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Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 12:32 PM Mar 2012

I don't think it's a pendulum swing.

Yeah, I do think changes are occurring. But not all changes are pendulum-swings. For example, the pendulum never swung back to hunting & gathering once a given society got agriculture. Likewise, I think we're on the edge of a HUGE societal change--the information revolution. Information is power, and the people are gaining access to information at unprecedented rates despite the efforts of the powerful to maintain control over the flow.

Copyrights and patents will soon be dead, and the world will be better off without them. Innovation works best when ideas are allowed to freely mingle and mutate.

As an old scholar, trained many years before the Internet age, I can only look in wonder at how the world is changing. I spent years in university libraries and gigantic computing centers.

Now I can do all that from my laptop, sitting in my old farm house surrounded by fields and woods. With a few memberships in professional organizations, I have access to hundreds of journals, and with membership in a few listserves I have access to colleagues around the world who can and will consult with me and get any articles I need for me upon request, usually within a few hours and often within minutes. I can write articles and reports at home and submit them electronically. I can find out damn near anything I want with a Google search.

Anyway, I think all this information is the ultimate defense against the Corporate State, which seeks to rule through the twin tools of force and information control (secrecy, disinformation, propaganda).

When they (as they shortly will) finally lose the information battle, the Corporatists will have nothing left but force, and when they try that, they will be overthrown. The overthrow must and will be nonviolent in nature. General strikes, simple noncompliance, all the old tactics and some new ones, all linked in a worldwide network of information transmission, like a planetary cerebral cortex, will do nicely for the purpose.

As far as Europe and the rightward swing goes, I see that as driven by desperation on the part of the international bankers. They are trying to grab everything, just like here, and they know that the endgame is approaching. They must terribly fear the Icelandic solution, and are pushing as hard as they can to nail things down before the PIIGS countries (Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece, Spain) escape from the control of their politicians.

I hail Anonymous and Wikileaks for tearing the lid off the cesspools of the world's power centers so that we all may see what floats within.

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I don't think it's a pendulum swing. (Original Post) Jackpine Radical Mar 2012 OP
We need a pendulum swing libtodeath Mar 2012 #1
Put it this way.... Junkdrawer Mar 2012 #2
Progressives have actually bought into the Right's positions to a large extent starroute Mar 2012 #7
well said. nt bbgrunt Mar 2012 #8
+100000000000 Junkdrawer Mar 2012 #9
Bravo. Jackpine Radical Mar 2012 #10
Have you tried a PIT, to go with your pendulum? WingDinger Mar 2012 #3
I keep musing about the same thing Tumbulu Mar 2012 #4
The journals are a little expensive. Jackpine Radical Mar 2012 #6
Way overdue... Junkdrawer Mar 2012 #5
It's always good to be hopeful.... KoKo Mar 2012 #11
Things will never change until we realize what we need to change. Zalatix Mar 2012 #16
It's always good to be hopeful.... KoKo Mar 2012 #12
It's always good to be hopeful.... KoKo Mar 2012 #13
It's always good to be hopeful.... KoKo Mar 2012 #14
Nonviolent? How's that working out in Syria, by the way? Zalatix Mar 2012 #15

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
2. Put it this way....
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 12:43 PM
Mar 2012

For decades, there's been a Big Money push to convince us that, while you may not agree with the Right, enough of your countrymen do and that's why seemingly unpopular policies rule the day.

By and large, that was a lie crafted to serve the interests of the wealthy.

And I think such a lie can be maintained for only so long before it becomes absurd on its face. And that's happening now.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
7. Progressives have actually bought into the Right's positions to a large extent
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 01:25 PM
Mar 2012

Last edited Tue Mar 6, 2012, 09:55 PM - Edit history (1)

This is most clearly seen in the case of social programs, which the left has allowed to be redefined as a "safety net" -- that is, a last-ditch protection system for society's losers. Once you concede that, you find yourself arguing in the Right's terms of how much hard-working taxpayers can be asked to contribute to bailing out those losers and whether at least some of them would benefit from falling on their asses from time to time.

These arguments would look entirely different if you worked not from an individual basis but from a collective basis. If you did, you'd conclude that the real objective is to have a society that is a smoothly functioning whole, with all its members contributing in their own way and receiving the necessities of life in return. And at that point, you'd find yourself focusing not on last-ditch rescues but on methods to fix a dysfunction system -- such as bringing jobs to where the people who need them live, or making public transportation cheap and accessible instead of cutting it back in hard times as some kind of unaffordable luxury, or seeing that apprenticeship and mentoring programs are available to give young people a path into the job market.

But the Right has convinced almost everybody -- including most of the left -- that to argue in terms of the common good is communism, that communism is the enemy of freedom, and that being left on your own to struggle and fail is the highest value of a democratic society. And that's not just a "lie" that the left goes along with to win elections, it's a lie that the left itself believes. That's what has to end.

 

WingDinger

(3,690 posts)
3. Have you tried a PIT, to go with your pendulum?
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 12:45 PM
Mar 2012

Inexorably, we march towards a rhetorical guillotine. Those that cost us, have hidden the costs thus far.

Tumbulu

(6,292 posts)
4. I keep musing about the same thing
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 12:49 PM
Mar 2012

I also farm/live on a farm and can find so much information from right here- used to have to spend days in the library to locate what I can in 10 minutes online....don't have access to the online journals though- would love to know how, but at any rate, it seems to be that we are indeed going through a fundamental transformation.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
6. The journals are a little expensive.
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 01:17 PM
Mar 2012

As a member of a forensic psych group I get about 60 psych journals published by Sage, & as an APA member (with a little extra bakshish in the deal) I get all of their journals electronically. It does cost several hundred a year.

