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kpete

(71,996 posts)
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 09:29 PM Dec 2013

Bye-bye, fake liberals: The Warren Democrats are winning!

Bye-bye, fake liberals: The Warren Democrats are winning!
The backlash against an inane Op-Ed bashing Elizabeth Warren shows that “economic populism” is the way forward


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..........President Obama gave his best economic speech yet, calling income inequality “the defining challenge of our time.”

Is something going on here? I’d say yes. Wall Street’s domination of the Democratic Party is facing a genuine and sustained fight, and that’s a good thing for Democrats and the country.


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................during Obama’s first term his political fortunes improved when he strengthened his message of economic populism, and plummeted the more he preached about bipartisan deficit-cutting and “shared sacrifice” as defined by plutocrats. If Third Way and Bill Keller were right, we’d be debating President Mitt Romney’s new tax cuts for the wealthy right now.

Of course Third Way wasn’t right. But there didn’t used to be a penalty for being wrong in the service of Wall Street’s agenda. Now its plutocracy-defending drivel is both debunked quickly and denounced by politicians – even the one it’s trying to demonize.

That Elizabeth Warren is a great tonic for the Democratic Party is not news (although her decision to attack Third Way’s donor base rather than quail at its attacks merits attention and more admiration). What seems new to me is a sustained feistiness among progressives. The push to expand rather than cut Social Security is already widening the debate and making it harder for any Democrat to fearlessly back even hidden cuts like the chained CPI. And the wave of fast-food strikes and Wal-Mart protests is channeling the anger and moral outrage that inspired Occupy Wall Street, and then seemed to dissipate, into a policy agenda.

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Bye-bye, fake liberals: The Warren Democrats are winning! (Original Post) kpete Dec 2013 OP
All of the sudden, a huge group is joining her chorus: MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #1
Yes the villagers are all atwitter wilsonbooks Dec 2013 #5
I am confused by your post. The villagers have minions? If you are trying to disparage rhett o rick Dec 2013 #16
Not trying to disparage the left at all. The Villagers refers wilsonbooks Dec 2013 #18
My mistake. I am not familiar with the term. Carry on. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #19
Those idiots are bashing the people when they bash Warren... Jasana Dec 2013 #2
Kick for progressive leadership! Scuba Dec 2013 #3
K&R! n/t myrna minx Dec 2013 #4
K & R democrank Dec 2013 #6
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2013 #7
K&R Hubert Flottz Dec 2013 #8
So, Third Way/DLC were never really Democrats. Just paid spokespersons for the 1%. blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #9
In a few months, that sort of thing will bring dozens of alerts HereSince1628 Dec 2013 #12
You mean the same people that ask constantly... Chan790 Dec 2013 #43
The pattern has been established in previous primary years... HereSince1628 Dec 2013 #53
...and DU will once again join the dark side. FiveGoodMen Dec 2013 #47
Koch donated seed money to the DLC. merrily Dec 2013 #13
Third Way: Working hard for the average American every day. jsr Dec 2013 #55
Wall Street and the One Percenters are looking for a home Ian_rd Dec 2013 #10
it's really only been 25 years or so that the corpo money-lovers have bent the party HereSince1628 Dec 2013 #11
Yes and no. The Dem Party has always had a conservative wing. merrily Dec 2013 #14
Happy Days Are Here Again--and for reasons similar to 1929. merrily Dec 2013 #15
There is a movement. Occupy is part, Snowden is part, Rep Grayson is part, but Sen Warren is rhett o rick Dec 2013 #17
I so agree with you! Rockyj Dec 2013 #32
I have already drawn my line. blue14u Dec 2013 #48
she is awesome! BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #20
Big K&R. nt silvershadow Dec 2013 #21
I loves my Elizabeth Warren! Phlem Dec 2013 #22
K&R SpcMnky Dec 2013 #23
LIFE on earth depends on NO MORE DINO's upi402 Dec 2013 #24
It's not quite that bleak jeff47 Dec 2013 #41
Agreed. Absolutely. FiveGoodMen Dec 2013 #50
k&r for Elizabeth Warren. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #25
premature and naive. cali Dec 2013 #26
As one not particularly known.. sendero Dec 2013 #28
Obama's inequality speech: telling the progressive story of American history ProSense Dec 2013 #27
I don't see any solutions in there Doctor_J Dec 2013 #31
Bipartisanship has completely failed us. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #45
Ah, threads deriding and attacking fellow Democrats instead of Republicans. Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #29
actually the subject was more the WSJ attack G_j Dec 2013 #34
sen warren is the best reason for cloning yet RedstDem Dec 2013 #30
DURec. bvar22 Dec 2013 #33
Wall Street has never had much influence in the Democratic Party FarCenter Dec 2013 #35
"Wall Street has never had much influence in the Democratic Party" LMAO L0oniX Dec 2013 #37
TARP was passed and funds disbursed by the Bush administration. FarCenter Dec 2013 #38
TARP had as much, if not more support from Democrats as Republicans NobodyHere Dec 2013 #39
The Bush administration used TARP for different purposes than those for which it was passed. FarCenter Dec 2013 #40
They ALL Democrat and Republican voted for TARP..... socialist_n_TN Dec 2013 #51
So the Dems had no part in TARP? Whatever. pffft L0oniX Dec 2013 #42
Wow. Is the water warm in denial? Public unions have more sway than Wall Street??? Doctor_J Dec 2013 #52
Public unions have more sway over internal Democratic Party politics than Wall Street. FarCenter Dec 2013 #56
Uh, no they don't....... socialist_n_TN Dec 2013 #57
...and then the 1% pull on the Dem campaign funding strings. L0oniX Dec 2013 #36
K&R! No more fake fucking liberals! Enthusiast Dec 2013 #44
The progressive way is the ONLY way, never tried because of the corporatists coup, but it's coming mother earth Dec 2013 #46
Warren For President 2016 cantbeserious Dec 2013 #49
Recommend jsr Dec 2013 #54
 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
1. All of the sudden, a huge group is joining her chorus:
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 09:42 PM
Dec 2013

