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gollygee

(22,336 posts)
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 08:36 AM Oct 2013

No, women wouldn't have solved it sooner. (Why gender stereotypes don't help women)

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/17/women_are_not_here_to_clean_up_the_worlds_messes/

Women in Congress don’t succeed because they are women. They succeed because they happen to be good at their jobs. (Even if, like Bachmann, your “job” is to be a wildly self-promotional and obstructionist jerk.)

Arguments exalting women for their rationality and ability to do it “better than the boys,” specifically in this moment of domestic and global crisis, also put women in a traditionally female position of cleaning up other people’s messes. So John Boehner allowed an extreme minority of the Republican party to take the country hostage for 16 days? Boys will be boys! Relax and let the women of Congress clean House.

Rosin seems to concede this framing when she references Iceland’s economic turnaround under female leaders using a quote from IMF chief Christine Lagarde. “She explained how women brought Iceland out of its recession. After the economy crashed, ‘the banks, the funds, the government — everything was taken over by women,’ [Lagarde] told The Wall Street Journal. ‘So when it’s messy, you get the women in. But when the mess is sorted,’ she added, ‘keep the women.’”

Such narratives are enticing, but gender parity in politics is important because women make up 50 percent of the population, not because of any secret magic powers they possess. As half the population, it only makes sense, is only fair, to have women make up the same proportion of our political representatives.
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No, women wouldn't have solved it sooner. (Why gender stereotypes don't help women) (Original Post) gollygee Oct 2013 OP
Yup. What a silly concept. Dash87 Oct 2013 #1
. Orrex Oct 2013 #2
agree. it is like i am seeing the kicking of a little dirt and oh, shucks. from the boys. seabeyond Oct 2013 #3
Is it just me or do, "She's a good politician because of her girlie parts" come off as akin to Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #12
exactly. i am so feeling like mommy patting johnny on the head and condescendingly telling seabeyond Oct 2013 #13
Women woundn't have put us in the position to do so much harm to begin with.EMO. CK_John Oct 2013 #4
Bachmann, Palin, Coulter, Blackburn are all women scheming daemons Oct 2013 #5
It's silly and it makes me uncomfortable kwolf68 Oct 2013 #6
If we always got the best person for the job gollygee Oct 2013 #7
THANK YOU Skittles Oct 2013 #16
Speaking for myself alone, I dislike it when men are called 'boys' much as women Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #8
She wasn't calling anyone a boy gollygee Oct 2013 #9
exactly. i just used it in my post above cause i feel like as a nation, we have all been reduced to seabeyond Oct 2013 #14
In general, women ARE brought up differently in our culture. It CAN be a benefit for public service. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #10
It's also silly when John Mcain was pushing harder than Susan Collins. Schema Thing Oct 2013 #11
Let's look at history when women were in charge.... cynatnite Oct 2013 #15
So, I'm the only woman here that has ohheckyeah Oct 2013 #17
Thank you for putting all those women in their places. Bucky Oct 2013 #18

Dash87

(3,220 posts)
1. Yup. What a silly concept.
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 08:39 AM
Oct 2013

I think praising individuals is due, and praising the role of women in congress is due, but saying things like, "only a woman could have done this" is really silly and counterproductive.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
3. agree. it is like i am seeing the kicking of a little dirt and oh, shucks. from the boys.
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 08:45 AM
Oct 2013

i am not into this at all. excuses the inexcusable for men and creates a nonreality for women.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
12. Is it just me or do, "She's a good politician because of her girlie parts" come off as akin to
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 09:48 AM
Oct 2013

"She's a good stripper because of her girlie parts"? Imagine the campaign posters -- "Vagina brings us together!"

You know you're on a bad date when they can't stop referencing your breasts.

It also let's men off the hook for their bad behavior. "Boys will be boys" leads to boys making country club business deals to being obstinate politicians to Tailhook scandals to wilding gang rapes. Meanwhile, there are plenty of Gandhis, MLKs, Obamas, Pasteurs, etc. etc., etc. who were all men that we could be encouraging our boys to emulate as men. And it shouldn't even be about them being men -- or not being men --but about being people who reach for things bigger than themselves (or their genitalia).

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
13. exactly. i am so feeling like mommy patting johnny on the head and condescendingly telling
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 09:50 AM
Oct 2013

him, it is ok, now get back to work.

 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
5. Bachmann, Palin, Coulter, Blackburn are all women
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 09:00 AM
Oct 2013

You don't have to have a Y chromosome to be a crazy.

kwolf68

(7,365 posts)
6. It's silly and it makes me uncomfortable
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 09:05 AM
Oct 2013

It's kind of like the "roll call" of various races to take their turn at the Presidency. We'll, we've had a black Prez...now lets get a women? Or a hispanic?

How about, lets just get the best person for the job.

Women are not a damn bit better (or worse) than men in governance. If the likes of Bachmann, Blackburn and others didn't exist I'd think differently.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
7. If we always got the best person for the job
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 09:15 AM
Oct 2013

Congress would probably look a lot more like America, with more women and people of color in it and in other positions of power. Our society creates barriers all the way from birth for people other than white men to even reach a point where they're prepared to be a candidate, let alone to where they're a candidate and have a good chance of being elected.

I don't really think the system is set up for the best person to get the job as far as government elected positions go.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
8. Speaking for myself alone, I dislike it when men are called 'boys' much as women
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 09:31 AM
Oct 2013

take issue with being called 'girls' in matters of State and of business. Both words are cheap shots.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
9. She wasn't calling anyone a boy
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 09:34 AM
Oct 2013

She was talking about two childish sayings - "Girls are better than boys" and "boys will be boys." The stereotype that is being used about women relies on those two childish ideas.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
14. exactly. i just used it in my post above cause i feel like as a nation, we have all been reduced to
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 09:52 AM
Oct 2013

children. wtf???? lol

Tigress DEM

(7,887 posts)
10. In general, women ARE brought up differently in our culture. It CAN be a benefit for public service.
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 09:46 AM
Oct 2013

I also think there are many excellent men out there to elect.

HOWEVER, lets talk about the WHY of the perception.

Go back to our society as hunters and gatherers and you see that whole macho gun toting mentality in it's infancy.

Women gather together and work together by the nature of the work they do as Mothers and the need to integrate their children into society.

Physically we are wired with a more verbal mentality and the right and left sides of our brains still converse a bit more than the average male, allowing us a slight advantage in multitasking.

We're allowed to feel more deeply and are likely to be peacemakers because losing soldiers means losing family members.

NOW a lot of this can be true about many men as well, so I say look for these advantageous attributes in a candidate moving forward and get away from all the labeling of MALE vs FEMALE because it's too simplistic and doesn't help bring consensus or promote women accurately anyway.

You are right. JUST being a woman isn't enough. Bachmann and Coulter are proof of that. Shudder

Bucky

(54,035 posts)
18. Thank you for putting all those women in their places.
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 01:42 PM
Oct 2013
Pssst, it's 52% of the population... and over 60% of Democratic voters
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