Actually, I think all journals ought to be free online since the taxpayers fund most of the research reported in them. There are some free online journals, though, & I hope it's the wave of the future.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
11. It's always good to be hopeful....
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 11:00 PM
Mar 2012

that events will eventually swing to the side of truth, honor, justice, accountability.

but...remember the same folks who control our "free internet" are part of the system that works for it's own. Not much has changed, though, except to hook us on the "idea" of free information exchange (and a new world of infomation exchange)...then see it organized, packaged and then sold under the same corporate entities we've been conditioned to learn to love because they are "BRANDS" and Wall Street Sells them to fund our 401-K's, Pensions (for those who are still getting some benefits from them) and keep our Stock Market afloat for the new investors and to keep our "economy" afloat.

When we buy our Kindles, Nooks, I-Pads, I-Phones, I-Pods...etc..and hook up to the "Cloud (the latest tech investment enterprise) we might be going backwards in some ways by our growing dependence on the same Media folks who will make sure they find a way to control us all, once again. The "Free Libraries with Access for All"...that served us well the last hundred years might be gone and what's left is "Pay for View."

That's the "Dark Side."

 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
16. Things will never change until we realize what we need to change.
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 11:27 PM
Mar 2012

The core of this problem we're facing is the Plutocracy. The Plutocrats are trying to get rid of mass swaths of the population. Quietly, without gunfire or overt force, starting with starving the poor out of existence. If this fails, they will bring in the military and the police gangs.

It's so glaringly obvious, consistent and repeated that it's hard to believe EVERYONE doesn't see it. It's been going on at least since the Roman Empire.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
12. It's always good to be hopeful....
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 11:01 PM
Mar 2012

that events will eventually swing to the side of truth, honor, justice, accountability.

but...remember the same folks who control our "free internet" are part of the system that works for it's own. Not much has changed, though, except to hook us on the "idea" of free information exchange (and a new world of information exchange)...then see it organized, packaged and then sold under the same corporate entities we've been conditioned to learn to love because they are "BRANDS" and Wall Street Sells them to fund our 401-K's, Pensions (for those who are still getting some benefits from them) and keep our Stock Market afloat for the new investors and to keep our "economy" afloat.

When we buy our Kindles, Nooks, I-Pads, I-Phones, I-Pods...etc..and hook up to the "Cloud (the latest tech investment enterprise) we might be going backwards in some ways by our growing dependence on the same Media folks who will make sure they find a way to control us all, once again. The "Free Libraries with Access for All"...that served us well the last hundred years might be gone and what's left is "Pay for View."

That's the "Dark Side."

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
13. It's always good to be hopeful....
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 11:04 PM
Mar 2012

that events will eventually swing to the side of truth, honor, justice, accountability.

but...remember the same folks who control our "free internet" are part of the system that works for it's own. Not much has changed, though, except to hook us on the "idea" of free information exchange (and a new world of information exchange)...then see it organized, packaged and then sold under the same corporate entities we've been conditioned to learn to love because they are "BRANDS" and Wall Street Sells them to fund our 401-K's, Pensions (for those who are still getting some benefits from them) and keep our Stock Market afloat for the new investors and to keep our "economy" afloat.

When we buy our Kindles, Nooks, I-Pads, I-Phones, I-Pods...etc..and hook up to the "Cloud (the latest tech investment enterprise) we might be going backwards in some ways by our growing dependence on the same Media folks who will make sure they find a way to control us all, once again. The "Free Libraries with Access for All"...that served us well the last hundred years might be gone and what's left is "Pay for View."

That's the "Dark Side."

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
14. It's always good to be hopeful....
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 11:04 PM
Mar 2012
that events will eventually swing to the side of truth, honor, justice, accountability.

but...remember the same folks who control our "free internet" are part of the system that works for it's own. Not much has changed, though, except to hook us on the "idea" of free information exchange (and a new world of information exchange)...then see it organized, packaged and then sold under the same corporate entities we've been conditioned to learn to love because they are "BRANDS" and Wall Street Sells them to fund our 401-K's, Pensions (for those who are still getting some benefits from them) and keep our Stock Market afloat for the new investors and to keep our "economy" afloat.

When we buy our Kindles, Nooks, I-Pads, I-Phones, I-Pods...etc..and hook up to the "Cloud (the latest tech investment enterprise) we might be going backwards in some ways by our growing dependence on the same Media folks who will make sure they find a way to control us all, once again. The "Free Libraries with Access for All"...that served us well the last hundred years might be gone and what's left is "Pay for View."

That's the "Dark Side."
 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
15. Nonviolent? How's that working out in Syria, by the way?
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 11:20 PM
Mar 2012

When the Plutocrats have had enough, or when their backs are to the sea, they will bring the military to bear.

And if the American Plutocrats lack the stomach for Syria-style mass slaughters of protesters, they always have their backup plans: they control your access to food. They'll simply cut food production and raise the prices until you starve to death: it's called the politics of deprivation and that is unfolding right now.

Or the police gangs could simply arrest you, put your name on The List, and when your future employers do a background check on you and find you've been arrested, you'll be locked out of any hope for employment. Again, when this happens, you won't even be able to feed yourself, because guess what? Welfare cuts are already happening. (See: Michigan.) Again, the politics of deprivation. The Plutocrats in America will simply stifle you.

I'm just saying. You need more than a nonviolent solution. This will end like it did in Tunisia, Libya and Egypt: a straight up revolution. Or it will end with you being stifled out of existence.

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