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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsthe no-good do-nothing OWS losers at Rolling Jubilee have now
managed to buy and abolish more debt... Sheesh, what next! I can't describe what they have done any better than they do... so read it and weep.
http://strikedebt.org/rjupdate3/
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NOVEMBER 11TH, 2013
Rolling Jubilee Third Debt Buy
Strike Debt has just abolished $13.5 million in medical debt!
We are pleased to announce that Rolling Jubilee has purchased and abolished two additional portfolios totaling $13.5 million in medical debt, abolishing debt for 2,693 individuals across 45 states and Puerto Rico! These debts ranged from $50 to over $200,000, including several accounts over $100K. These individuals will no longer be hounded into paying this debt. They have been informed via letters like this one.
To date, the Rolling Jubilee has raised over $600,000 and abolished $14.7 million in debt. Every penny spent has gone towards the process of offering mutual aid to debt resisters by purchasing and abolishing debt. For more information about the debt purchases and updates on our finances, please see our transparency page.
Find your town on these maps of where the Rolling Jubilee just abolished medical debts (Map one and Map two).
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Celebrate the Jubilee on November 15th
To celebrate the jubilee, Strike Debt NYC and other chapters are holding events in several cities on or around November 15th, one year since the Peoples Bailout telethon that launched the Rolling Jubilee. If youre in one of these areas, please join your friends and neighbors!
Austin
Helena, Montana
New York
Portland on Nov 23
San Francisco on Nov 23
Impact and Next Phase
Aside from helping out thousands of debtors, the Rolling Jubilee has widely publicized the predatory workings of the debt-buying marketplace. As a result of our work, many more people now know that collectors have only paid pennies for the debts they harass us for in full. Knowledge like this provides moral ammunition for confronting debt collectors and standing up to lenders. We have shown that lenders are perfectly willing to write your debts off theyre just not willing to write them off to you
Unless you force them to. We hope that this knowledge inspires debtors everywhere to not just do what the lenders demand of them, but instead to use their leverage to strike a better deal or simply refuse payment altogether.
Yet we know that actions like small-scale debt abolition have limited practical
consequences. Fifteen million dollars is barely a dent in the debt market. Weve said from the beginning that the Rolling Jubilee is just one tactic, not the solution. As with many other Occupy actions, its impact has been to expand the boundaries of what is considered politically possible. In this, we have been successful. Ultimately, however, we know that long-term victories in the fight against debt and our exploitative economic system will require collective action.
An old saying goes: If you owe the bank $100, thats your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, thats the banks problem. When we treat our debts as individuals, we suffer in silence. But if we band together, the banks will be in serious trouble. While it is important and laudable for an individual stand up and resist their unfair debts. When millions refuse, together, they have the power to shake this system to its very core.
Accordingly, we are making sure that the attention that Rolling Jubilee has generated is directed towards other, more collective tactics. We will stop accepting new donations to the Rolling Jubilee fund by the end of the year (although rest assured that debt abolition will continue into 2014 with the remaining money). As we look beyond the Rolling Jubilee, we are developing tactics to help build collective forms of power. Throughout history, when debtors have banded together, we have won. We are building tools and organizing to help bring debtors together to break our collective bonds stay tuned for more announcements to come.
In the meantime, please join us in celebrating our victories!
Love,
Strike Debt
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This is the real "yes we can".
Cheers
Agony
Zorra
(27,670 posts)We are the
Agony
(2,605 posts)"Yet we know that actions like small-scale debt abolition have limited practical
consequences. Fifteen million dollars is barely a dent in the debt market. Weve said from the beginning that the Rolling Jubilee is just one tactic, not the solution. As with many other Occupy actions, its impact has been to expand the boundaries of what is considered politically possible. In this, we have been successful. Ultimately, however, we know that long-term victories in the fight against debt and our exploitative economic system will require collective action. "
soldier on!
Agony
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)have done and expanded it on a large scale basis?
Makes you wonder, are they just not capable of coming up with ideas that can help real people, or do they simply not care?
If it's the former, then they could cooperate with OWS to get things done. They are doing this without the power and financing that is available to elected officials. Showing that their slogan 'another world is possible' isn't just empty words, unlike many of the campaign slogans we are so accustomed to.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)NealK
(1,885 posts)They just don't give a damn.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)If they went to WORK everyday, they wouldn't be able to camp out in the cities cluttering up our sidewalks, making a mess of everything, and getting in the way of people who have to go to WORK!!
...and just WHERE are they going to the bathroom???!!!
Sadly, all of the above were posted at DU by members claiming to be Democrats.
