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cali

(114,904 posts)
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 08:08 PM Nov 2013

Call me old fashioned but I think if you're mayor and smoke crack in a drunken stupor

you should resign

Mayor Rob Ford said on Tuesday he has smoked crack cocaine, confirming reports that have dogged the leader of Canada's largest city for months but not likely ending the headline-grabbing saga as the embattled Toronto politician promised to fight on.

In a day of high drama, Mr. Ford told reporters that he smoked the drug "about" a year ago when "in one of my drunken stupors."

Speaking outside his office at City Hall, the mayor said, "Yes, I have smoked crack cocaine," after having repeatedly denied reports of drug use since they first emerged in May.

Mr. Ford also said he would remain in office, raising questions in Toronto about how the controversy will affect the running of North America's fourth-largest city by population and whether the global attention its mayor has garnered will hurt attempts to position the city as a world leader in culture and finance.

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http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303661404579179822063873580

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Call me old fashioned but I think if you're mayor and smoke crack in a drunken stupor (Original Post) cali Nov 2013 OP
We live in a bizzaro world... trumad Nov 2013 #1
I think you would have a better point if the sober ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #6
Is there a tea bagger who would take his place if he resigned? trumad Nov 2013 #8
I don't know. ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #9
Crack--- trumad Nov 2013 #16
I would rather judge them on their proposed policies ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #22
I judge on their judgement... trumad Nov 2013 #25
We are both saying this, ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #45
Ford pretty much is a tea-bagger... SidDithers Nov 2013 #34
There are probably people on crack Aerows Nov 2013 #48
Unfortunately, Ford is a crack smoking conservative asshat... SidDithers Nov 2013 #31
Crack aside, he's a racist sack of shit. And a homophobe. And he beats his wife. LeftyMom Nov 2013 #41
Racism, homophobia, and misogyny are ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #44
Exactly Aerows Nov 2013 #50
I'm more concerned with the fact that he was in ONE of his drunken stupors. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #2
yeah. I picked up on that too. cali Nov 2013 #3
Getting caught smoking crack cocaine ....... very, very bad for a politician, polly7 Nov 2013 #4
Not in DC. Barry was reelected twice. oneshooter Nov 2013 #43
I'm thinking more of how easily he blamed his 'drunken stupor' ... like that's something polly7 Nov 2013 #46
I was recently in Montreal and I said "why are canadians so happy?' and my hubby said CTyankee Nov 2013 #5
No, we want responsible acting politicians who don't lie, as Ford did, and polly7 Nov 2013 #7
I understand that this guy is a horrible person and deserves punishment... CTyankee Nov 2013 #11
'Canadians', at least all I've talked about this with polly7 Nov 2013 #12
OK, look, it's just a remark made somewhat off-hand about a political situation...e.g. CTyankee Nov 2013 #21
Of course I understand how that would be stressful! polly7 Nov 2013 #27
You have a righeous rant, Polly, and I admire you! CTyankee Nov 2013 #37
Aw, ty .... I admire you too! polly7 Nov 2013 #39
I'm not ty, but I do appreciate your comments, anyway... CTyankee Nov 2013 #42
ty - thank you :) polly7 Nov 2013 #49
What if he snorted cocaine in a corporate boardroom after finishing 6-8 glasses of 12 year old FSogol Nov 2013 #10
same thing. I don't give a shit if it was crack or coke cali Nov 2013 #13
Society cares. Cocaine gets a pass, smoking crack is considered the worse crime. FSogol Nov 2013 #15
oh please. If Ford had been caught on video snorting cocaine cali Nov 2013 #19
The reaction would be largely identical, especially given his track record ranting about drugs. (nt) Posteritatis Nov 2013 #24
LOL: "do you understand the difference between evidence and conjecture? Never mind. It's clear you FSogol Nov 2013 #33
Ford's one of those frothing law-and-order no-coddling-the-bad-guys types Posteritatis Nov 2013 #23
^^THIS^^ - It's about the irony and hypocrisy as much as anything. nt Electric Monk Nov 2013 #35
+1000. He's a hypocritical, lying, bloviating freak and I hope this bites him on the ass polly7 Nov 2013 #36
While I agree that there is a perceptual issue associated with crack / cocaine use etherealtruth Nov 2013 #52
Don't disagree that Ford is an idiot, just wanted to point out the difference FSogol Nov 2013 #53
guy needs help.. stillcool Nov 2013 #14
Gotta agree. n/t FSogol Nov 2013 #17
In the U.S. you can smoke crack get arrested for it.. Revanchist Nov 2013 #18
yup justabob Nov 2013 #20
If Toronto held a mayoral election tomorrow Ford would still probably win it Posteritatis Nov 2013 #26
It's high comedy up here right now... SidDithers Nov 2013 #28
His friend was arrested for extortion for trying to get the video back from applegrove Nov 2013 #29
With all the focus on his drug use and alcohol abuse, Curmudgeoness Nov 2013 #30
Call me old fashioned ... I miss Marion Berry REP Nov 2013 #32
Miss him? He's still on the DC Council and up to his old financial irregularities! FSogol Nov 2013 #38
The crack thing aside, He's got other issues.... JeffHead Nov 2013 #40
You're forgetting: It's OK if you're a conservative. baldguy Nov 2013 #47
someday he will get drunk and lose the whole fucking city rurallib Nov 2013 #51
 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
1. We live in a bizzaro world...
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 08:10 PM
Nov 2013

