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IDemo

(16,926 posts)
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 03:11 PM Mar 2012

Nov. 2008 - RIP, GOP..... Nov. 2012 - RIP, GOP. Yes or no?

It seemed a done deal back then, but they came oozing back like so much radon gas and continued to permeate the political sphere with toxicity. Has the combination of the candidate clown car, Pig Boy's latest hoof in mouth episode, and a (slowly) improving economy pulled the plug at last on the freak show?

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Nov. 2008 - RIP, GOP..... Nov. 2012 - RIP, GOP. Yes or no? (Original Post) IDemo Mar 2012 OP
No. They will be ready for the election and may even take the senate. Americans are AlinPA Mar 2012 #1
Nov 2014 - RIP ... Nov 2016 - RIP ... zbdent Mar 2012 #2
HOw anyone can call the republican party a political party is beyond my kin BanTheGOP Mar 2012 #3
Wishful thinking Proud Public Servant Mar 2012 #4
Every time they get some leverage they push religion socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #5
I agree - their constant exploitation is getting dangerous. Initech Mar 2012 #19
It depends on how badly they lose Motown_Johnny Mar 2012 #6
It should be, but it should have happened in 2008 too DJ13 Mar 2012 #7
No. There are still tens of millions of idiots in this country. Arugula Latte Mar 2012 #8
The flaw in this argument is.... brooklynite Mar 2012 #9
A divided GOP becomes a conquered GOP IDemo Mar 2012 #10
Death by a thousand cuts. Every day is another brick in the GOP foundations being removed. Lint Head Mar 2012 #11
Nope, The Beast Isn't Dead Yet Vogon_Glory Mar 2012 #12
Not really. People generally vote against candidates depending on the state of the country. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2012 #13
2012 or Never: Republicans are worried this election could be their last chance to stop history. pampango Mar 2012 #14
If the corporate backed "Tea Party" the Citizens United ruling hadn't come along Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2012 #15
That's why Obama MUST win...so we can render Congress impotent BanTheGOP Mar 2012 #16
What difference does it make? malthaussen Mar 2012 #17
The reichwingers always have enough sugardaddies to hifiguy Mar 2012 #18

AlinPA

(15,071 posts)
1. No. They will be ready for the election and may even take the senate. Americans are
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 03:16 PM
Mar 2012

not smart enough to see what the GOP really is. SuperPAC money in the 10s of billions will keep them going strong.

zbdent

(35,392 posts)
2. Nov 2014 - RIP ... Nov 2016 - RIP ...
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 03:17 PM
Mar 2012

repeat.

I said it long ago (I believe in November 2006, when the "liberally-biased media" was declaring the Repugs dead) - Don't consider them dead. If there truly were a "liberally-biased media", the GOP should have been dead after Nixon.

My remarks and predictions came to fruition in 2010 ... when the "liberally-biased media" created TEA Party knocked the House out from the Dems ...

 

BanTheGOP

(1,068 posts)
3. HOw anyone can call the republican party a political party is beyond my kin
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 03:18 PM
Mar 2012

The republican party is NOT a political party as much as it is a destructive force with more terrifying power, and the proven horrendous results, against the vast majority of humanity than any other destructive force in history. I view republicans with greater malice than Americans view terrorists, and frankly, if we are going to talk about killing terrorists as policy, they they just made it that much easier for us to say what we mean: The republican party must die. Period. If it weren't illegal to say so, I'd say worse things about what should be done with republican leadership. Suffice to say that Hitler would get a cakewalk compared to what should be done to Palin, Santorum, Boehner, and Reagan's legacy. They must ALL BE DESTROYED. Period.

Proud Public Servant

(2,097 posts)
4. Wishful thinking
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 03:19 PM
Mar 2012

It's looking good for us in the White House, though there's still a lot of work to be done. But the GOP could easily retain the House and take the Senate. Then they look forward to 2016, when they actually may have a greater number of plausible presidential contenders than we do.

socialindependocrat

(1,372 posts)
5. Every time they get some leverage they push religion
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 03:19 PM
Mar 2012

I don't mind someone being conservative

but these people are religiously regressive
They are similar to the Taliban in their thinking

They want to control
They want to serve the rich and wealthy
even though they get nothing for themselves

There is no room for those who do not promote a better America
and a better life for everyone.

Initech

(100,076 posts)
19. I agree - their constant exploitation is getting dangerous.
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 05:10 PM
Mar 2012

It is seriously Taliban level thinking with the birth control issue, and their equating it with religion that is treading dangerous territory.

That "values voter" bullshit may have flown under Bush but now we're onto them. The last thing we want is a Christian Taliban takeover of our government.

I was scared shitless when after W's election the Falwell's and Robertson's were saying how W was elected by god - imagine how much worse it'll be under Santorum or Gingrich.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
6. It depends on how badly they lose
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 03:20 PM
Mar 2012

and if the different factions within the party start blaming each other for the losses.



The 2008 prediction was foolish. It was just an anti-Shrub blip. We are seeing more problems within the party itself now.

I think it is still a couple cycles away but I think that by 2020 we are going to see a major break in the party.

DJ13

(23,671 posts)
7. It should be, but it should have happened in 2008 too
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 03:24 PM
Mar 2012

About the time they've stepped in it, some idiot Democrats will save their asses (again) by insisting they need to be compromised with, which restores their credibility as a viable second party.

brooklynite

(94,572 posts)
9. The flaw in this argument is....
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 03:26 PM
Mar 2012

...that is conflates "Republican" with "Conservative".

