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Holy shit, per MSNBC and Ed Schultz No House vote (Original Post) gopiscrap Oct 2013 OP
K&R AzDar Oct 2013 #1
Screw the Tea Party Robbins Oct 2013 #2
Democrats care about their country my than the ignorant teabillies do! gopiscrap Oct 2013 #5
They somehow think this will lead to an Obama impeachment. Blue Idaho Oct 2013 #6
they're hoping Obama unilaterally extends the debt ceiling and gopiscrap Oct 2013 #11
Obama said that is something he will not do Lifelong Dem Oct 2013 #38
yeah frog64 Oct 2013 #40
welcome to DU gopiscrap Oct 2013 #41
TYT had a clip of Gohmert saying BarackTheVote Oct 2013 #50
Congress critters can't be impeached enlightenment Oct 2013 #14
I can dream can't I? ;-) Blue Idaho Oct 2013 #16
It's about all we're going to have left, so enlightenment Oct 2013 #26
What about recalls? kmlisle Oct 2013 #60
Fascinating question - enlightenment Oct 2013 #61
They can't be impeached, no... theKed Oct 2013 #63
maybe the impeachment of John PatrynXX Oct 2013 #42
Can't FreedomWorks just go broke already? nt Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2013 #3
Here we go. What is in store for us tomorrow, you teabag fuck sticks? Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #4
It's December redux. nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #7
we'll see. you're probably right. Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #10
they don't care about christmas hopemountain Oct 2013 #36
Tea Party members aren't Christian PatrynXX Oct 2013 #43
Christmans would be perfect for them. pangaia Oct 2013 #52
No kidding, tomorrow is going to be brutal gopiscrap Oct 2013 #8
Huge sell-off. AngryOldDem Oct 2013 #24
Yep, just saw a Tweet on that.. Cha Oct 2013 #9
So now what? Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #12
fuck if I know.. :( Cha Oct 2013 #25
Heritage Action malaise Oct 2013 #13
What kind of "Heritage" does this foundation stand for? Blue Owl Oct 2013 #15
agreed gopiscrap Oct 2013 #19
wowser. i really did not think they would do it. nt seabeyond Oct 2013 #17
Time for the Senate to get back on it. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2013 #18
The problem is, the Senate CAN'T... regnaD kciN Oct 2013 #31
No superpower on Earth would allow these fools to walk around freely for doing what they do. nt BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #20
As the old timers said when I was a kid, " benld74 Oct 2013 #21
I have a great bumper sticker.... Cadfael Oct 2013 #35
I hope I'm wrong, but I think this makes default almost a certainty. AngryOldDem Oct 2013 #22
I am afraid you're right gopiscrap Oct 2013 #27
Obama should not take the weight of these racists flamingdem Oct 2013 #23
Very telling article! displacedtexan Oct 2013 #28
Because preventing other people from violating your religion is a matter of conscience starroute Oct 2013 #32
I think this means the only thing left is the Senate bill. DCBob Oct 2013 #29
Can the FBI arrest them and charge them with sedition? Fawke Em Oct 2013 #30
Freedom works is peter Thiele, right? Google him and quake with fear. LiberalLoner Oct 2013 #33
But, but, but, the Koch (suckers) said they were not in favor of a shutdown?! Roland99 Oct 2013 #34
Boehner Puts Off Vote as G.O.P. Balks steve2470 Oct 2013 #37
"Under the new plan...." Volaris Oct 2013 #47
Republican Economic Terrorism. blkmusclmachine Oct 2013 #39
Thank you, Jim DeMint Samantha Oct 2013 #44
These con men who told everyone to sell their gold cheap are looking to cash in too. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #45
DICK ARMEY AND HIS ARMY OF DICKS. madinmaryland Oct 2013 #46
No, that's not the Heritage Foundation Jack Rabbit Oct 2013 #48
Why the backtrack from Heritage Foundation? They suspended toolkit push last week. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2013 #49
Disaster Capitalism has come to America. pangaia Oct 2013 #51
Don't tell me, let me guess . . . Brigid Oct 2013 #57
:>))) No, for now they will stick it out. pangaia Oct 2013 #58
Where is the outrage? Thenewire Oct 2013 #53
Exactly why anyone would vote for these fuckers is beyond me gopiscrap Oct 2013 #54
It is *not* "The Tea Party". It's the Republican Party doing this business. delrem Oct 2013 #55
What you said exactly. The tea party and Cruz are just scapegoats. n/t A Simple Game Oct 2013 #59
Too bad I missed Ed tonight. Brigid Oct 2013 #56
Heritage ACTION group, to be precise. grasswire Oct 2013 #62

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
2. Screw the Tea Party
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 05:58 PM
Oct 2013

They are going to screw the country. God i hate them.

Democrats under reagan didn't do this. Democrats didn't pull this over Junior with Iraq.

Blue Idaho

(5,049 posts)
6. They somehow think this will lead to an Obama impeachment.
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 06:02 PM
Oct 2013

They are completely insane. It is their dereliction of duty that is destroying the country. The President can't bring the bills before congress or vote on them he can only sign them into law. if there's an impeachment its the Baggers that should be walking the plank.

