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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,036 posts)
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 12:25 PM Dec 2013

Corporate welfare at its finest - Boeing to states: What we want for 777X

ST. LOUIS -- St. Louis appears to meet most of the requirements Boeing Co. is looking for in a place to build its new 777X plant. But it would sure help if Missouri were on the ocean.
That's according to a copy of Boeing's request for proposals that has been obtained by the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. The until-now-unreleased document -- which is stamped "proprietary" -- details the company's criteria, proposed investment and job creation, and desired incentives for the much-sought-after airplane plant.
The 11-page document outlines Boeing's requirements for the plant, and details what it plans to build under two different scenarios:

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The document also lists "significant institutional factors" that it will evaluate, saying "company preference is toward a location that will share in the cost of capital expenditures" such as buying, building and equipping the plant. It also lists overall cost of doing business, workforce availability, quality and cost (though it makes no mention of union workers one way or the other) and a stable regulatory environment. And there's a list of "desired incentives." Among them:

•Site at no cost, or very low cost, to project;

•Facilities at no cost, or significantly reduced cost;

•Infrastructure improvements provided by the location;

•Full support in worker training;

•"Entire applicable tax structure including corporate income tax, franchise tax, property tax, sales/use tax, business license/gross receipts tax and excise taxes to be significantly reduced."

-more-

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20131205/BIZ/712059882

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Corporate welfare at its finest - Boeing to states: What we want for 777X (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2013 OP
"We don't want to pay anything before or afterwards. Deal?" DetlefK Dec 2013 #1
Did someone say "Deal"? Erose999 Dec 2013 #2
"Free Market" my ass Populist_Prole Dec 2013 #3
nice code words: 'stable regulatory environment' spanone Dec 2013 #4
Washington state needs to offer a home to Airbus and tell boeing to stuff it nt msongs Dec 2013 #5
That'd be excellent irony Populist_Prole Dec 2013 #6
Boeing has become like a professional sports franchise... Wounded Bear Dec 2013 #7
"And if you don't give us what we want..." moondust Dec 2013 #8
No one is forcing any locality to offer a proposal. badtoworse Dec 2013 #9
The question is what would those jobs cost? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2013 #11
There is always risk in a business transaction badtoworse Dec 2013 #12
By my rough calculation the state would have to pony up $3 Million per job. pa28 Dec 2013 #10

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
1. "We don't want to pay anything before or afterwards. Deal?"
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 12:38 PM
Dec 2013

"Come on, do you really think we would easily give up that factory in the future and move the jobs? After all, we invested next to nothing in it!"

Erose999

(5,624 posts)
2. Did someone say "Deal"?
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 12:45 PM
Dec 2013


This is exactly the kind of thing our fine Governor in GA would broker. Another one of Nathan's "Shady" Deals.

They built a Caterpillar plant last year. Gave CAT the land, and absolved them of all taxes for something like 25 or 30 years.

Greasy.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
3. "Free Market" my ass
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 02:02 PM
Dec 2013

They want publicly funded working capital, but they keep the profits; And these clowns couldn't be any more obvious about it.

Higher paying jobs in Wa. will be lost, replaced by lower paying ones in Mo. Just you watch.................

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
6. That'd be excellent irony
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 02:43 PM
Dec 2013

As is now, Boeing subs out so much of their subassemby overseas I would be surprised if Airbus A/C have more actual US content.

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
7. Boeing has become like a professional sports franchise...
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 02:49 PM
Dec 2013

Free buildings and mui tax incentives and maybe, maybe we'll grace you with our presence.

Washingtonian here. We (our state) just passed an $8 BILLION tax giveaway to these assholes. What they really want is to be in a right-to-work-for-less state. I like how they threw in that 'full support (read:free) worker training' BS. That's an admission that their last relocation to SC isn't working out like they planned because of poor worker education and skill. Sorry to our SC members, but that's just the way it is.

moondust

(19,993 posts)
8. "And if you don't give us what we want..."
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 03:04 PM
Dec 2013

"we'll find somebody who will!"

And so it goes, pitting one city against another, one state against another, one country against another--until they are fat and happy at everyone else's expense. The road to parasitic neofeudalism.

Extortive manipulation is hard werk!

 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
9. No one is forcing any locality to offer a proposal.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 03:18 PM
Dec 2013

If a community sees no benefit to having Boeing build there, they're no worse off for having not bid. A few thousand good jobs added to the local economy will attract a lot of proposals in my opinion.

In any case, if both parties to a deal aren't happy, there's no deal. I don't see a problem with that.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,036 posts)
11. The question is what would those jobs cost?
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 03:27 PM
Dec 2013

Some states have given companies all sorts of tax breaks and other incentives only to find out it's a zero sum game.

 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
12. There is always risk in a business transaction
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 03:31 PM
Dec 2013

The community leaders need to do a thorough assessment of the costs and benefits of their proposal. They should have a high level of confidence that the deal will be a net benefit to the community. If they don't have that confidence, they should not bid.

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