People who say they don't care what he does do not have deep thinking capabilities.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
6. I think you would have a better point if the sober
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 08:16 PM
Nov 2013

elected officials were doing a great job. I would take a crack-smoking person who understood science and society than a sober Tea Party person.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
34. Ford pretty much is a tea-bagger...
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 09:11 PM
Nov 2013

He replaced David Miller, who was very liberal. The mayorship tends to pendulum back and forth between liberal and conservative in Toronto.

Sid

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
48. There are probably people on crack
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 09:51 PM
Nov 2013

meth, heroin and heaven only knows what that make more sense than teabaggers. Have you *heard* and *seen* the shit they say? Someone on 12 hits of acid makes more sense than Michelle Bachmann or Louie Gohmert.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
31. Unfortunately, Ford is a crack smoking conservative asshat...
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 09:07 PM
Nov 2013

Basically, the worst of both worlds.

Sid

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
41. Crack aside, he's a racist sack of shit. And a homophobe. And he beats his wife.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 09:32 PM
Nov 2013

And he got thrown out of a hockey game for being drunk and disorderly, which I didn't even realize was *possible*.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
2. I'm more concerned with the fact that he was in ONE of his drunken stupors.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 08:11 PM
Nov 2013

Which means there were probably many, many more. And that is more an indictment against his ability to effectively govern.

I don't really care that much that he smoked crack just as I don't care much that almost every president in popular recollection probably did coke.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
4. Getting caught smoking crack cocaine ....... very, very bad for a politician,
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 08:13 PM
Nov 2013

drunken stupors? meh, what's the prob? ...............

Ford is an asshole that should have been gone long ago, imo.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
46. I'm thinking more of how easily he blamed his 'drunken stupor' ... like that's something
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 09:45 PM
Nov 2013

we Canadians should good-naturedly accept as a perfectly good excuse ...... even after he gets caught lying. Every one of us, I imagine, has tried illicit drugs at one time or another and as long as he's not addicted to crack-cocaine, that's one thing ...... the 'drunken stupor' thing usually indicates someone who spends more than a little time being pissed, not an example I'd want for my children in Toronto, or anywhere else. He's an arrogant, self-entitled, millionaire asshole.

Ford was a right wing populist—a rarity for Canada—or, as his brother called Ford during the campaign, Canada’s Sarah Palin. His platform was stopping the government “gravy train.” In office, he semi-privatized the garbage collectors and barred transit workers from striking. He used the city’s surpluses to pay down debt. He slashed benefits to city employees and says he’s saved Toronto $1 billion since taking office, a claim many councilors dispute.

But Ford wasn’t a details guy. “During my time on his campaign and in the mayor’s office, I probably knew where he was about 50% of the time,” says Adrienne Batra, his former communications director who left to become editorial page editor at the Toronto Sun at the end of 2011. “He’d just disappear and you’d ask him where he was and he’d say, ‘Oh, around town.’” In recent months his behavior has become more erratic, former aides say. He skipped council meetings to coach football and wouldn’t show up to work until after 11am. A court in November threw him out of office for using mayoral letterhead to raise money for his gridiron charity. He won an appeal in February.


Read more: Rob Ford, Toronto Mayor, Singlehandedly Makes Canadian Politics Interesting Again | TIME.com http://swampland.time.com/2013/06/04/toronto-mayor-singlehandedly-makes-canadian-politics-interesting-again/#ixzz2jpFzOrEJ

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
5. I was recently in Montreal and I said "why are canadians so happy?' and my hubby said
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 08:14 PM
Nov 2013

"because they have health care!"