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)
11. they're hoping Obama unilaterally extends the debt ceiling and
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 06:04 PM
Oct 2013

if he does that, then they will go for impeachment on some fucked up ground or another.

BarackTheVote

(938 posts)
50. TYT had a clip of Gohmert saying
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 08:01 PM
Oct 2013

if the president didn't invoke the 14th amendment, it would be an impeachable offence. Anyone else catch that?

kmlisle

(276 posts)
60. What about recalls?
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 09:25 PM
Oct 2013

Yoho is my congress critter and I am dreaming of a recall with an independent challenger because a lot of repubs in the district would probably not vote for a dem but would vote for an independent. In fact a lot of the republicans I worked with have become independents since the advent in Florida of Governor Voldemort. Anyone know how to do this? Do you need a petition? Is it possible on a federal level?

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
61. Fascinating question -
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 10:20 PM
Oct 2013

It's one of those murky areas of Constitutional law. There is nothing specific that forbids the recall of federal officials - but it has never been done.

Presumably, it would operate the same way recall works in the states that allow it for state officials (my state, Nevada, allows for this process) - via petition and then a special ballot issue.

You might find this opinion interesting (I did!):

http://www.uscitizensassociation.com/pdfs/Recalling%20U.S.%20Senators%20and%20Congressmen.pdf

theKed

(1,235 posts)
63. They can't be impeached, no...
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 03:17 AM
Oct 2013

but there are measures that can be taken. Per Article 1, Section 5 of the Constitution, a two-thirds majority in the house can expel any member. This, naturally, is very seldom used. 3 of the 5 representatives ever expelled were for joining the Confederates. It's a pretty high bar to reach for, but maybe not completely out of reach depending on what the teabaggers do to the nation and their party.

More plausible is censure. This only requires a straight majority, and it's not entirely implausible that 17 moderate republicans might be drummed up to take the extreme-right-bat-shit-crazies to task for their bullshit games of chicken. Censure requires the offending party to give up any committee chairs they may hold, curbing a lot of their influence, and - as a nice bonus - comes with a scathing, very public, verbal condemnation on the House floor. Might be a helluva nice gift to give to any challengers in their districts come next year's elections.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
42. maybe the impeachment of John
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 07:32 PM
Oct 2013

over that stupid rule that rigged the shutdown. he has more to worry about getting impeached than Obama. the votes are there to impeach John Boner not Obama..

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
10. we'll see. you're probably right.
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 06:04 PM
Oct 2013

then I would LOVE to see these ass holes try to shut down during Christmas.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
43. Tea Party members aren't Christian
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 07:33 PM
Oct 2013

they are devil worshipers. Nothing else explains their lack of feeling.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
24. Huge sell-off.
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 06:18 PM
Oct 2013

Dow will be in a free-fall, especially since Fitch has put the U.S. on negative watch.

Happy now, teabaggers??????

Cha

(297,274 posts)
9. Yep, just saw a Tweet on that..
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 06:03 PM
Oct 2013

Suzy Khimm ✔ @SuzyKhimm
That was fast. MT @LukeRussert WHOA House Rules Comt mtg has been postponed subject to the rule of the chair. Means bill will be delayed FlowerInFaith @FlowerInFaith @SuzyKhimm @jedlewison @LukeRussert Heritage Speaks and Boehner bows. Not to Am people or world economy. Here's why: http://heritageaction.com/key-votes/key-vote-no-on-house-spending-and-debt-deal/ …11:50 AM - 15 Oct 2013

Key Vote: “NO” on House Spending and Debt Deal
By dan holler @danholler
Tonight, the House is scheduled to vote on a plan that would extend government funding to December 15 and the debt ceiling through February 7 in exchange for overturning the Office of Personnel...

Heritage Action @Heritage_Action

http://theobamadiary.com/2013/10/15/medal-of-honor-captain-william-swenson/#comments

Blue Owl

(50,393 posts)
15. What kind of "Heritage" does this foundation stand for?
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 06:06 PM
Oct 2013

The heritage of overriding democracy and the will of the people?

The heritage of denying a president their "mandate"?

May this be a death blow for these nutjob outfits...

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
31. The problem is, the Senate CAN'T...
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 06:27 PM
Oct 2013

For a bill to be voted on in the Senate without days of procedural delays (in other words, too late to help), it has to come from the House first. The only alternative would be to waive the Senate rules, which requires UNANIMOUS consent…and Cruz (of course) has already vowed to block such a move.

Basically, we're screwed.

Cadfael

(1,297 posts)
35. I have a great bumper sticker....
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 06:54 PM
Oct 2013

On a car that is no longer running that says: "Where are the Republicans taking us and why are we in this hand basket?"

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
22. I hope I'm wrong, but I think this makes default almost a certainty.
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 06:16 PM
Oct 2013

It's clear the House GOP has no intention of negotiating, or compromising, and Boehner doesn't have the sack to do anything about it.

