"I've never heard bigotry sound so virtuous."

[hobbit709]

[el_bryanto]

1. So what is the message of this cartoon?

Is it referring to a specific church? or all churches?

Bryant

[hobbit709]

2. Maybe it means ANY church that preaches bigotry instead of a specific one.

[Bluenorthwest]

3. All churches are not bigoted, so what do you think it means?

There are churches that are actively inclusive, which expend energy toward not being bigoted toward others. The bigoted churches hate to admit that truth.

[el_bryanto]

5. I think it means religious folks are generally bigots unless they prove otherwise

Hey I answered a question - now let me ask you one. Given your long history of irritation with Pope-Positive posts and your feeling that they belong in the religion forum, do you think this this post also belongs in the religion forum?

Bryant

[muriel_volestrangler]

6. The sermon was titled 'One Man One Woman'

so, it means churches that oppose same sex marriage.

[Stainless]

16. Good Observation - "One Man One Woman"

I live in Utah where the predominate religion routinely expresses their bigotry openly and loudly but not very eloquently.

[Bluenorthwest]

7. My contention Bryant is that when folks post about the Pope in GD it is fitting to discuss him

in terms of politics, current events and secular activism he takes part in. It is NOT fitting for folks to post 'I love the Pope' and expect the discussion in GD to be devoid of political content. Folks who want to discuss the Pope in GD but who also want to hound those who don't play Pope Public Relations games are posting in the wrong place. If they want to say 'he embraces gay people' when the fact is that he is an active opponent of LGBT rights and has a long raft of horrific hate speech to his credit should do that in religious forums if they do not wish to hear the truth of the matter.
This OP is about politically active churches, I don't care what you call your club, if you do politics, it is a political organization, see Prop 8. Waving about symbols and bits of dogma does not mean you get to discuss political matters as if they were religious matters.
Since this OP is about political churches, and it is being discussed politically, it's fine. Especially considering there have been dozens of 'We love a bigot' posts in GD that expect others to pretend the object of adoration is not a bigot.

[el_bryanto]

9. About what I expected - but your interpretation of the Pro-Pope threads is pretty inaccurate. nt

[Bluenorthwest]

12. In what way, Bryant?

I gave you a very complete answer, to which you make vague put downs.
GD is for discussion of many subjects, religion is an excluded subject in GD, therefore if a person posts about the Pope or Pat Robertson or any religious leader in GD, the discussion sought should be political, not religious. If it was intended to be a religious discussion they are welcome to have it in a religious group on DU. For them to post such subjects then demand they be discussed in terms of dogmatic law and not political reality, when they get offended at being shown facts and quotes from the Pope, they are in the wrong place.
I've been to the Vatican 4 times, met two Popes. Want to talk about religion in a universe that is strictly religious, I'm your guy. But I will not treat a political figure as if he was not political inside of a Democratic political forum because some folks get touchy about politics.
Churches do political actions, Bryant. They are not free from criticism because they say 'Goddy God' before they slander their gay neighbors or excuse racism. Sorry if that bugs you.

[el_bryanto]

13. I think that what happens is that someone says "Look at what the new pope said about poverty."

"I really like this pope compared to previous pope because he said this about poverty." A political issue.

Then you or someone else says "But he's a despicable bigot, because he's also said this about gay people. Nobody should say anything positive about this pope because saying anything positive about the pope is to endorse his homophobia."

And then it devolves into an argument, not about what the Pope said or what the OP was, but about whether or not it's acceptable to praise the Pope.

Bryant

[Bluenorthwest]

18. So your contention is that those who know the Pope's history must not speak it in GD?

Frankly, if people want to praise racists and homophobes for driving a car that's their own choice, but I don't see how that means others are required to pretend that Francis did not seek his fame and fortune using horrific anti gay language, so awful that the President of Argentina called it 'Medieval and suggestive of the Inquisition'. People post 'this Pope embraces gay marriage' which is a flat out lie. I will always, always counter a lie told that will harm my own family, you can count on that.

The comic in the OP is about a church that has on it's billboard an anti gay message. It was YOU who assumed that the comic is about all churches.

[el_bryanto]

20. If anybody does post that than you would be in the right to counter it

But you will post his opinions on Homosexuality no matter what the OP is about. Again if the OP is about being judgemental or about social justice or about poverty - no matter the subject - you or someone will post "But he's a homophobe."

Bryant

[Skidmore]

4. Does it really matter?

There are plenty of denominations and cults out there now which have put bigotry out as their public face. They proudly wear it, parade it, and cry persecution when people call them on it or refuse to accept the very sanctimonious bullying practiced by the holy chosen of all stripes.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

10. Read the church sign at the right side of the cartoon. nt

[Mira]

11. Looks to me it's THAT church and THAT preacher

who has THAT message on the sign.
GEEZ.

(I have met that preacher in many disguises, and plan to send the cartoon to a friend who recently told me that in her church the priest tells the congregation how to vote, and it's a vote for those that oppose abortion).

[MyNameGoesHere]

15. As with most media

it probably is dependent upon the consumer. I see it and agree that all religions are bigoted. You however may have a different view. I think it was delivered in a perfect way. The original OP said nothing other than paste part of the "joke". Sorry to me it is a joke to you it may be offensive. See how that works?

[jeff47]

17. Looking really hard to be offended, eh? (nt)

[La Lioness Priyanka]

25. exactly. nt

[Spitfire of ATJ]

19. A lot of churches have become infiltrated by the Right Wing.

[KittyWampus]

22. look at the sign on the very right side of the cartoon… it's hard to see.

It says "One Man, One Woman".

[Solly Mack]

8. K&R

[heaven05]

14. Hobbit, ignore the naysayers

I was in a bigoted church and one day the religious rose colored glasses fell off when I was told NOT to sit with my woman friend who was a different race because some of the parishioners were upset that we were an interracial couple. Broke my heart and destroyed a lot of my faith in amerikkkaner christianity. Keep telling the truth about amerikkkan christianity whenever and wherever you can. I got your back.

[toby jo]

21. Hatred, demonizing, misogyny have been part and parcel of the Christian message

since its inception.

What do you expect from a 'faith' teaching that one needs to be 'saved' by a deified Jewish rabbi? You tear people down to build them up under your perceptual process - a sacrilegious process in my book. Man vs. man, nothing godlike about any of it.

Greater good and consciousness is endemic to our bearing on this earth, it's a birthright.

KISS

[KittyWampus]

23. Not since its inception, but it goes back a very, very long way.

[Neoma]

24. The greater good...

&sns=em

[polynomial]

26. Its an oxymoron

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