You will know them by their [font size=3]WORKS.[/font]
NealK
(1,885 posts)Yeah, I know a couple of the ones you're talking about. Really sad.
Agony
(2,605 posts)and the current system just doesn't allow it. Fixing this problem is a TALL order...
Cheers
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... and they care, alright... about themselves and the funders of their election campaigns.
Agony
(2,605 posts)"""
In Costa Rica, publicly-owned banks have been available for so long and work so well that people take for granted that any country that knows how to run an economy has a public banking option. Costa Ricans are amazed to hear there is only one public depository bank in the United States (the Bank of North Dakota), and few people have private access to it.
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Shallowness and ignorance seem to be the prerequisite for being considered "electable", to varying degrees, depending on who is fronting the money for an election campaign.
Myrina
(12,296 posts).... by getting those debt-anchors off their backs.
The forest falls one tree at a time.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)If we want to make a difference in the debt market, we have to vote with that in mind. This is about real human beings and I doubt they think this is useless. It's also a lesson for us all and a call to arms.
Agony
(2,605 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)thanks.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)trashed their OWS protesters, there wouldn't be 2 teabaggers remaining to compare Social Security payments.
I know you are kidding Zorra but many Democrats trashed the occupy movement when it was the closet thing we had to real progressive protesters.
G_j
(40,372 posts)it's just that simple..
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)JEB
(4,748 posts)myrna minx
(22,772 posts)Agony
(2,605 posts)Cheers
Agony
This is part of the sample letter they sent to individuals whose debt they purchased...
"
Dear «FuiiName»:
We are writing you with good news: The Rolling Jubilee Fund, a non-profit organization, has purchased the account referenced above. The mission of this project is to buy and abolish personal debt, as it is our
belief that no one should have to go into debt for the basic things in our lives such as healthcare, housing and education.
People across the country chipped in to help relieve some of the stress associated with the experience of being indebted. As a result, you no longer owe the balance of this debt. It is gone, a no strings attached gift. You are no longer under any obligation to settle this account with the original creditor, the bill collector, or anyone else.
Why have we done this? We started this initiative to shine a spotlight on wrongdoing within our economic system. We do not think people should be forced to suffer twice, first from illness and then from medical debt. Today one in every seven Americans is being pursued by a debt collector. 62% of all bankruptcies have medical debt as a contributing factor, 77.5% of American households are in debt and over 40% of credit card debt was used for basic needs. It doesn't have to be this way. Quality healthcare should be available for free to all who need it.
If you have any further questions or you are willing to share your story please contact us. We believe
more people need to know about the i ustice of medical debt and hope to hear from you.
You can call us at or email us at rollingjubilee@strikedebt.org. For further information about the initiatives please visit rollingjubilee.org. Rest assured, we are committed to respecting your privacy. We will not share personal information or the details of your account without your permission. The medical billing process is very confusing and you may not be aware of this bill or thought that you or your insurance had already covered it. Whatever the circumstances, the important thing is that no one will ever contact you about this particular debt again.
Please note that we are not able to abolish any other debts you might have, only the specific one referenced above. If you need legal advice regarding your debt circumstances, visit www.lawhelp.org or www.naca.net for referrals to free or low-cost legal services in your area.
Sincerely,
Strike Debt The Rolling Jubilee Fund
"
Wow, awesome.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)and sent to every member of Congress asking why this initiative didn't come from them, and now that they see how successful it is, how about they start doing something about this issue, and while they are at it, maybe come up with a similar plan for Student debt.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)after months, maybe years, of being hounded by these vultures? Having no way to pay off the debt in your lifetime yet no way to escape it. It would be like a miracle and I'm not a religious person. I can't imagine what kind of relief these people would feel.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)According to sensible woodchucks they are not alive anymore. I learned that on DU no less.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Like the inevitability of the third way and the greatness of Mamon, and the market it serves. Who am I mere mortal to question this at a hyper partisan site?
Oh I forgot Hillary 2016
(some will miss it)
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)their 'causes' are the ones we are supposed to be against. And most of us still are.
I'm for someone from the general population for 2016. A carpenter maybe, a nurse someone who will go to DC, see their four years as an opportunity to get things done for the people, not worry about the next election and be prepared to go back home after their job is done. Otoh, such a person probably would be reelected but it should not be how they view their first four years.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)The day when sensible woodchucks will admit they are wrong will never come, oh praise be Mamom, but it will come.
