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FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:24 PM Oct 2013

A Tip of the Hat to Ed Schultz . .

For yesterday challenging Obama's support for the rotten "Trans Pacific Partnership".



It's amazing that democrats promote trade deals that entirely omit protections for workers and the environment. Clinton did the same thing with NAFTA - which, by the way, Obama promised to re-negotiate.

As Ed points out, these deals also undermine sovereignty - but not just for the U.S. - for all the signatories.

Fast track ? Secretive process ? Excluding labor & independent analysts ? It's all rotten to the core.
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A Tip of the Hat to Ed Schultz . . (Original Post) FairWinds Oct 2013 OP
K&R! G_j Oct 2013 #1
No stopping projects like Keystone if this passes. Clear sailing for any environmental catastrophie newthinking Oct 2013 #10
kick nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #2
Fast track? Secretive process? Excluding labor & independent analysts? It'sall rotten to the core. djean111 Oct 2013 #3
NAFTA by Fukushima Octafish Oct 2013 #4
I saw this. Bump. nt silvershadow Oct 2013 #5
agreed gopiscrap Oct 2013 #6
welcome to DU gopiscrap Oct 2013 #7
Hillary Clinton's Business Legacy at State Dept (leading part in drafting TPP) antigop Oct 2013 #8
Ed asks why the constitutional right isn't screaming about this grasswire Oct 2013 #9
The "Powers" haven't told the screamers to be outraged about it. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #25
DURec. bvar22 Oct 2013 #11
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO! tblue Oct 2013 #12
This is very bad stuff fadedrose Oct 2013 #13
Just Checking . . FairWinds Oct 2013 #14
I can't rec this enough. Awareness of TPP and prioritizing stopping it remains critical nt riderinthestorm Oct 2013 #15
like that t shirt from the 90s... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2013 #16
So the same right wingers who blocked the UN treaty that would have mountain grammy Oct 2013 #17
BUMP!!!! haikugal Oct 2013 #18
end of our sovereignty,trade unions, and the middle class. madrchsod Oct 2013 #19
Kucinich ran on cancelling NAFTA and it was met with MASSIVE applause.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #20
That's the Dem establishment mantra... polichick Oct 2013 #26
as I recall he ran on Fair Trade not Free Trade. Replacing NAFTA with something. Not just cancelling KittyWampus Oct 2013 #28
Right, but he would START with cancelling NAFTA since it was so toxic. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #29
K&R! SaveOurDemocracy Oct 2013 #21
K & R Quantess Oct 2013 #22
K&R! I hope MSNBC doesn't punish Ed for this. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #23
It is good to see someone here admit the obvious Mosaic Oct 2013 #31
Ed must be wrong - Pres. Obama would only put the workers first... polichick Oct 2013 #24
K&R. I add my thanks to Ed for bringing the dangerous multinational corporate dream more exposure. Overseas Oct 2013 #27
I agree, but the other hosts on MSNBC should be talking about it too senseandsensibility Oct 2013 #30
It is us enlightened noble citizens against a dark, secretive enemy Mosaic Oct 2013 #32

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
10. No stopping projects like Keystone if this passes. Clear sailing for any environmental catastrophie
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:01 PM
Oct 2013

TPP is probably the most important issue of our time.

It will be as impactful and destructive to Democracy as Citizen's United. We really need to increase visibility on this.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
3. Fast track? Secretive process? Excluding labor & independent analysts? It'sall rotten to the core.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:33 PM
Oct 2013

It would seem so.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
4. NAFTA by Fukushima
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:37 PM
Oct 2013

Last edited Thu Dec 26, 2013, 09:30 AM - Edit history (1)

"FukushimaTPP" means "to be given the atomic of screwings."

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
9. Ed asks why the constitutional right isn't screaming about this
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:54 PM
Oct 2013

The giving of authority that would cede sovereignty is an issue made for RWNJ. But there's total silence on it.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
25. The "Powers" haven't told the screamers to be outraged about it.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 06:45 PM
Oct 2013

Because it serves their purpose. They just don't want to be identified with it.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
11. DURec.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:10 PM
Oct 2013

If this is passed, it will be the last nail in the coffin for America's Working Class.



It is clear that Candidate Obama was aware that NAFTA (and Free Trade Deals) "devastated" the American Working Class. He freely admits this during Campaign 2008,
and was one of the very few policy issues that differentiated him from Hillary.

Did the "immediate phone calls" to Mexico and Canada "amending" NAFTA ever get made?

