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upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 06:43 PM Oct 2013

Are these ideas true about Social Security cuts?

Social Security is not part of the budget since it is self funded.

Interest payments on the Social Security trust funds is part of the budget.

If so, cutting social security benefits via the Chained CPI in budget talks is really only throwing an ideological bone to the right.
The interest can't be cut but the principal payments can.

What this means is we are willing to cheat on our debt to retirees and cut their benefits in an exercise to give the right one of their ideological goals to get an increase in revenue.

In other words trade a non budget item for a budget item. In during so screw seniors.

On edit:
How does this strengthen Social Security or is that a myth also?

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Are these ideas true about Social Security cuts? (Original Post) upaloopa Oct 2013 OP
That's about it. Cleita Oct 2013 #1
With help from both sides. djean111 Oct 2013 #2
Social Security Trust Fund is invested in Federal securities. Interest accrues to the Soc Sec Admin. pinto Oct 2013 #3

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
1. That's about it.
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 06:45 PM
Oct 2013

It's millionaires giving away benefits not involved in the budget battle to hand a bunch of pork to billionaires.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
3. Social Security Trust Fund is invested in Federal securities. Interest accrues to the Soc Sec Admin.
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 06:57 PM
Oct 2013
How are the trust funds invested?

By law, income to the trust funds must be invested, on a daily basis, in securities guaranteed as to both principal and interest by the Federal government. All securities held by the trust funds are "special issues" of the United States Treasury. Such securities are available only to the trust funds.

In the past, the trust funds have held marketable Treasury securities, which are available to the general public. Unlike marketable securities, special issues can be redeemed at any time at face value. Marketable securities are subject to the forces of the open market and may suffer a loss, or enjoy a gain, if sold before maturity. Investment in special issues gives the trust funds the same flexibility as holding cash.

Data on trust fund investments provide a breakdown by interest rate and trust fund for any month after 1989.

http://www.ssa.gov/oact/progdata/investheld.html

What interest rate do they earn?

The rate of interest on special issues is determined by a formula enacted in 1960. The rate is determined at the end of each month and applies to new investments in the following month.

The numeric average of the 12 monthly interest rates for 2012 was 1.458 percent. The annual effective interest rate (the average rate of return on all investments over a one-year period) for the OASI and DI Trust Funds, combined, was 4.091 percent in 2012. This higher effective rate resulted because the funds hold special-issue bonds acquired in past years when interest rates were higher.

How do benefits get paid each month?

Money to cover expenditures (mainly benefit payments) from the trust funds comes from the redemption or sale of securities held by the trust funds. When "special-issue" securities are redeemed, interest is paid. In fact, the principal amount of special issues redeemed, plus the corresponding interest, is just enough to cover an expenditure.

Can the trust fund remain solvent?

In the annual Trustees Report, projections are made under three alternative sets of economic and demographic assumptions. Under one of these sets (labeled "Low Cost&quot the trust funds remain solvent for the next 50 years. Under the other two sets (the "Intermediate" and "High Cost&quot , the trust funds become depleted within the next 20 years. The intermediate assumptions reflect the Trustees' best estimate of future experience.

Some benefits could be paid even if the trust funds are depleted. For example, under the intermediate assumptions, annual income to the trust funds is projected to equal about three-quarters of program cost once the trust funds become depleted. If no legislation has been enacted to restore long-term solvency by that time, about three-quarters of scheduled benefits could be paid in each year.

The Trustees believe that extensive public discussion and analysis of the long-range financing problems of the Social Security program are essential in developing broad support for changes to restore the long-range balance of the program.


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