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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,100 posts)
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 05:11 PM Oct 2013

No, America is not a Christian nation

It’s common to hear conservatives say things like Paul Ryan did during the campaign: “Our rights come from nature and God, not from government.” Liberals shrug most of the time when they hear such rhetoric. It sounds like an empty platitude, much like praising the troops or waving the flag, that makes audiences feel good but doesn’t actually have any real-world importance. What liberals don’t understand, however, is that what sounds like an empty platitude actually signifies an elaborate, paranoid theory on the right about sneaky liberals trying to destroy America, a theory that is being used to justify all manner of incursions against religious freedom and separation of church and state.

The Christian right theory goes something like this: Once upon a time, a bunch of deeply religious Christian men revolted against the king of England and started a new nation with a Constitution based on the Bible. Being deeply religious fundamentalist Christians, they intended for their new society to reflect Christian values and the idea that rights come from God. But then a bunch of evil liberals with a secularist agenda decided to deny that our country is a Christian nation. Insisting that rights come from the government/the social contract/rational thinking, these secularists set out to dismantle our Christian nation and replace it with an unholy secularist democracy with atheists running amok and women getting abortions and gays getting married and civilization collapse. For some reason, the theory always ends with civilization collapse. The moral of the story is that we better get right with God and agree that he totally gave us our rights before the world ends. Insert dramatic music here.

None of this actually went down that way, but there are Christian right revisionist historians who are pushing this claim hard. David Barton is a major advisor to all sorts of Christian right figures and he has long promoted the completely false theory that the Founders wanted something very close to a Christian theocracy. Indeed, in their desperation to make people believe what simply isn’t true, activists on the right have even gone so far as to try to push Barton’s lies about the Founders into public school textbooks. The notion that America’s founders believed rights come “from God” goes straight back to Barton’s making-stuff-up style of “history.”

Despite the fact that liberals rarely engage them on this point, Christian right thinkers are forever ranting on about it. Rick Santorum’s speech at the Values Voter Summit this past weekend is an excellent example of the form. He delivered an inane, inaccurate lecture about the French revolution, describing it as doomed from the get-go because the revolutionaries believed in “equality, liberty, and fraternity,” which he contrasted with the Americans who supposedly believed in “paternity,” i.e. the theory that rights come from God. Rick Santorum debated the long-dead French revolutionaries, assuming that the word “fraternity” was an attempt to avoid admitting there was a God and then blaming everything bad that happened to France since then on its secularist government.

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http://www.salon.com/2013/10/17/no_america_is_not_a_christian_nation_partner/

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maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
1. Because the Constitution was written by Freemasons, duh!
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 05:15 PM
Oct 2013

And they go against God. It's so obvious, I believe I'll shout it from the lectern in Congress.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
3. Are you aware that a belief in a supreme being is a requirement for membership?
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 06:07 PM
Oct 2013

That's what kept me from joining.

gulliver

(13,186 posts)
4. "God takes his orders from me."
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 06:28 PM
Oct 2013

Of course these heretics think all power and rights flow from God. They have designated themselves God's lieutenants on Earth. In fact, they tell him what to say. That lets them outrank democracy.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
6. The USA came mainly from the enlightenment period, which was no friend of the church
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 06:50 PM
Oct 2013

Enlightenment thinkers such as John Locke, Montesquieu, Thomas Hobbes, and many others heavily influenced American's founding fathers.

They were mostly religious men who believed in God, but they didn't want the church involved with the government. This period is mainly a result of the protestant movement. And these thinkers changed the way the world is viewed as well as man's place in it. It was more of a scientific approach to reality and reason. It was a direct opposition to the Catholic Church who they considered really no different than the monarchies they were rebelling against.

When James Madison was writing the Constitution, he wasn't pulling out and referring to his Bible. He was referencing a lot of Locke and Montesquieu, guys who focused heavily on democracy and separation of powers. It had nothing to do with God.

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