"The emperor has no clothes! None! And he's stealing all of your cash and trying to make you a slave, too!"

Except for the very serious people, of course.

wilsonbooks

(972 posts)
5. Yes the villagers are all atwitter
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 09:51 PM
Dec 2013

The are scared and lashing out. They even have their minions on DU working over time.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
16. I am confused by your post. The villagers have minions? If you are trying to disparage
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 11:15 PM
Dec 2013

the progressive left, then just come out and say what's on your mind.

wilsonbooks

(972 posts)
18. Not trying to disparage the left at all. The Villagers refers
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 11:25 PM
Dec 2013

to the Washington pundits, DLC, third wayers. corporate hacks. It is a fairly common term for Washington insiders.

Jasana

(490 posts)
2. Those idiots are bashing the people when they bash Warren...
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 09:42 PM
Dec 2013

Idiots forget, they still need our votes and I'm feeling downright uppity.

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
8. K&R
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 10:47 PM
Dec 2013

This lady should be the first woman president. Elizabeth Warren is indeed the New Deal and the old school Dinos and DLC blue dogs need turned out of office to lobby for the corporations, that they have long ago sold their hearts, souls and allegiance to. We need to stop corporate media from killing the good candidates and leaving us nobody but corporate stooges to vote for. We need a new deal, not yet another raw deal.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
12. In a few months, that sort of thing will bring dozens of alerts
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 11:05 PM
Dec 2013

from those convinces we should have a corpo-dem candidate.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
43. You mean the same people that ask constantly...
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:55 PM
Dec 2013

"When you say you'll never cast a vote for Hillary Clinton what about when she's the nominee?"

Because they don't realize that if enough of us vow to never support Hillary, her support base will disappear because she is "unelectable" and she'll never be the nominee.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
53. The pattern has been established in previous primary years...
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 09:16 AM
Dec 2013

It isn't just about Clinton supporters.

The pattern involves claiming front-runner status, or greatest chance to win, based on little more than early media exposure for a duer's choice and then fighting like hell.

This time could be different but probably won't be.

Ian_rd

(2,124 posts)
10. Wall Street and the One Percenters are looking for a home
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 10:58 PM
Dec 2013

The Republican Party has served them well for decades, but lately the Tea Party threatens to handicap the GOP and therefore threaten the privileged status of the rich. So now they're trying to muscle into the Democratic Party and support the so-called Third Way Democrats. But unfortunately for them, there is some resistance.

Go Warren!

