the House won't pass anything.

An extension plus Vitter is what worries me because that's their best play politically. I'm hoping the Bachman crowd won't accept that and will insist on something major that won't pass.

[ChangeUp106]

17. Ted YooHoo was just on CNN

Called deal "unacceptable."

Future of world economy comes down to about 20-30 lunatics in the House.

[a kennedy]

23. how does this happen?? D*mn.

[BluegrassStateBlues]

25. When the balance of powers is weighted with an unbalanced bunch. nt

[Gothmog]

30. Plan has poison pill on the ban on extraordinary measures to deal with debt

This is a true poison pill and should be rejected

[kestrel91316]

33. Hang tight and make them drop ALL THEIR OTHER DEMANDS, too.