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CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 04:47 PM Dec 2013

Some say that racism and bigotry will subside and then go away if we stop talking about it

But as the Civil War began, many states had almost half or more of their population in slavery and were attempting to expand slavery into free areas of the USA.

Even after the slaves were emancipated, Debt Peonage victimized blacks yet again, after a period of gains in the post Civil War era.

Almost a century after the Civil War began, blacks in the former confederacy couldn't vote and were segregated from whites by force of law.

In South Africa, Apartheid developed and got far worse before being toppled.

The idea that we can't use the "race card" and overall notions, seemingly popular exclusively among white people (disclaimer: I am white) because we perpetuate racism by referring to it or calling it out...the idea that not speaking of racism because that will help it go away.

That's nonsense. It doesn't work.

If you think it's all gonna get better or not happen again if we just stop talking about it.

6 million more Jews would be alive if that were the case.

Things don't always get better. Things often get worse, so we must be on our guard to defend justice and equality at every moment.

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Some say that racism and bigotry will subside and then go away if we stop talking about it (Original Post) CreekDog Dec 2013 OP
True, and "Debt Peonage" continues to victimize blacks and others. We have to remain vigilant. NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #1
thank you. CreekDog Dec 2013 #5
Race, sexual orientation, religion Aerows Dec 2013 #2
What about sex, male/female? boston bean Dec 2013 #7
bigotry by definition, includes gender discrimination CreekDog Dec 2013 #10
I agree with the OP. Laelth Dec 2013 #3
I agree with that CreekDog Dec 2013 #4
My pleasure. Bonus kick. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #6
Yes. Free speech makes positive change possible n/t RainDog Dec 2013 #8
thank you. CreekDog Dec 2013 #11
...we can't stop now because high powered persons have embraced a bit of what needs to be talked... Tikki Dec 2013 #9
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. True, and "Debt Peonage" continues to victimize blacks and others. We have to remain vigilant.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 04:55 PM
Dec 2013

It hasn't gotten nearly as much better as I'd hoped 40 years ago, if it's gotten better at all.

This is a thoughtful post.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
2. Race, sexual orientation, religion
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 04:58 PM
Dec 2013

none of those issues that allow a person to identify with being a "tribe" will ever go away until we recognize that we all belong to the same tribe, which is human beings. Power flows to those who can most successfully stoke flames against an "other".

When you realize that, you realize that a lot of things that you believe about the world are fictitious and fractious bullshit designed to keep someone in power over everyone else.

boston bean

(36,223 posts)
7. What about sex, male/female?
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 06:57 PM
Dec 2013

I always find it curious that many times sexism/misogyny are not mentioned.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
10. bigotry by definition, includes gender discrimination
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 08:19 PM
Dec 2013

and in my mind, when I posted, it was among the things I was thinking of, in addition to race.

and as for the movie, there was some attention to the specific horrors that female slaves faced.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
3. I agree with the OP.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 05:36 PM
Dec 2013

I think we've made great strides in combating racism and bigotry in the United States precisely because we talk about these subjects ... a lot.

-Laelth

Tikki

(14,559 posts)
9. ...we can't stop now because high powered persons have embraced a bit of what needs to be talked...
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 07:00 PM
Dec 2013

about and acted on…

These progressives could be replaced or have a limit on what they are willing to proceed with.


Tikki

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