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
11. it's really only been 25 years or so that the corpo money-lovers have bent the party
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 11:04 PM
Dec 2013

There is some small chance that the base will drive a return to social issues.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
14. Yes and no. The Dem Party has always had a conservative wing.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 11:11 PM
Dec 2013

If you look at Jimmy Carter, he is really the one who started deregulating the federal government, not Ronnie. Though Ronnie did jump all over it. Also replaced the Bankruptcy Act that FDR passed after the Depression The 1978 Act took the pressure off crooked officers and directors and, in general, made filing for bankruptcy easier for corporations. Democratic majority in both houses then, too.

The conservative wing did not incorporate the DLC until 1985, that is so. However, it's always been there. The huge re-election victories of Nixon let them make a lot of headway. The huge election victory of Reagan handed them the Party.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
17. There is a movement. Occupy is part, Snowden is part, Rep Grayson is part, but Sen Warren is
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 11:20 PM
Dec 2013

currently carrying the fight to the bastards.

At some point the progressive left needs to draw a line and fight. No more of "The Lesser of Evils" bullcrap.

blue14u

(575 posts)
48. I have already drawn my line.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 08:06 PM
Dec 2013

I get beat down here on DU everyday for doing so too!

I shall keep on speaking out, if we don't say anything, or we don't fight

back, we will never get our party, and this Nation back on track.

There is a lot of support from the progressives, there are just a handful

of foot soldiers screaming for messiah HRC that I can see.

Carry on, keep working at it. They are seeing our efforts and I for one think

they are scared that we will take our party back...

upi402

(16,854 posts)
24. LIFE on earth depends on NO MORE DINO's
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 12:33 AM
Dec 2013

We get Hillary or another Obama and it's game over for climate change.

Nevermind democracy in this war machine...

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
41. It's not quite that bleak
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:21 PM
Dec 2013

For example, humanity won't go extinct from climate change. Sure, we'll lose several billion, but that still leaves a few billion people.

So it's only a "charcoal" kind of future, not completely black.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
28. As one not particularly known..
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 08:26 AM
Dec 2013

... in real life for bouts of optimism, I don't agree with every conclusion here but I do see small signs that people are shrugging off the basic economic message of Reaganism in favor of something a bit more progressive.

The Reagan philosophy had sucked up the right wing like a Borg and infiltrated the left to the extent necessary to have a serious legislative and popular opinion advantage. Americans, never too fast to catch on to anything, after 6 years of epic economic fail, are finally questioning this basic philosophy for the first time in 30 years.

Since I don't see the economy improving in any real way over the next few years, I expect this realization to gain momentum. It's all about people thinking that something is working for them, many were fooled for a long time but destitution is a harsh mistress.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
27. Obama's inequality speech: telling the progressive story of American history
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 07:58 AM
Dec 2013
Obama's inequality speech: telling the progressive story of American history

by Ian Reifowitz

Barack Obama knows how to tell a story. One of his great strengths is his ability to craft a narrative of our history that resonates with Americans and advances a progressive understanding of who we are as a people. Obama's telling of that history always features both progress as well as our failure to live up to the ideals of equality we lay down at the country's founding. His American history narratives have long centered on two purposes.

The first is to encourage Americans across every possible group line to recognize one another as being part of a single community of Americans based on our shared membership in the civic nation. The President's placing of Seneca Falls, Selma, and Stonewall among the pantheon of the great events in our history is perhaps the best known example of this, among countless other occasions where he has done so throughout his career.

The second, one that featured prominently in yesterday's speech on economic inequality, is to emphasize the long-standing roots—as well as the moral superiority and greater effectiveness—of a common good-centered, progressive economic philosophy. I've never heard President Obama do this better than he did yesterday. He told the story of our country as one in which we moved closer and closer to being a society built around equal opportunity and a notion of the common good that provided a basic safety net for those of us who faced hard times.

Until, that is, we inaugurated President Ronald Reagan. Obama also rightly noted the impact of globalization on our economy, but then specifically highlighted the crucial role of right-wing economic thinking—calling out Reaganite "trickle-down ideology" on taxes and on the lack of commitment to invest in our country's resources—in moving us away from the path on which we'd been traveling for over a century thanks to progressives in both parties.

This is the kind of historical narrative that people can connect with. It is a story that has a clear good guy and a clear villain, the kind of story that, in raw political terms, helps frame the debate in a highly effective way. More broadly, the speech provided an exceptionally strong philosophical and factual underpinning for the progressive ideals we hold dear.

