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G_j

(40,367 posts)
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 12:29 PM Dec 2013

Can we mention Leonard Peltier?

written last summer)

http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/07/03/obama-mandela-and-leonard-peltier/

JULY 03, 2013

Set Him Free!

Obama, Mandela and Leonard Peltier
by HARVEY WASSERMAN

--

Mandela was charged, among other things, with attempting to overthrow a government, which he admitted.

For 37 years, Peltier has consistently denied the charges against him, which arose from a native American resistance action at Wounded Knee, South Dakota.

His bitterly contested 1977 conviction in the killing of two FBI agents came in Fargo. Peltier has since been held under extremely harsh circumstances in a variety of US prisons. He has been denied a wide range of basic rights, been severely beaten, and can’t get much-needed medical care. Now in his late sixties, Leonard’s health has dangerously deteriorated.

As an indigenous activist, Peltier has been deemed a political prisoner by Amnesty International and numerous other human rights organizations.

---

President Obama’s silence on Leonard’s case casts a long shadow over his visit to Robben Island. Amidst his many tributes to Nelson Mandela, Obama seems to have overlooked—we hope temporarily—that Mandela himself has asked that Peltier be given justice.

So have the Dalai Lama, Bishop Desmond Tutu, the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, the Parliaments of Europe, Italy and Belgium, the Kennedy Memorial Center for Human Rights and many more. Before he passed away three years ago, Judge Gerald W. Heaney of the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals reversed his previous opinion and joined those asking that Peltier be freed.

Most who support Peltier want his immediate release. Some ask that at very least he finally be granted a fair trial, with all the evidence made public. If the government insists on continuing to hold him in the interim, they ask he at least be moved near his Anishnabe and Dakota/Lakota people.

Leonard Peltier has been in jail so long he has grandchildren and great-grandchildren he has never seen.

..more..

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Can we mention Leonard Peltier? (Original Post) G_j Dec 2013 OP
k and r niyad Dec 2013 #1
Now, please. raging moderate Dec 2013 #2
One of the main reasons I can't stand Clinton... SomethingFishy Dec 2013 #3
I thought I was the only one that remembered. Wait Wut Dec 2013 #4
When did he promise to pardon him? sharp_stick Dec 2013 #5
Yeah you are right, it was not a "promise to pardon" SomethingFishy Dec 2013 #7
I wish he had of done it n/t sharp_stick Dec 2013 #8
Me too arikara Dec 2013 #42
that they let be known it was being considered G_j Dec 2013 #9
Not only did President Clinton NOT promise to pardon Peltier, the march on 12/15/2000 in front of msanthrope Dec 2013 #18
Peltier was railroaded... SomethingFishy Dec 2013 #20
No--Peltier was not 'railroaded.' He made the fatal mistake of contesting extradition and therefore msanthrope Dec 2013 #22
I refuse to go there G_j Dec 2013 #25
Not FBI talking points---the actual appeal. You might find the most substantive one msanthrope Dec 2013 #26
none of this is relative to an appeal to pardon G_j Dec 2013 #27
He can ask a judge to release him for health reasons. But a presidential pardon is msanthrope Dec 2013 #30
I should have used other wording G_j Dec 2013 #35
What I am arguing is the case currently accepted under law. That doesn't mean msanthrope Dec 2013 #39
Justice for Peltier! Shame on Clinton. n/t UtahLib Dec 2013 #6
k&r 2banon Dec 2013 #10
Free Leonard Peltier. mahannah Dec 2013 #11
Obama do the right thing Terra Alta Dec 2013 #12
+1, nt. Mc Mike Dec 2013 #16
Couldn't do that. That would be looking backward, not forward. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #19
part and parcel heaven05 Dec 2013 #13
No, we can't. malthaussen Dec 2013 #14
Leonard Peltier on the passing of Nelson Mandela douglas9 Dec 2013 #15
+1000 G_j Dec 2013 #17
+1000 RC Dec 2013 #47
Let him go! n/t yellerpup Dec 2013 #21
Amen catbyte Dec 2013 #23
We have Indian Pow Wows here in North Georgia. RebelOne Dec 2013 #24
K&R red dog 1 Dec 2013 #28
+1 I first learned about him from Democracy Now awhile back. KoKo Dec 2013 #34
This is probably the Democracy Now that you remember... countryjake Dec 2013 #40
Good luck with that one! Octafish Dec 2013 #29
He never bothered to change the Cheney JD back into something recognizable. Rex Dec 2013 #32
Absolutely. Ms. Leura Canary continued 5 years as USAAG in Alabama. Octafish Dec 2013 #36
Way past time to do this. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #31
K&R..! KoKo Dec 2013 #33
Longtime Leonard Peltier supporter here. Utopian Leftist Dec 2013 #37
yes, go there… hopemountain Dec 2013 #41
K & R historylovr Dec 2013 #38
I thought of him last night, as I saw all the pundits comments... countryjake Dec 2013 #43
great photo G_j Dec 2013 #46
k&r idwiyo Dec 2013 #44
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch.....nt Enthusiast Dec 2013 #45
kickety countryjake Dec 2013 #48
K&R. nt DLevine Dec 2013 #49