Don'cha think most Canadians don't really care if some mayor once got snockered and smoked crack, because overall they know their health system will take care of them...as well as most of government?

polly7

(20,582 posts)
7. No, we want responsible acting politicians who don't lie, as Ford did, and
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 08:19 PM
Nov 2013

don't believe that drunken stupors set a great example for the youth of the nation. I'm of the 'so what' camp if someone has tried or used illicit drugs ...... abusing alcohol (it sounds like quite a lot more than many of us do) and using that as some defense after flat out lying about there being a video, is someone I wouldn't trust to take care of my dog, let alone a city of children. Our health-care has nothing to do with it.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
11. I understand that this guy is a horrible person and deserves punishment...
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 08:30 PM
Nov 2013

or, I should say, some rehab for his alcohol and crack use, before he runs for office again. The remark to my husband was more about Canadian's overall political attitudes than one person running for office. There are bad apples everywhere, in every country and every culture...

polly7

(20,582 posts)
12. 'Canadians', at least all I've talked about this with
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 08:33 PM
Nov 2013

don't have that attitude at all. We don't count on our (not free health-care) for anything other than keeping ourselves healthy, and bringing that into this situation is something I don't understand at all. He's done some shitty things, he's an arrogant asshole and doesn't deserve one more day in office - just as wouldn't any other politician in any other country.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
21. OK, look, it's just a remark made somewhat off-hand about a political situation...e.g.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 08:53 PM
Nov 2013

you have universal health care and we don't. It isn't supposed to be a full blown political treatise, really! We thought Canadians were friendly and we perfectly understand the peace of mind you have with not worrying about whether you will have a financial wipe-out because of an illness. Perhaps you can understand how that can be stressful?

polly7

(20,582 posts)
27. Of course I understand how that would be stressful!
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 09:01 PM
Nov 2013

I've been trying right along with you for a decade introducing facts about universal health-care to dispel a lot of the bullshit people use to oppose it.

Having decent health-care doesn't exempt us from the harm done by asshole politicians though. We do have issues that affect us deeply too, like the tar sands, our conservative nutcases who want to do away with that health-care and every other social program we've fought for and won, NAFTA and now the TPP that will make it even easier for them.... Too many freaks like Ford who lie and abuse the privilege that comes with being an elected representative. All those things can be stressful as well. Having decent health-care doesn't turn a lying Ford who thinks drunken stupors are fine into a rainbow-shitting unicorn.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
37. You have a righeous rant, Polly, and I admire you!
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 09:19 PM
Nov 2013

And I love your telling of those conservative politicians among you that are bad and not progressive, at all. It helps us understand your political situation better...I'm glad you are here, Polly!

polly7

(20,582 posts)
39. Aw, ty .... I admire you too!
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 09:27 PM
Nov 2013

And I really, truly do understand how stressful not having access to health-care for everyone must be ... we have to watch ourselves carefully, especially now .... or we'll lose much of what we have. We seem boring up here politically, but much of that is only because Harper and his sneaks manage to hide things a lot better, and who really pays attention to us, anyway. I'm glad to be here among such smart, caring people as yourself, and what a nice thing for you to say! That said, I'm very, very glad you're ACA was successful in getting through and it's heartwarming reading of all the people who now will be able to stay healthy.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
42. I'm not ty, but I do appreciate your comments, anyway...
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 09:33 PM
Nov 2013

glad you are here on DU. We need your voice (do we EVER!). We'll get there on the ACA, I am sure. It is bound to happen.

Sorry about that awful mayor, but there are always bad apples. Don't worry...I have faith in you guys!

FSogol

(45,527 posts)
10. What if he snorted cocaine in a corporate boardroom after finishing 6-8 glasses of 12 year old
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 08:28 PM
Nov 2013

scotch?

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
13. same thing. I don't give a shit if it was crack or coke
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 08:33 PM
Nov 2013

for fuck's sake he was, in his own words, in one of his drunken stupors.

FSogol

(45,527 posts)
15. Society cares. Cocaine gets a pass, smoking crack is considered the worse crime.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 08:40 PM
Nov 2013

No one seemed to care about W's crack jaw grinding away.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
19. oh please. If Ford had been caught on video snorting cocaine
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 08:44 PM
Nov 2013

lied about it and then months later admitted to doing it while in drunken stupor, people would still be pissed.