Below the fold is the excerpt of the speech in which the President lays out his narrative of our history.

Now, the premise that we’re all created equal is the opening line in the American story. And while we don’t promise equal outcomes, we have strived to deliver equal opportunity -- the idea that success doesn’t depend on being born into wealth or privilege, it depends on effort and merit. And with every chapter we’ve added to that story, we’ve worked hard to put those words into practice.

It was Abraham Lincoln, a self-described “poor man’s son,” who started a system of land grant colleges all over this country so that any poor man’s son could go learn something new.

When farms gave way to factories, a rich man’s son named Teddy Roosevelt fought for an eight-hour workday, protections for workers, and busted monopolies that kept prices high and wages low.

When millions lived in poverty, FDR fought for Social Security, and insurance for the unemployed, and a minimum wage.

When millions died without health insurance, LBJ fought for Medicare and Medicaid.

Together, we forged a New Deal, declared a War on Poverty in a great society. We built a ladder of opportunity to climb, and stretched out a safety net beneath so that if we fell, it wouldn’t be too far, and we could bounce back. And as a result, America built the largest middle class the world has ever known. And for the three decades after World War II, it was the engine of our prosperity.

Now, we can’t look at the past through rose-colored glasses. The economy didn’t always work for everyone. Racial discrimination locked millions out of poverty -- or out of opportunity. Women were too often confined to a handful of often poorly paid professions. And it was only through painstaking struggle that more women, and minorities, and Americans with disabilities began to win the right to more fairly and fully participate in the economy.

Nevertheless, during the post-World War II years, the economic ground felt stable and secure for most Americans, and the future looked brighter than the past. And for some, that meant following in your old man’s footsteps at the local plant, and you knew that a blue-collar job would let you buy a home, and a car, maybe a vacation once in a while, health care, a reliable pension. For others, it meant going to college -- in some cases, maybe the first in your family to go to college. And it meant graduating without taking on loads of debt, and being able to count on advancement through a vibrant job market.

Now, it’s true that those at the top, even in those years, claimed a much larger share of income than the rest: The top 10 percent consistently took home about one-third of our national income. But that kind of inequality took place in a dynamic market economy where everyone’s wages and incomes were growing. And because of upward mobility, the guy on the factory floor could picture his kid running the company some day.

But starting in the late ‘70s, this social compact began to unravel. Technology made it easier for companies to do more with less, eliminating certain job occupations. A more competitive world lets companies ship jobs anywhere. And as good manufacturing jobs automated or headed offshore, workers lost their leverage, jobs paid less and offered fewer benefits.

As values of community broke down, and competitive pressure increased, businesses lobbied Washington to weaken unions and the value of the minimum wage. As a trickle-down ideology became more prominent, taxes were slashed for the wealthiest, while investments in things that make us all richer, like schools and infrastructure, were allowed to wither. And for a certain period of time, we could ignore this weakening economic foundation, in part because more families were relying on two earners as women entered the workforce. We took on more debt financed by a juiced-up housing market. But when the music stopped, and the crisis hit, millions of families were stripped of whatever cushion they had left.

And the result is an economy that’s become profoundly unequal, and families that are more insecure. I’ll just give you a few statistics. Since 1979, when I graduated from high school, our productivity is up by more than 90 percent, but the income of the typical family has increased by less than eight percent. Since 1979, our economy has more than doubled in size, but most of that growth has flowed to a fortunate few.

The top 10 percent no longer takes in one-third of our income -- it now takes half. Whereas in the past, the average CEO made about 20 to 30 times the income of the average worker, today’s CEO now makes 273 times more. And meanwhile, a family in the top 1 percent has a net worth 288 times higher than the typical family, which is a record for this country.

So the basic bargain at the heart of our economy has frayed. In fact, this trend towards growing inequality is not unique to America’s market economy. Across the developed world, inequality has increased. Some of you may have seen just last week, the Pope himself spoke about this at eloquent length. “How can it be,” he wrote, “that it is not a news item when an elderly homeless person dies of exposure, but it is news when the stock market loses two points?”