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
4. I thought I was the only one that remembered.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 12:43 PM
Dec 2013

It was Clinton's last chance to redeem himself in my eyes.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
5. When did he promise to pardon him?
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 12:49 PM
Dec 2013

I was very disappointed that he never did issue a pardon but I don't remember him ever promising to do it. There were rumors that he was considering it but I never heard anything more concrete than that.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
7. Yeah you are right, it was not a "promise to pardon"
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 12:55 PM
Dec 2013

It was a "promise to consider"... time has warped my view Doesn't change the fact that he could have and refused to do it.

arikara

(5,562 posts)
42. Me too
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 02:03 AM
Dec 2013

I was so disappointed in Clinton.

I was so disappointed in Canada for extraditing him too when there wasn't the grounds to do so. That poor man, he's lived through hell and back.

G_j

(40,367 posts)
9. that they let be known it was being considered
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 01:00 PM
Dec 2013

something previous presidents had not done. This raised the hopes of the Native American community. It was absolutely heartbreaking to see the sorrow and the hurt felt by the community, and to realize Peltier would likely die on prison.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
18. Not only did President Clinton NOT promise to pardon Peltier, the march on 12/15/2000 in front of
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 02:11 PM
Dec 2013

the White House of several hundred FBI agents pretty much sealed the deal.

Mr. Peltier will die in prison, unless he comes clean about his role in the killings of Agents Williams and Coler.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
20. Peltier was railroaded...
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 02:14 PM
Dec 2013

The evidence against him circumstantial at best... Falsified at worst. Plenty of material out there for anyone who doesn't exactly believe the FBI's story.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
22. No--Peltier was not 'railroaded.' He made the fatal mistake of contesting extradition and therefore
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 02:30 PM
Dec 2013

his trial was severed--he stood an excellent chance of acquittal had he allowed himself to be tried with Robideau and Butler. (Remember, they were acquitted.)

Further, when you claim there was only 'circumstantial' evidence against him, well, so what? Plenty of people have been rightfully convicted on murder charges based only on circumstantial evidence. The fact is, that's not unconstitutional. Ballistics, however, is not generally considered 'circumstantial' evidence.

Peltier's choice to run affected his ability to mount an effective defense. He could have mounted an effective defense, had he chose to participate in the first trial.

G_j

(40,367 posts)
25. I refuse to go there
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 02:48 PM
Dec 2013

your arguments are worn out. Take it up with Amnesty International, the Dalai Lama, Bishop Desmond Tutu, the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, the Parliaments of Europe, Italy and Belgium, the Kennedy Memorial Center for Human Rights, etc.

you can argue FBI talking points all you like.
I'm not biting, I suggest others don't either.

G_j

(40,367 posts)
27. none of this is relative to an appeal to pardon
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 03:07 PM
Dec 2013

a man in poor health, who has been imprisoned for over 37 years.
I'm not here to endlessly argue the case.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
30. He can ask a judge to release him for health reasons. But a presidential pardon is
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 03:13 PM
Dec 2013

something very different. I do not think it would be seriously considered unless and until he came clean about what happened that day.

G_j

(40,367 posts)
35. I should have used other wording
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 03:46 PM
Dec 2013

"talking points" is not really fair. My apologies. That is a loaded phrase.
I just meant to say you seem to be essentially arguing the FBI's case.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
39. What I am arguing is the case currently accepted under law. That doesn't mean
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 10:45 PM
Dec 2013

I agree with it, or that it's correct. The thing is, Peltier has a difficult argument, due to circumstances and his own choices.

malthaussen

(17,204 posts)
14. No, we can't.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 01:37 PM
Dec 2013

We'd rather forget him.