It is possible (if unlikely) that institutionally, the Republican Party will be further weakened and either collapse or become a regional white-minority party. However, there will still be 1/3 of the electorate that has a Conservative political philosophy and they will gravitate to or form a Party to represent their interests.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
10. A divided GOP becomes a conquered GOP
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 03:33 PM
Mar 2012

Any such split resulting in a three party (or more) system would strongly favor Democrats in succeeding elections, unless a corresponding collapse of the Democratic Party occurred.

Vogon_Glory

(9,118 posts)
12. Nope, The Beast Isn't Dead Yet
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 04:03 PM
Mar 2012

I suspect that things look promising as far as Mr. Obama keeping the White House. Unfortunately, I think that the Republicans will still keep at least as much of the clout they currently have in the US Senate, as well as the clout they have in state legislatures and governors' mansions across the land.

I'd hoped to see the Republican Party go into a terminal Whig-like tailspin by 2016. Unfortunately for the rest of the country, that day of doom has been postphoned for at least four to six years.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
13. Not really. People generally vote against candidates depending on the state of the country.
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 04:07 PM
Mar 2012

Obama won in '08 because of Bush and the capitalists making such a hash of everything and people were fed up with those in power.

Obama will win this time, not because people are happy with him, but because the Repubs have absolutely nothing to offer except a worse flavor of more of the same.

Sooner, or later, the Democrats will either screw up enough to piss off enough people to vote against them or events that have little to do with politics will make people yearn for "change".

Right now, people are pretty fed up with politicians and politics in general but the Repubs have managed to alienate every demographic except ill-educated white males. At some point, they'll realize that making everyone but white males hate them isn't smart politics and rid themselves of the flag waving loonies.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
14. 2012 or Never: Republicans are worried this election could be their last chance to stop history.
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 04:14 PM
Mar 2012
This is fear talking. But not paranoia.


Newt Gingrich supporters listen to his stump speech at a campaign event in South Carolina.

Of the various expressions of right-wing hysteria that have flowered over the past three years—goldbuggery, birtherism, death panels at home and imaginary apology tours by President Obama abroad—perhaps the strain that has taken deepest root within mainstream Republican circles is the terror that the achievements of the Obama administration may be irreversible, and that the time remaining to stop permanent nightfall is dwindling away.

The Republican Party is in the grips of many fever dreams. But this is not one of them. To be sure, the apocalyptic ideological analysis—that “freedom” is incompatible with Clinton-era tax rates and Massachusetts-style health care—is pure crazy. But the panicked strategic analysis, and the sense of urgency it gives rise to, is actually quite sound. The modern GOP—the party of Nixon, Reagan, and both Bushes—is staring down its own demographic extinction. Right-wing warnings of impending tyranny express, in hyperbolic form, well-grounded dread: that conservative America will soon come to be dominated, in a semi-permanent fashion, by an ascendant Democratic coalition hostile to its outlook and interests. And this impending doom has colored the party’s frantic, fearful response to the Obama presidency.

In the cold calculus of game theory, the expected response to this state of affairs would be to accommodate yourself to the growing strength of the opposing coalition—to persuade pockets of voters on the Democratic margins they might be better served by Republicans. Yet the psychology of decline does not always operate in a straightforward, rational way. A strategy of managing slow decay is unpleasant, and history is replete with instances of leaders who persuaded themselves of the opposite of the obvious conclusion. Rather than adjust themselves to their slowly weakening position, they chose instead to stage a decisive confrontation. If the terms of the fight grow more unfavorable with every passing year, well, all the more reason to have the fight sooner.

At varying levels of conscious and subconscious thought, this is also the reasoning that has driven Republicans in the Obama era. Surveying the landscape, they have concluded that they must strike quickly and decisively at the opposition before all hope is lost. ...Of course, both parties make use of end-times rhetoric, especially in election season. What’s novel about the current spate of Republican millennialism is that it’s not a mere rhetorical device to rally the faithful, nor even simply an expression of free-­floating terror, but the premise of an electoral strategy.

http://nymag.com/print/?/news/features/gop-primary-chait-2012-3/

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
15. If the corporate backed "Tea Party" the Citizens United ruling hadn't come along
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 04:22 PM
Mar 2012

would the GOP be where they are now? Would they have done so well in 2010 without both of these things? My reading is that that the TP helped revitalize the GOP and helped them sweep the 2010 midterms but how long with that help them? They have become a slowly rotting corpse of a party IMHO since about 2006. As the demographics continue to shift and the fringe in their party continue to alienate key groups, I don't know how they can maintain their electoral viability. They will continue to remain competitive for awhile because of money, as well as their concerted efforts to disenfranchise voters they don't like, but that only works as long as they hold on to power, which is IMHO tenuous at best in most places outside of the south.

 

BanTheGOP

(1,068 posts)
16. That's why Obama MUST win...so we can render Congress impotent
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 04:33 PM
Mar 2012

If Obama wins, as long as we maintain at least 40% of the senate, it won't matter. We can render Congress to nothingness and instead establish our progressive agenda through executive orders. We CAN do whatever it takes to get this country, and in extension the planet, away from the brink of extinction by repatriating our wealth and ensuring our policies benefit everyone, not just the 1% republican elite. Pure and simple.

malthaussen

(17,195 posts)
17. What difference does it make?
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 04:36 PM
Mar 2012

If there were no GOP, it would be necessary to invent one. It is a sad but well-documented fact that at least one-third of all Americans are certifiably insane. The GOP is their party, and killing it will not kill the insanity.

-- Mal

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
18. The reichwingers always have enough sugardaddies to
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 05:06 PM
Mar 2012

pump the money in and resuscitate the zombie's corpse. They always will.

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