And I don't know what Canada's laws are re crack and coke and perhaps there is a different cultural pov in Canada about it.

In any case, for the love of reason, bush was never caught on video snorting coke or smoking crack.

do you understand the difference between evidence and conjecture? Never mind. It's clear you don't.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
24. The reaction would be largely identical, especially given his track record ranting about drugs. (nt)
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 08:56 PM
Nov 2013

FSogol

(45,527 posts)
33. LOL: "do you understand the difference between evidence and conjecture? Never mind. It's clear you
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 09:10 PM
Nov 2013

don't."

The slightest disagreement and you go on the attack, firing insults! Think of your health and learn to relax.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
23. Ford's one of those frothing law-and-order no-coddling-the-bad-guys types
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 08:56 PM
Nov 2013

He doesn't want Toronto to so much as have homeless shelters, for instance, because Those People are inherently criminal. He howled for years about wanting to put down anyone touching drugs of any sort in as draconian a way as possible.

The way he's been ranting the last several years, with his whole tough on crime fetish? Anything past light social drinking and I'd be all for pillorying him for the hypocrisy alone. With this, he's basically shut down governance of the largest city in the country for months with said staggering hypocrisy, and it's gotten at least one or two people killed in the course of the whole fiasco.

So yeah, fuck him, and it doesn't matter in the least what he was partaking in, not with the way he's acted about it and the way he's spoken and acted towards other people.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
36. +1000. He's a hypocritical, lying, bloviating freak and I hope this bites him on the ass
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 09:14 PM
Nov 2013

harder than all the people he's hurt, combined.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
52. While I agree that there is a perceptual issue associated with crack / cocaine use
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 11:04 PM
Nov 2013

For the love of Pete ... this idiot offered the explanation that he did it (crack or cocaine in this instance it is irrelevant) while in a drunken stupor. As if that made it better.

FSogol

(45,527 posts)
53. Don't disagree that Ford is an idiot, just wanted to point out the difference
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:43 AM
Nov 2013

in society's perception of crack vs cocaine.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
14. guy needs help..
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 08:38 PM
Nov 2013

Doing that stuff while you're in office is messed up..really messed up if you let yourself get caught.

Revanchist

(1,375 posts)
18. In the U.S. you can smoke crack get arrested for it..
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 08:41 PM
Nov 2013

and then get re-elected once your sentence is complete.

justabob

(3,069 posts)
20. yup
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 08:50 PM
Nov 2013

When I saw the OP title, the first thing I thought of was oh... Marion Barry, at it again. I know he's not mayor anymore, but he's still on the DC city council IIRC. lol

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
26. If Toronto held a mayoral election tomorrow Ford would still probably win it
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 08:58 PM
Nov 2013

The voting demographics of the city are weird. The suburban area is vast due to the amalgamation a few years back, and Ford's always campaigned on a completely uninhibited platform of "nice suburban white people against the evil urban hordes." He could be on camera shooting someone for kicks and he'd probably still poll 35% if the victim was the wrong skin colour or lived downtown.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
28. It's high comedy up here right now...
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 09:03 PM
Nov 2013

Ford and his brother host a weekly radio program on one of our local AM talk stations. Lots and lots of chances for Ford to put his foot in his mouth and say something stupid, and he rarely disappoints.

Our morning shows are having a fucking riot with the audio clips.



Sid

applegrove

(118,793 posts)
29. His friend was arrested for extortion for trying to get the video back from
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 09:03 PM
Nov 2013

the drug dealers. The police followed and taped Ford and his friend for months. I think there is more trouble for ford. More serious trouble.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
30. With all the focus on his drug use and alcohol abuse,
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 09:06 PM
Nov 2013

no one is paying attention to how much he denied this. Lying, substance abuse---I'm with you cali, old-fashioned or not.

FSogol

(45,527 posts)
38. Miss him? He's still on the DC Council and up to his old financial irregularities!
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 09:24 PM
Nov 2013

How can we miss him if he won't go away?

JeffHead

(1,186 posts)
40. The crack thing aside, He's got other issues....
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 09:29 PM
Nov 2013

He's all for lynching homeless people.



Bicyclers deserve to be run over.



He smokes a lot of pot.



And he can't play football.



The crack smoking thing is just icing on the cake for this right wing jackass.
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