We can enshrine other people's freedom fighters, but our own we confine.

-- Mal

douglas9

(4,358 posts)
15. Leonard Peltier on the passing of Nelson Mandela
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 02:03 PM
Dec 2013

Greeting my relatives, friends, and supporters:

It saddens me to hear that a great man like Nelson Mandela has departed from this lifetime. He was a man who was truly inspirational and showed us the possibilities of how a continued struggle by indigenous people could manifest itself in levels of freedom that have been marred by centuries of oppression.

Our Native people suffered the same types of oppression many times. It is not as overt and as easily distinguished as in some places; however, if you are dead because a policeman shot you, or dead because you could not stand the racial and cultural genocide, so you committed suicide-- you are just as dead either away. Nelson Mandela is known for leading the struggle against apartheid in South Africa. America talked about ending apartheid and put sanctions on South Africa. Not being all that adept at the English language, it is my understanding that (apartheid) means to keep someone apart from something; my people have been kept apart purposely from the sacred Black Hills of South Dakota. There was, and still are, measures that keep us apart from our true history, perpetrated by an education system that limits the truth of our being. Right now, here in America, right now in Canada, right now in South America, there is apartheid that seeks to separate us from our sacred places, our lands, and our resources. Right now in Canada Native people are struggling to protect their aboriginal lands from fracking which destroys the water tables and disturbs the natural balance of the Earth. Right now with an apartheid mentality, they seek to build pipelines across Native lands that have the potential of great ecological destruction. Right now there is an apartheid that seeks to separate us from the protection of the constitution of the United States which says treaty law is the supreme law of the land; which also says you have a right to an unbiased fair trial; which also says you have a right to a jury of your peers. Right now our young Native people are tried as adults THREE times more than other groups and kept apartheid from their families and kept apartheid from competent legal representation.


http://bsnorrell.blogspot.com/2013/12/leonard-peltier-on-passing-of-nelson.html

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
24. We have Indian Pow Wows here in North Georgia.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 02:43 PM
Dec 2013

There is always a booth with a petition to free Leonard Peitier, and I always sign.

red dog 1

(27,820 posts)
28. K&R
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 03:11 PM
Dec 2013

Democracy Now has done many programs on Leonard Peltier.

This one is a 43 minute video from last December:
"Exclusive: Native American Activist Leonard Peltier's Jailhouse Plea For Long Denied Clemency"
http://www.democracynow.org/2012/12/13/exclusive_native_american_activist_leonard_peltiers/

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
34. +1 I first learned about him from Democracy Now awhile back.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 03:25 PM
Dec 2013

The December Video is a good watch for his current situation. Thanks for posting for those who, like me, didn't know who he was.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
40. This is probably the Democracy Now that you remember...
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 01:42 AM
Dec 2013
As Clinton Contemplates Clemency for Leonard Peltier, a Debate Between the FBI and Defense Attorneys
http://www.democracynow.org/2000/12/11/as_clinton_contemplates_clemency_for_leonard

Monday, December 11, 2000

Guests:

•James Burrus, Assistant Special Agent in charge of the FBI’s Minneapolis division.
•John Sennett, President of the FBI Agents Association.
•Jennifer Harbury, attorney for Leonard Peltier.
•Bruce Ellison, Attorney for Leonard Peltier.
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
32. He never bothered to change the Cheney JD back into something recognizable.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 03:15 PM
Dec 2013

Which says a lot imo.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
36. Absolutely. Ms. Leura Canary continued 5 years as USAAG in Alabama.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 03:48 PM
Dec 2013

Which bothers me a lot to this day. Worse still, the warmonger Judge Mark Fuller remains in a robe and on the bench.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022073759

Utopian Leftist

(534 posts)
37. Longtime Leonard Peltier supporter here.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 04:29 PM
Dec 2013

If you want to hear a non-biased account that includes Peltier's side of the story, watch Robert Redford's excellent documentary, "Incident at Oglala."

Also visit the Leonard Peltier Defense Committee website or on Facebook.

And I can't prove it, but President Clinton DID promise to pardon Peltier, before he was elected President. I remember seeing the video of him saying it.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
43. I thought of him last night, as I saw all the pundits comments...
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 03:14 AM
Dec 2013

Mandela knew.


a display of protest on Black Mountain (Belfast, Ireland) for long time activist and Political Prisoner Leonard Peltier


Gael Force Art

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