She rejected the apology!

[bluestateguy]

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/sandra-fluke-declines-to-accept-limbaugh-apology


Video from ThinkProgress:

[nobodyspecial]

1. Maybe because it wasn't really an apology

and continues to attack her.

[barbtries]

2. i should hope so.

as far as apologies go, that one was pathetic.

[happy pulaski day]

5. I just listened to Rush.

He sounded very sincere. Perhaps some will say it's due to seven sponsors jumping ship but I fail to see how refusing an apology is an admirable trait in a human being.

[TroglodyteScholar]

11. He sincerely used more time/words defending his behavior than he did acknowledging it was wrong.

If it had been an actual apology, I might be inclined to agree with you.

Welcome to DU

[happy pulaski day]

13. Oh...You waved to me...I guess you want me gone?

If you think for a split second that I defend Rush's antics, you don't know me too well. But on the flip side, the comments here are pretty gut-churning.

[TroglodyteScholar]

17. So you have a problem with me saying welcome and waving?

Looks like you've started yourself out on the defensive.

[bongbong]

32. Gut-churning?

Nice try at the classic repig False Equivalence, as well as a good Red Herring.

How many millions of listeners on radio does DU have?
What do comments on a chat board have to do with a drug addict who has a radio show?

[kestrel91316]

33. Wow. You're not gonna be happy here. Enjoy your stay.

[msanthrope]

36. Twas all too brief......nt

[Matariki]

41. And that didn't take long at all

byebye troll

[barbtries]

19. it wasn't an apology.

he did not apologize for what he said, he apologized for his choice of words. he did not apologize for hurting and slandering her, he apologized if his choice of words offended her.
she didn't refuse an apology. he would have had to apologize for that to happen. try again.

[pipi_k]

25. Many people

call him an "entertainer".

Most entertainers are pretty good at acting.

He always manages to sound pretty sincere when he's blasting anyone he doesn't like, so he either believes every word that comes out of his mouth, or he's a consummate actor.

While it is nice if a person accepts an apology, it's also the mark of a person with class who "sincerely" apologizes BEFORE the shit hits the fan...not AFTER.

[TalkingDog]

35. You mean the same way he sounded sincere

when he denied the illegal bottle of Viagra after his trip to the Dominican Republic which, by the way, is a well-know child-sex tourism destination. One has to wonder, were those kids "sluts" or just child "prostitutes"?

[Matariki]

39. Kber put it very well in this post

[link:http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002380208|Before I am required to accept an apology and grant forgiveness (acording to my Rabbi)
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[sufrommich]

3. She's really impressive. nt

[The Second Stone]

4. Sandra Fluke for Supreme Court Justice

I like the way she fights.

[jillan]

7. Can you imagine???? hahaha ....

<- Republicans in Congress on the day she would get nominated

[happy pulaski day]

8. Really?

The only reason we know her name is that Rush said she has lots of sex and needs others to pay for her birth control. Now she is refusing his apology. Is that an admirable trait in your book? Strength is in forgiveness.

[frylock]

10. no sale

[VWolf]

12. What apology?

"I'm sorry you're offended that I called you a slut and asked for videos of you having sex" ????

Posted on a website (on a weekend, no less) as opposed to spoken over the airwaves?

To forgive, divine ... provided the apology is sincere.

BTW, welcome to DU, and enjoy your stay!

Pepperoni and cheese?

[happy pulaski day]

15. Nah, I don't eat dead flesh.

So basically if I don't follow in lockstep, I'm outta here. You must be SOOOO secure in your views.

[uppityperson]

21. Yes, you are out of here. Again.

[VWolf]

23. No really. Enjoy your stay. I insist.

Yeah, I'm quite secure in my views. How 'bout you?

[SidDithers]

29. Boom goes the dynamite...

Sid

[frylock]

30. something tells me you've been booted from here before..

i'm sure you'll be gone by days end.

[TroglodyteScholar]

14. Don't worry...

MIRT's on the way.

[JustAnotherGen]

18. I'm willing to forgive you

But I can't forget - because you really really really hurt me this tiiiiiiiiime.

Song by Aretha Franklin.

She can forgive him only if she makes fun of the fact he's obese and on his fourth wife. In the meantime until she gets a REAL apology - like him down on his knees BEGGING her for forgiveness in a national advertisement that he pays for -

No goal. She ought not forgive and she ought not forget.


Sooo - if I say Rush's wife is a slut is that okay?

[BlancheSplanchnik]

20. Not exactly--- Repentance is true only when sincere

"By their fruits shall you know them"-- Strength is in Knowing the true from the false.

Discernment--knowing Truth from Lies, Right from Wrong, Good from Evil--Learn how to do it. Falling for the self serving words of a liar, a liar who has been caught in his lies many times does not confer glory in the eyes of the Lord.

[immoderate]

22. Who is "we?"

I know her because Republicans barred her from speaking. Rush did not apologize.

But, I predict that you will be gone before you can even reply to this.

--imm

[xxqqqzme]

24. Tell me that after a congressman

refuses to allow you to testify; after you and your parents have been trashed by a fat old white guy on radio for THREE days and had to endure, as a woman, yet another sit down and shut up little lady attitude. Sorry but I think many women are running low on forgiveness - at least the women I know are.

Have a friend showing up in Richmond too

[gratuitous]

27. Actually, the reason we know her name

Is that she volunteered to testify at a hearing convened by House Democrats. Apparently, the notion of a woman weighing in with her opinion on birth control so discombobulated that vile human being, he spent three days last week excoriating her for expressing herself.