Are representatives of the American Working Class, Organized LABOR, Environmental Protections, and Human Rights included in the secret TPP & TTIP talks,
or have then been purposely excluded?

Does anyone here seriously expect the Global Corporate lobbyists & lawyers writing these new treaties ("NAFTA on Steroids&quot to protect LABOR, the Environment, and Human Rights?

The secrecy and demands for Fast Track surrounding these negotiations is unacceptable,
especially for the "Transparency" President.




tblue

(16,350 posts)
12. NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:18 PM
Oct 2013

Why do we have to beg you to reject something this noxious?

Mr. POTUS, PLEASE DON'T DO THIS!!!

Thank you, Ed.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
13. This is very bad stuff
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:23 PM
Oct 2013

Time to email the President!

https://www.citizen.org/tpp

Have you heard? The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) “free trade” agreement is a stealthy policy being pressed by corporate America, a dream of the 1 percent, that in one blow could:

offshore millions of American jobs,
free the banksters from oversight,
ban Buy America policies needed to create green jobs and rebuild our economy,

decrease access to medicine,
flood the U.S. with unsafe food and products,
and empower corporations to attack our environmental and health safeguards
 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
14. Just Checking . .
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:30 PM
Oct 2013

Is it acceptable for DU posters to be critical of the President?
Or are we to be dismissed as "Obama Haters" or victims of "Obama Derangement Syndrome"?

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
15. I can't rec this enough. Awareness of TPP and prioritizing stopping it remains critical nt
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:32 PM
Oct 2013

mountain grammy

(28,045 posts)
17. So the same right wingers who blocked the UN treaty that would have
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:48 PM
Oct 2013

set worldwide standards for disabled access because, you know, freedom, are silent over this multinational corporate takeover of the world? Just wondering why, if Obama is for it, we haven't heard the rage against it.

Very bad deal. I have been contacting my representatives and the president regularly with my opposition.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
20. Kucinich ran on cancelling NAFTA and it was met with MASSIVE applause....
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:26 PM
Oct 2013

But he's "unelectable",.....right?

polichick

(37,626 posts)
26. That's the Dem establishment mantra...
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 06:48 PM
Oct 2013

Anyone who would put people or the planet over corporate profits is unelectable.

You can hear it repeated over and over again on DU every day.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
28. as I recall he ran on Fair Trade not Free Trade. Replacing NAFTA with something. Not just cancelling
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 10:38 AM
Oct 2013

it.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
23. K&R! I hope MSNBC doesn't punish Ed for this.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 06:42 PM
Oct 2013

Seriously. He stepped clear outside the cardboard cubical.

Mosaic

(1,451 posts)
31. It is good to see someone here admit the obvious
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 12:20 PM
Oct 2013

That msnbc, as much as I enjoy it, I admit reluctantly, sometimes, is as corporate to its core as Faux noise.

polichick

(37,626 posts)
24. Ed must be wrong - Pres. Obama would only put the workers first...
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 06:43 PM
Oct 2013

Ed doesn't get the chess game, that's all.

Overseas

(12,121 posts)
27. K&R. I add my thanks to Ed for bringing the dangerous multinational corporate dream more exposure.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 10:35 AM
Oct 2013

Too much of the agreement is still secret because those promoting it know citizens would be outraged by how much power is given to multinational corporations.

http://www.citizen.org/TPP

Have you heard? The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) “free trade” agreement is a stealthy policy being pressed by corporate America, a dream of the 1 percent, that in one blow could:
offshore millions of American jobs, free the banksters from oversight, ban Buy America policies needed to create green jobs and rebuild our economy, decrease access to medicine, flood the U.S. with unsafe food and products, and empower corporations to attack our environmental and health safeguards.

Closed-door talks are on-going between the U.S. and Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore, Malaysia and Vietnam; with other countries, including China, potentially joining later. 600 corporate advisors have access to the text, while the public, Members of Congress, journalists, and civil society are excluded. And so far what we know about what's in there is very scary!

senseandsensibility

(23,034 posts)
30. I agree, but the other hosts on MSNBC should be talking about it too
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 12:17 PM
Oct 2013

Some of them seem more concerned about who said something mean to the Prez.

Mosaic

(1,451 posts)
32. It is us enlightened noble citizens against a dark, secretive enemy
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 12:24 PM
Oct 2013

We elect those who betray us. Simple truth. As always I look, we, the noble, look, for solutions.

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