A handful of crazies brings this country to its knees. Never thought I'd see the day.

If the rationale is fear for their jobs, just what the fuck will be left to govern if everything is in smoking ruins???

Assholes. Complete and utter assholes, every last one of them.


displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
28. Very telling article!
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 06:24 PM
Oct 2013

Quote: One House Republican said Tuesday that the shorter deadline — a Senate proposal pushes the continuing resolution to Jan. 15 — is aimed at limiting contraception coverage under the law.
"It boils down to conscience protections that basically become compromised on the first of January, and that's bothersome to a lot of people," Rep. Steve Womack (R-Ariz.) said.


"It concerns me but it concerns a lot of people in our conference that a provision of the Affordable Care Act goes into effect and that is a violation of the conscious beliefs of a lot of members of our party."


Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/economy/328691-heritage-action-opposes-latest-house-fiscal-plan#ixzz2hpeN1ZHz
Follow us: @thehill on Twitter | TheHill on Facebook

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
29. I think this means the only thing left is the Senate bill.
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 06:26 PM
Oct 2013

Which should pass the Senate and will probably pass in the House if Boehner allows it to come to vote.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
30. Can the FBI arrest them and charge them with sedition?
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 06:27 PM
Oct 2013

Treason?

Defaulting on our debts is prohibited by the US Constitution, for Pete's sake!

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
37. Boehner Puts Off Vote as G.O.P. Balks
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 07:00 PM
Oct 2013
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/16/us/politics/congress-budget-debate.html

WASHINGTON — On the brink of a historic default, House Republicans on Tuesday abruptly postponed a vote on their latest proposal to reopen the government and raise the debt limit, as a major credit agency warned that the United states was on the verge of a costly ratings downgrade.

Hard-line conservatives and more pragmatic Republicans were nearing open revolt Tuesday evening, after House Republican leadership rushed out a new bill in the afternoon, forcing a postponement of any vote on the measure. With the latest delay, chances increased that a resolution would not be reached before the Treasury exhausted its borrowing authority on Thursday.

After failing in repeated efforts to bring their troops behind any bill that would end the budget dispute, the House Republican leadership offered a bill Tuesday afternoon that would reopen the government through Dec. 15, extend the government’s borrowing authority until Feb. 7 and eliminate government contributions to lawmakers, White House officials and their staffs for their purchases of health insurance on the new insurance exchanges.

Under the new plan, the Treasury Department would be forbidden to use “extraordinary measures” — juggling government accounts — to extend its borrowing capabilities.

Volaris

(10,271 posts)
47. "Under the new plan...."
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 07:47 PM
Oct 2013

Well thats just a Dick move.."hey Treasury. We want you to have NO options except to give in to our demands for the NEXT time we make the Executive do this."

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
44. Thank you, Jim DeMint
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 07:35 PM
Oct 2013

I wonder what the people of South Carolina will think of you now -- not the politicians, the people.

Sam

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
48. No, that's not the Heritage Foundation
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 07:48 PM
Oct 2013

That's Heritage Action. The Heritage Foundation was a right wing think tank that rigged studies to come up with predicable results, like poor people are lazy and don't deserve one thin dime in aid. Heritage Action, its incarnation under the of former Senator Jim DeMint, is a right wing lobbying group out to destroy America until it elects a right wing president who doesn't know what he's doing, which is whatever the Koch brothers tell him to do.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,123 posts)
49. Why the backtrack from Heritage Foundation? They suspended toolkit push last week.
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 07:59 PM
Oct 2013

Can't find it now, but Heritage and the Koch Bros pulled the tea party back from the edge. Who pushed them back?

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
51. Disaster Capitalism has come to America.
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 08:11 PM
Oct 2013

My sister knew something like this would happen 25 years ago.
She and her husband planned for it.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
58. :>))) No, for now they will stick it out.
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 08:47 PM
Oct 2013

They have enough in cash, old and T-bill ladders to pretty much weather whatever happens. I hope...

Now in my case.... well, that's another story...
let's not even go there.

Thenewire

(130 posts)
53. Where is the outrage?
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 08:25 PM
Oct 2013

Last edited Tue Oct 15, 2013, 11:02 PM - Edit history (1)

What these fucking republicans are doing at this moment is absolutely maddening. They are actively hoping for an economic collapse the likes which bin laden only dreamed of. These people are not just evil and corrupt, they are part of the worse scum to have set foot on this planet.

Does anyone remember back in 2009 when the repubs voted to rename the democratic party? Imagine if the democrats decided to rename the republican party. Maybe something along the lines of the taliban party which is closer ideologically to the republicans of this decade then ever before. This country and the media is giving a free pass to these mentally unstable criminals we refer to as republicans. In any other part of the world these scum would not have a chance to do the damage they are doing to their country.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
55. It is *not* "The Tea Party". It's the Republican Party doing this business.
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 08:31 PM
Oct 2013

"The Tea Party" is just astroturf

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