It's got something to do with arcs.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Now let me watch my daily does of mind numbing, sensible woodchuck tv. (I actually do, not to be plugged in, but to see what the woodchuck media is up to)
From time to time they cover interesting things, but less and less.
tblue37
(65,490 posts)Republicans in blocking him and preventing him from accomplishing much of anything during his presidency, because they saw him as an "outsider" trying to rock the boat and shake up their comfy lives of privilege and power.
After he was defeated by Reagan, Jimmy Carter was asked in an interview what he found most surprising when he was elected president. He responded that what surprised him most was how little power he actually had as president.
He has used his post-presidency to try as much as he can to help ordinary people in difficult circumstances. Like OWS, Jimmy Carter did not just go away. He continued to make a difference in the lives of real people.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Damn, me too!
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Occupy is a debt relief organization now.
Glad they found a purpose and are achieving concrete results.
Sid
Cheers
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)ever hoped to be in working to achieve it. After all their initial purpose was to occupy one public space for no more than two weeks, if that. Now they are a Global human rights movement working every day, which they never expected, to point out the evil of Corporate Power. And polls show that the next generation shares their goals and is becoming more of a voting bloc each election cycle.
The winds of change are blowing and OWS plays a huge role in making sure they grow stronger each day.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)How many foreclosures has Congress stopped?
How many of the poorest of Sandy's victims has Congress helped?
How many homes for the homeless has Congress built?
How many falsely accused by the corrupt Robo Cops has Congress defended successfully?
That is one of my favorites, btw. How organized OWS was in their anticipation of the false accusations and lies and arrests that would take place as soon as they began protesting Wall St corruption.
They had their OWN media coverage of EVERY ARREST, video, eyewitnesses etc. Hard to argue with evidence. They recorded every false arrest and every brutal attack and so far have not lost a case yet. Thanks go also to all the Lawyers who volunteer their time exposing the corruption of the police and mayors et al.
Amazing, the work they have done and are doing, each time, gathering more support from the communities they work in across the country.
They are a force to be reckoned with and over the past two years, have actually helped more real people across the nation than Congress has over the past decade or so.
It's inspiring to see what can be done when there is a will to do it. Too bad we don't have that same will among our elected officials, unless it involves protecting Wall St and War Criminals.
You've out of the loop apparently, (sources are important) but glad you finally caught up with even a little information on the incredible positive effect the people can have when they are organized and intelligent and most of all, serious about getting things done.
peace13
(11,076 posts)Thanks for the laugh.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Earth_First
(14,910 posts)Eviction Defense, Occupy Medical, Occupy Sandy, the OP and others are just mote examples of the "nothing" they have done in recent years...
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)The only people who make a difference are elected officials!
werknotgoin2takeit
(172 posts)That this is nonsense. Often it is those who work outside the system who effect the most change. Was Martin Luther King ever elected to any office? How about Susan B. Anthony? Does that negate the change they helped wrought. Often the machine of public life consumes those who enter, OWS is beholden to no one but their values. They are changing the conversation, uncovering that which those in power don't want uncovered. That is how the sleeping giant is awoken.
Unless you were being sarcastic. Sometimes it's hard to tell in writing.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)I'm a whole hearted supporter of Occupy and was just mocking the attitude that they were useless for not running as a party.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Agony
(2,605 posts)Oh never mind
werknotgoin2takeit
(172 posts)But the scary thing is that I have seen too many commentators say things like that seriously. My bad and will work harder to fine hone my sarcasm filter in future!
leftstreet
(36,117 posts)ljm2002
(10,751 posts)..."theyre just not willing to write them off to you"
That's it in a nutshell. It's what the population needs to understand before we can expect more people to revolt against the ridiculous system that puts so many of us in chains while the fat cats roll in their ill-gotten gains.
And of course our government seems unable to comprehend it at all. It's "personal responsibility" for you and for me, and "too big to fail" for the big banks.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Agony
(2,605 posts)Purchase Summary
Rolling Jubilee Fund
Debt Buy #4
5/13/13
Portfolio Information
Type of Debt: Medical
Age: 16% of value is ~1 year old; 84% is 2-6 years old
Source of Debt: Hospitals & Medical Centers
Location: Nationwide
Purchased From: Financial Firm
Totals
Total Value of Debt: $12,291,378.56
Total Cost (w/ Servicing): $248,001.70
Rate of Total Debt: $0.02
Debtor Information
Number of Debtors: 1,919
Average Debt per Debtors: $6,405
Highest Debt for One Debtor: $237,210
States Debtors Residing In: 45 and Puerto Rico
Account Information
Number of Accounts: 2,480
Average Size of Account: $4,956.20
Biggest Account: $207,025.10
Smallest Account: $42.00
*Rolling Jubilee Definitions (for organizational/informational purposes only):
Account: Singular transaction or incurring of debt.