But this increasing inequality is most pronounced in our country, and it challenges the very essence of who we are as a people. Understand we’ve never begrudged success in America. We aspire to it. We admire folks who start new businesses, create jobs, and invent the products that enrich our lives. And we expect them to be rewarded handsomely for it. In fact, we've often accepted more income inequality than many other nations for one big reason -- because we were convinced that America is a place where even if you’re born with nothing, with a little hard work you can improve your own situation over time and build something better to leave your kids. As Lincoln once said, “While we do not propose any war upon capital, we do wish to allow the humblest man an equal chance to get rich with everybody else.”

The problem is that alongside increased inequality, we’ve seen diminished levels of upward mobility in recent years. A child born in the top 20 percent has about a 2-in-3 chance of staying at or near the top. A child born into the bottom 20 percent has a less than 1-in-20 shot at making it to the top. He’s 10 times likelier to stay where he is. In fact, statistics show not only that our levels of income inequality rank near countries like Jamaica and Argentina, but that it is harder today for a child born here in America to improve her station in life than it is for children in most of our wealthy allies -- countries like Canada or Germany or France. They have greater mobility than we do, not less.

The idea that so many children are born into poverty in the wealthiest nation on Earth is heartbreaking enough. But the idea that a child may never be able to escape that poverty because she lacks a decent education or health care, or a community that views her future as their own, that should offend all of us and it should compel us to action. We are a better country than this.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/05/1260417/-Obama-s-inequality-speech-telling-the-progressive-story-of-American-history

Transcript: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/04/1260116/-President-Obama-s-remarks-on-economic-mobility
 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
31. I don't see any solutions in there
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 09:27 AM
Dec 2013

what does he plan to do about it? besides call for bipartisan accord?

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
29. Ah, threads deriding and attacking fellow Democrats instead of Republicans.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 08:29 AM
Dec 2013

I guess primary season is getting close.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
33. DURec.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 04:18 PM
Dec 2013

I have had my fill of NeoLiberals, "New Democrats", Centrists, Reagan Democrats,
and anybody else who promotes "Free Trade", "Free Markets" and an Invisible Hand.

None of those exist.
The RICH made that shit up
and used smooth talking politicians to sell that shit to a gullible America.

[font color=firebrick][center]"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone [/font]
[/center] [center] [/font]
[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center]
[/font]


You will know them by their [font size=3]WORKS,[/font]

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
35. Wall Street has never had much influence in the Democratic Party
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 04:31 PM
Dec 2013

It's more influenced by big city real estate interests, real estate developers, construction companies and public employee unions.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
37. "Wall Street has never had much influence in the Democratic Party" LMAO
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 04:34 PM
Dec 2013

TARP was so old school.

 

NobodyHere

(2,810 posts)
39. TARP had as much, if not more support from Democrats as Republicans
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:19 PM
Dec 2013

In the House, H.R. 1424 passed with the following breakdown of votes:
Democratic 172 Yea; 63 Nay
Republican 91 Yea; 108 Nay
Total - 263 Yea; 171 Nay

In the Senate, H.R. 1424 passed with the following breakdown of votes:
Democratic 41 Yea; 10 Nay (Including Senator Obama
Republican 33 Yea; 15 Nay
Total - 74 Yea; 25 Nay (Sen. Kennedy was in the hospital and did not vote.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
51. They ALL Democrat and Republican voted for TARP.....
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 10:45 PM
Dec 2013

KNOWING that it had NO controls over how the taxpayers money was going to be spent by Wall Street and the banks.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
52. Wow. Is the water warm in denial? Public unions have more sway than Wall Street???
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 12:06 AM
Dec 2013

Turn off Hate Radio for awhile. Come back to reality

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
36. ...and then the 1% pull on the Dem campaign funding strings.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 04:33 PM
Dec 2013

End of the dream. Somehow I just don't have too much confidence that any competitive political party will get anywhere without money. Warren/Hillary ...oh yeah ...right ...couple a centrist with a populist and what do you have ...a centrist.They don't mix well.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
44. K&R! No more fake fucking liberals!
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 07:06 PM
Dec 2013

Next Elizabeth should come out in favor of HUGE cuts to the bloated military.

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
46. The progressive way is the ONLY way, never tried because of the corporatists coup, but it's coming
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 07:08 PM
Dec 2013

SOON, because we can no longer afford fucking around with centrism, the failed past...now everyone can wake the hell up.
If we don't progressively engage, we are part of the problem.

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