Speaking solely for myself, I'm not really sure this was anything approaching a fair fight. On one side, there's a nationally-syndicated radio show host, who has a nationwide platform on the public airwaves going against a third year law student. Who has the power here? And yet, for all his vaunted "excellence in broadcasting," it appears that the vile human being overstepped the bounds, and is now trying to blame everyone else for his own actions. His "apology" (if you can call it that) would be found wanting from a seven-year-old. From an allegedly grown man, it's by turns sad, pathetic, and revolting. Anyone defending it is probably a notch below that.

[pnwmom]

28. His apology was not sincere, IMHO.

Now he sounds more contrite, but I think he's still lying because he claims he was truly sorry when he made his written statement -- and I don't believe he was.

I think the only reason he's contrite now is that he's been losing sponsors. He's a temporarily contrite bully -- I don't buy that he's seen the error of his ways.

[kestrel91316]

34. She can forgive him. The rest of us women who use(d) birth control pills won't.

It changes nothing.

She is an admirable young woman. He is the lowest form of filth, as are those who carry water for him.

Stay dry.

[Moonwalk]

37. Forgiveness doesn't mean one has to accept an apology....

The question isn't whether accepting the apology would be a good thing for her, but rather whether it would be a good thing for for him, for all the women he's insulted (and certainly wants to continue to insult with impunity), a good thing for women's rights, and for the men who think they can trample on those rights and not be called to task on that?

Consider the tenants of AA--the alcoholic can't just say he's sorry. He has to make amends. And wouldn't accepting Rush's apology be rather like accepting an apology from an alcoholic? "I'm sorry I trashed the house--"? Without any evidence that he's going to try and get sober and not trash it again?

Forgiving him and accepting the apology are two different things. Too many times, Republicans and right-wing pundits like Rush, broadcasters like Fox, say something offensive, inaccurate, bullying, and slanderous all to get their way. If people turn on them, they quickly apologize. But they they make no attempt to change their behavior. Which means that the apology is just a way to get themselves off the hook. Once accepted, the whole uproar can die down, and the pundit can go back, slowly, to doing what he did before.

She may have forgiven him or not--that's up to her and no one else. But not accepting the apology is smart. This time, she is letting him and every one else know (including the republicans who wouldn't let a woman testify on contraception) that "sorry" isn't going to be good enough. They don't get to sweep their mistake under the rug this time. It's going to stay out where everyone can see it, and they are going to have to admit they made it and fix it and promise never to do it again if they really want to continue on. This isn't about her and the power of forgiveness for her, it's about not letting anyone off the hook till they prove they are willing to make amends and change.

[pnwmom]

43. So you forgave him for saying how ugly 12 year old Amy Carter was.

And then you forgave him for saying Chelsea Clinton was a dog.

And now you want to forgive him for insisting, repeatedly over the course of days, that this law student was slut and a prostitute?

Are there any limits to your forgiveness? You must be a saint.

Or maybe you didn't hear what else he said today. To paraphrase, he learned to talk this way from people like YOU -- "leftists."

"I acted too much like the leftists who despise me," Limbaugh said on today's show, according to a transcript at his website. "I descended to their level, using names and exaggerations to describe Sandra Fluke. It was wrong, and that's why I've apologized."

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2012/03/05/bloomberg_articlesM0FDK56K50YA01-M0FJD.DTL#ixzz1oHXcxLqE

[BlueCaliDem]

6. This young woman should run for Congress!

Wonderful young lady who doesn't immediately buckle for a non-apology apology. He did make it personal, and he wasn't trying to be humorous AT. ALL. Everybody with half a working brain can see that.

She did the correct thing by now accepting Limpball's non-apology as an apology. I hope she keeps this going until that huge blowhard finally issues a humble and sincere apology, not only to her, but to all the women he's thrown under the bus. Maybe his diehard rightwing male fans will begin to finally understand women aren't their playthings or property.

[randome]

40. That's a little much.

We don't know much about her except that she stood up to an asshole. Just want to keep things in perspective -that doesn't mean she is Congress material. In fact, speaking truth to powerful assholes is kind of a no-no for Congress.

[BlueCaliDem]

42. Not "much" at all.

I've seen far worse in either party, so it's not a stretch.

Sandra Fluke is only 30, but she's more than qualified to be a U.S. Congressperson. I don't know why you have a problem with that.

And, btw, this wasn't just any asshole. This one is the biggest, most influential rightwing asshole there is, and it takes a LOT of courage to stand up to Limpballs when even people like Bush and Cheney didn't dare. So please, don't pooh-pooh this incredible display of courage by this intelligent young woman as if she'd just only stand up to a crossing guard. That's belittling her.

[immoderate]

9. A star is born!

Ya gotta love Sandra Fluke.

I can see why she was chosen. She knows her shit. By denying her the chance to speak, the hapless Republicans have already promoted her to "credible congressional candidate!"


--imm

[Tomay]

16. She definitely has nerves of steel

Limbaugh's Neanderthal followers have been slandering her non-stop all weekend, but Fluke held her ground with dignity.

[ProfessionalLeftist]

26. Can't accept something that doesn't exist. n/t

[kestrel91316]

31. Good. Now she needs to sue his a-- to Kingdom Come.

[Jamaal510]

38. That's a smart move, Sandra.

Rush badmouthed her more than once, so why SHOULD she accept his apology? Is he sorry just because he got busted by the media and had nine advertisers drop him? Mean-spirited people like him will never learn the error of their ways until it really hurts. Like how on the South Park episode "Starvin' Marvin", Cartman mocked poor people, but was then stuck in Africa with no food or water.

[FourScore]

44. She's awesome! n/t

[Manifestor_of_Light]

45. She needs to sue the bastard for slander per se!!

slamdunk case.