Active Debt: Debt that is legal collectable, i.e., not in bankruptcy or deceased.
In-statute: The statute of limitation is the amount of time the owner of the debt can ask the court to force
a debtor to pay for a debt. In-statute means the owner can still take legal action on the debt.
Servicing: Data review, data input & cleanup, tracking, mailing, etc.
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)I love that they close with a peek at the next phase of this incredible effort. Wow! I love it!
Julie
randome
(34,845 posts)The group martyr syndrome at the root of posts like these tends to actually take away from the accomplishments.
If you would stop imagining that no one wants success, you might achieve more success. A leaderless OWS has been its own worst enemy but now that the dust has settled, more power to helping people!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.[/center][/font][hr]
Agony
(2,605 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)were rooting for the failure of OWS, lying about their goals and organization (amazing organization went into this movement btw) and spouting Faux lies about the movement. Surely you're not denying those facts?
But contrary to your implication, MOST people want success and MOST Americans supported OWS from the beginning, understood their message clearly as it was clearly stated, and the few who pretended they 'had no message, were not organized' were obvious in their desire to see them fail. Fortunately action trumps negativity and they are more successful than even they ever dreamed.
randome
(34,845 posts)Even those who saw OWS as wasting time and energy in the past are here saying 'kudos' and that's still not good enough for you!
Maybe if you would stop rubbing your martyrdom in people's faces, you'd get more support.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.[/center][/font][hr]
Agony
(2,605 posts)Amazing.
randome
(34,845 posts)1. Camping out in public parks and calling for corporations (paper entities) to behave better.
2. Showing up at a public auction and buying up debt.
Now which of these do you suppose is more helpful to people?
Granted, there is a relationship but I see it this way: some of those originally associated with OWS got smart and decided that scenario #1 above was not doing much good.
Again, kudos for those who were smart enough to see that.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.[/center][/font][hr]
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)that was prepared and airc, paid for, to slam 'lieberals' with. That word was among the most 'popular', It brings back memories.
But, back to your comment. It is a perfect example of what the OP stated. .. OWS NEVER wasted time. Except in the view of those who support the corporate takeover of this country. Naturally they tried to spread that lie hoping to diminish the huge impact OWS had right from the beginning. But you have been told that over and over again.
Who wants Kudos, they certainly don't, the want and got ACTION. What people did not want, which is pretty normal, was the spreading of false propaganda about them.
I told you before I believe, your sources were obvious in your comments. Bad information comes from bad sources. Which is why people need to be careful where they get their information from. Unless it happens to be what they want to believe.
randome
(34,845 posts)At least this particular group did. There is a difference between railing against something and hoping behavior changes and going out and GETTING SOMETHING DONE.
You don't want the kudos? Too bad, it wasn't meant for you but to those who are actually doing something.
And if you're doing something similar, the kudos go to you, too.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.[/center][/font][hr]
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Shame on those that would disparage those that participate in assaults that dont end in victory.
You claim to disparage OWS because they didnt achieve goals that you consider worthwhile. I think you disparage them like you disparage whistle-blowers and investigative journalists because they upset the comfortable status quo.
randome
(34,845 posts)Wars are conducted with tactics. Strategy. And most important of all, leaders.
You still want to ignore the fact that I approve of this particular group actively doing something. That's 'disparaging' them?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]TECT in the name of the Representative approves of this post.[/center][/font][hr]
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)You base your approval on your paradigm. I suggest you view with an open mind.
Those that oppose them, want them to have a leader. Someone to specifically attack and disparage.
I think OWS was successful.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)'Railing'?? Really? I knew you disagreed with their message. But thankfully Democrats Like the US Attorney in NY, Schneiderman, when under pressure to cave to Wall St to sign the egregious agreement that would have prevented people whose homes were stolen from them from suing the crooked banks, met with and later credited with OWS for backing him when he was pushed by HIS OWN PARTY to betray the people in favor of Wall St.
As a result of OWS's support he was able to remain the sole holdout and managed to stop the prevention of wronged homeovers from filing law suits against those criminal enterprises.
I am particularly grateful to OWS and Schneiderman since one of those whose home was stolen by a Big Bank, is a friend of mine. She is now, THANK YOU OWS, suing them and a thank you to Schneiderman who worked with OWS and forced the elected puppets to exclude that provision from the already horrific agreement they were ALL willing to sign.
