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big_dog

(4,144 posts)
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:13 PM Dec 2013

Rashida Jones: "2013 Was the Year of the Very Visible Vagina"

The Parks and Recreation star began by pointing out that “stripper poles, G-strings, boobs, and a lot of tongue action were all now normal accessories for mainstream pop stars.” These artists, she reasons, are all trying to convey the same message: “You know you want to have sex with me. Here, take a look at lots of parts of my body.”

Rashida, pointing out she’s not “a prude,” loves sex and “also grew up on a healthy balance of sexuality in pop stars” finds all the in-your-face imagery of today to be “homogenous.” Every pop star, she writes, “interprets ‘sexy’ the same way: lots of skin, lots of licking of teeth, lots of bending over.”

“I find this oddly…boring,” she continues. “Can’t I just like a song without having to take an ultrasound tour of some pop star’s privates?” “I consider myself a feminist. I would never point a finger at a woman for her actual sexual behavior, and I think all women have the right to express their desires,” she writes. “But I will look at women with influence—millionaire women who use their ‘sexiness’ to make money—and ask some questions. There is a difference, a key one, between ‘shaming’ and ‘holding someone accountable.’”

She also points out that "the poles, the pasties [and] the gyrating" aren't "showing female sexuality; this is showing what it looks like when women sell sex." In her opinion, pop culture has "reached a point of oversaturation." http://www.eonline.com/news/488121/rashida-jones-on-miley-cyrus-rihanna-and-nicki-minaj-2013-was-the-year-of-the-very-visible-vagina

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Rashida Jones: "2013 Was the Year of the Very Visible Vagina" (Original Post) big_dog Dec 2013 OP
Nicely stated. JimboBillyBubbaBob Dec 2013 #1
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Lmao that might be the post of the day underpants Dec 2013 #3
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There is an up and coming young girl named Lorde.. SomethingFishy Dec 2013 #13
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Nothing to do with Demographics man... I'm a 50 year old man... SomethingFishy Dec 2013 #16
It's the Wal Mart version of sex. liberalmuse Dec 2013 #5
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For now...but the theatrics eventually get old davidn3600 Dec 2013 #21
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Somewhere, Elvis is wiggling his hips and laughing. stevenleser Dec 2013 #6
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If you think RJ is exaggerating or misapprehending, you haven't been paying attention. WinkyDink Dec 2013 #7
Selena Gomez seems to be the creepiest big_dog Dec 2013 #8
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Ke$ha is fine because it seems that she is in on the joke big_dog Dec 2013 #10
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mostly ex-disney actresses trying to extend their 15 minutes of fame big_dog Dec 2013 #18
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The very lovely Ms. Jones is half right cthulu2016 Dec 2013 #20
I find it sad MadrasT Dec 2013 #22
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underpants

(182,829 posts)
3. Lmao that might be the post of the day
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:21 PM
Dec 2013

Btw-I had to google WarrenHaynes but I did NOT hit images... Just in case

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SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
13. There is an up and coming young girl named Lorde..
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:58 PM
Dec 2013

She reminds me a bit of Natalie. Old soul in a young body, smokey soulful voice, and didn't need to win Idol/X Factor/Voice/Talent/Crappy Karoke Contest, or strip down and twerk or come from Disney to get noticed. Check out her song "Royals" on youtube...

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SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
16. Nothing to do with Demographics man... I'm a 50 year old man...
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:17 PM
Dec 2013

when I heard her I asked my son who she was and was shocked to find out she was so young.. The voice is timeless... and her writing shows an unusual maturity for someone her age...

As a guy who has seen his share of crappy talentless hacks achieve great success, and watched incredible singers carve out a career in bar tending, I rejoice when I find someone I can just put up with let alone enjoy

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
5. It's the Wal Mart version of sex.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:35 PM
Dec 2013

And she's right. Granted, female sexuality has been packaged to sell for centuries, but today's version is bordering on the ridiculous. It's not even sexy unless you are a slobbering ball of testosterone, and I don't think most men are. The women so eager to get ahead by putting their naughty bits out there ought to check out a few Ava Gardner or Lana Turner movies to see how it's really done.

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davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
21. For now...but the theatrics eventually get old
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:50 PM
Dec 2013

The shock value decreases over time. So Miley is peaking right now. Once she starts going downhill, she'll crash unless she finds some other way to maintain a fan base.

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WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
7. If you think RJ is exaggerating or misapprehending, you haven't been paying attention.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:38 PM
Dec 2013

She refers to FEMALE MAINSTREAM POP STARS. Rihanna, Britney, Miley, Ke$ha, Rita Ora, Lana Del Rey, etc.

Male ANYTHING isn't the point. Female NON-CURRENT stars, even of Pop, aren't the focus.

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big_dog

(4,144 posts)
10. Ke$ha is fine because it seems that she is in on the joke
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:57 PM
Dec 2013

Selena Gomez, Demi Lovato etc. im not so sure

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cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
20. The very lovely Ms. Jones is half right
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:49 PM
Dec 2013

The current pop-tart behaviors (which are actually much the same as they were before... hello!) are, indeed, banal and vulgar and commercial and exploitative.

This is in keeping with the staggering insincerity of contemporary pop-culture. It is worse than it was, but similar.

But she is dead wrong on a couple things.

First... ladies, learn what the hell a vagina is. Thanks. It is sad and pathetic when men call things that are not a vagina a vagina. It is downright inexplicable when women do so. Pop stars display almost everything on God's green Earth EXCEPT their vagina.

Clue: Unless you currently call your buttocks your anus you should be able to figure out what a vagina is and is not.

Second, and more substantively...

There is a difference, a key one, between ‘shaming’ and ‘holding someone accountable.’”


Yes. The difference is how embarassed the speaker is to be shaming. Holding someone accountable for how shameful they are by pointing out their shame is shaming.

That formula is always a cover for someone who is embarrassed to say what they really mean. "Nobody supports a woman's right to chose more than me, but..." etc..

If someone wants to shame Rashida Jones for apearing in her undies then they are out of line, even if their shaming is framed as calling for her to be more accountable, to please think of the children, whatever...

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
22. I find it sad
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:58 PM
Dec 2013

that women who make such critiques often still feel obliged to declare they aren't prudes and they enjoy sex. As if a woman's opinion is only of value in proportion to her own sexuality and sexual appetite.

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