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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNo, women wouldn't have solved it sooner. (Why gender stereotypes don't help women)
http://www.salon.com/2013/10/17/women_are_not_here_to_clean_up_the_worlds_messes/Women in Congress dont succeed because they are women. They succeed because they happen to be good at their jobs. (Even if, like Bachmann, your job is to be a wildly self-promotional and obstructionist jerk.)
Arguments exalting women for their rationality and ability to do it better than the boys, specifically in this moment of domestic and global crisis, also put women in a traditionally female position of cleaning up other peoples messes. So John Boehner allowed an extreme minority of the Republican party to take the country hostage for 16 days? Boys will be boys! Relax and let the women of Congress clean House.
Rosin seems to concede this framing when she references Icelands economic turnaround under female leaders using a quote from IMF chief Christine Lagarde. She explained how women brought Iceland out of its recession. After the economy crashed, the banks, the funds, the government everything was taken over by women, [Lagarde] told The Wall Street Journal. So when its messy, you get the women in. But when the mess is sorted, she added, keep the women.
Such narratives are enticing, but gender parity in politics is important because women make up 50 percent of the population, not because of any secret magic powers they possess. As half the population, it only makes sense, is only fair, to have women make up the same proportion of our political representatives.
Dash87
(3,220 posts)I think praising individuals is due, and praising the role of women in congress is due, but saying things like, "only a woman could have done this" is really silly and counterproductive.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i am not into this at all. excuses the inexcusable for men and creates a nonreality for women.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)"She's a good stripper because of her girlie parts"? Imagine the campaign posters -- "Vagina brings us together!"
You know you're on a bad date when they can't stop referencing your breasts.
It also let's men off the hook for their bad behavior. "Boys will be boys" leads to boys making country club business deals to being obstinate politicians to Tailhook scandals to wilding gang rapes. Meanwhile, there are plenty of Gandhis, MLKs, Obamas, Pasteurs, etc. etc., etc. who were all men that we could be encouraging our boys to emulate as men. And it shouldn't even be about them being men -- or not being men --but about being people who reach for things bigger than themselves (or their genitalia).
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)him, it is ok, now get back to work.
CK_John
(10,005 posts)scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)You don't have to have a Y chromosome to be a crazy.
kwolf68
(7,365 posts)It's kind of like the "roll call" of various races to take their turn at the Presidency. We'll, we've had a black Prez...now lets get a women? Or a hispanic?
How about, lets just get the best person for the job.
Women are not a damn bit better (or worse) than men in governance. If the likes of Bachmann, Blackburn and others didn't exist I'd think differently.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Congress would probably look a lot more like America, with more women and people of color in it and in other positions of power. Our society creates barriers all the way from birth for people other than white men to even reach a point where they're prepared to be a candidate, let alone to where they're a candidate and have a good chance of being elected.
I don't really think the system is set up for the best person to get the job as far as government elected positions go.
Skittles
(153,170 posts)no female president and we are OVER HALF THE POPULATION - that is sheer SEXISM
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)take issue with being called 'girls' in matters of State and of business. Both words are cheap shots.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)She was talking about two childish sayings - "Girls are better than boys" and "boys will be boys." The stereotype that is being used about women relies on those two childish ideas.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)children. wtf???? lol
Tigress DEM
(7,887 posts)I also think there are many excellent men out there to elect.
HOWEVER, lets talk about the WHY of the perception.
Go back to our society as hunters and gatherers and you see that whole macho gun toting mentality in it's infancy.
Women gather together and work together by the nature of the work they do as Mothers and the need to integrate their children into society.
Physically we are wired with a more verbal mentality and the right and left sides of our brains still converse a bit more than the average male, allowing us a slight advantage in multitasking.
We're allowed to feel more deeply and are likely to be peacemakers because losing soldiers means losing family members.
NOW a lot of this can be true about many men as well, so I say look for these advantageous attributes in a candidate moving forward and get away from all the labeling of MALE vs FEMALE because it's too simplistic and doesn't help bring consensus or promote women accurately anyway.
You are right. JUST being a woman isn't enough. Bachmann and Coulter are proof of that. Shudder
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)cynatnite
(31,011 posts)Oh, that's right.
FAIL!
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)secret magic powers?
Ooops - now it's not a secret. Damn.