Please stop embarrassing yourself. I can go on and on to prove you wrong. Up to you.
A persona thank you from me on behalf of my friend to OWS for stopping the Big Banks with the cooperation of Schneiderman, from further depriving the working class of their legal rights.
OWS ROCKS!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Last edited Wed Nov 13, 2013, 02:29 AM - Edit history (1)
people is that lies and false statements be challenged, such as the ones you airc, consistently made from the beginning of this movement.
I know this because I pointed out to you many times how wrong you were and that your comments were spreading right wing garbage about OWS. I suggested that you find proper sources as the talking points you continued to post here were easily recognizable.
The OP is correct, not a martyr, but mocking the garbage that was being spread, even here, sadly, by Wall St through its various outlets in the MSM.
Agony
(2,605 posts)...or that "camping" was a waste of time and had no effect on the trajectory of public awareness or the development of critical mass is shallow at best.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Some people don't know how to admit they were wrong.
Some people don't know when to quit.
Some people believe that nobody at DU is smart enough to see through their transparent denials.
Those people turn into parodies....... of themselves.
Sadly, the above was too often repeated by people claiming to be Democrats at DU.
You will know them by their [font size=3]WORKS.[/font]
dogknob
(2,431 posts)johnnyreb
(915 posts)Occupy,
Shut it down!
Unfair debt is goin' down.
Agony
(2,605 posts)Thank You...
NealK
(1,885 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)NealK
(1,885 posts)DirkGently
(12,151 posts)xchrom
(108,903 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)if the TeaKlanners did something like this (they won't, they hate poor people), it would be front page BREAKING NOOZ!!1111!!11 on Faux, CNN, and CBS -- at least. But I've never seen one word on the MSM about this or any other of the other things OWS has accomplished for so many individuals. And they continue the false narrative (including some here on DU) that OWS "failed." They're the epitome of success, imo.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Liberal_Dog
(11,075 posts)This is tremendous.
Sentath
(2,243 posts)a little bit
again
Agony
(2,605 posts)"While we have always said that Rolling Jubilee is not a solution to the debt crisis, we will continue using the Rolling Jubilee fund to conduct debt purchases that highlight different aspects of the debt system. But we will stop accepting new donations as of December 31st, 2013."
Agony
(2,605 posts)Lydia Leftcoast
(48,217 posts)who are in danger of losing their homes due to shady mortgage practices.
From what I hear, they've been running free medical clinics in Portland.
Also, they were the first on the ground with relief efforts after Hurricane Sandy.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Wow!!
bvar22
(39,909 posts)a PROUD DURec,
and kick to the top!
You will know them by their [font size=3]WORKS.[/font]
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)gopiscrap
(23,765 posts)tblue
(16,350 posts)because they've been out there on the front lines, taking the hits and the pepper spray, while I've been in my comfy abode doing other things. Seriously, our system is designed so that people fear they have a lot to lose and so they don't risk anything, but they don't gain anything either. It's not right. I am as guilty as anybody. I owe OWS. I know I do. I will help them, I'm promising right now.
moondust
(20,014 posts)corporations are sitting on a trillion dollars in cash, presumably putting it to no better use than making the pile even bigger. Fucking sociopaths creating problems faster than good people can fix them.
OWS --->
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)OWS detractors suck.
Bolo Boffin
(23,796 posts)Tea Party what? James O'Keefe who? This is making the society a better place. This is what it's all about. Terrorist fist bump to Occupy!
They were buying medical debt at rates as high as 50-to-1. Whoops! The debt collection industry just got a major pantsing there! Not to mention why it costs so much to have health care in this country...
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Instead of Jamie and Lloyd's picks?
We'd bail out America instead of banker bonuses.
It would be awful.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)Look at them all over the news flaunting their leaderless, goal-free, hipsterish, lanky-haired, unAmerican, debt-strikey SELFDOM.
Why can't they take a bath?
And they're alcoholics and rapists and late to the party and they smell. And they're wet behind the ears. And there's egg on their faces. And they're obsessed with iPads. And they listen to rap music and their trouser legs are slightly too short and they don't clean their cars, which is, like, even if they HAVE cars, like normal people such as you and me.
Which means I don't have to do anything. Cos then I'd be like them, and, ew.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)If they were, they would have realized that they need to get in line and support the nearest Centrist Democrat!
Centrism...because it is so EASY!
You don't have to STAND for ANYTHING,
and get to insult those who do!!!
freebrew
(1,917 posts)Maybe they do what all the rest of the country is doing and look for a job.
In case you didn't get it: